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Announcing libruby-ntlm

Jonathan Bastien-Filiatrault

1/31/2006

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This Saturday, I spent some time coding an NTLM authentication module. It
can be found on my blog at
http://x2a.org/2006/01/29/update-on-schools-internet-access-lib...
12 Answers

tsumeruby

1/31/2006 2:11:00 AM

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On Tuesday 31 January 2006 09:00 am, Jonathan Bastien-Filiatrault wrote:
> This Saturday, I spent some time coding an NTLM authentication module. It
> can be found on my blog at
> http://x2a.org/2006/01/29/update-on-schools-internet-access-lib....
>
> I am announcing this here in the hope that somebody else might find this
> useful. I am also wondering if there are any patent concerns over NTLM
> authentication; if somebody could enlighten me, I would appreciate it very
> much.
>
> Also, I have not found any clean way to integrate NTLM authentication in
> Net::HTTP since the way ISA does authentication is pretty
> ugly/non-standard.
>
> Thank you for your time,
> Jonathan

Intresting, I'll test out this library on the win2k3 servers. Intresting this
library would help with some apps which I don't want to create a separate
passwd file each time.

Tsume

Jason Sweat

1/31/2006 2:32:00 AM

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On 1/30/06, Jonathan Bastien-Filiatrault <joe@x2a.org> wrote:
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> This Saturday, I spent some time coding an NTLM authentication module. It
> can be found on my blog at
> http://x2a.org/2006/01/29/update-on-schools-internet-access-lib...

Jonathan Bastien-Filiatrault

1/31/2006 5:49:00 AM

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On Mon, January 30, 2006 21:32, Jason Sweat said:
> On 1/30/06, Jonathan Bastien-Filiatrault <joe@x2a.org> wrote:
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>> This Saturday, I spent some time coding an NTLM authentication module.
>> It
>> can be found on my blog at
>> http://x2a.org/2006/01/29/update-on-schools-internet-access-lib....
>>
>> I am announcing this here in the hope that somebody else might find this
>> useful. I am also wondering if there are any patent concerns over NTLM
>> authentication; if somebody could enlighten me, I would appreciate it
>> very
>> much.
>>
>> Also, I have not found any clean way to integrate NTLM authentication in
>> Net::HTTP since the way ISA does authentication is pretty
>> ugly/non-standard.
>>
>> Thank you for your time,
>> Jonathan
>
> Could this be used with WEBrick to provide a server using NTML
> authentication on Linux?
It only acts as an authentication client for now, I do not plan on making
it an authentication provider, as there are _standard_ authentication
protocols available. If you want to add that functionality, you have some
code in there that may help you and I am willing to accept patches.

Good luck,
Jonathan


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miraclelurker

7/26/2008 3:59:00 AM

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george wrote:
> On Jul 25, 8:40 pm, miraclelurker <miraclelur...@charter.net> wrote:
>> george wrote:
>>> On Jul 25, 8:14 pm, Deborah <debo...@modabelam.com> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:40:43 -0700 (PDT), george
>>>> <georgeculol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Drugs and alcohol are a way of being different than someone is
>>>>> naturally. If they don't like who they are or want to be different,
>>>>> why not change into what they have decided is better?
>>>>> Drugs and alcohol are a way to find change from the outside in,
>>>>> instead of the only place change can actually happen, from the inside
>>>>> out. It's a way of seeking outside for happiness, instead of inside
>>>>> where all happiness is.
>>>> George you've spoken of your experience with cocain and alcohol. LSD
>>>> is another ballgame. Have you ever had clinical LSD?
>>>> Deborah (BC)
>>> Once, the worst night of my life. I have no idea why anyone would ever
>>> want to do that.
>> It can be a sacred substance if approached that way. Like everything
>> else it falls on intent.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I don't believe in sacred substances but substance abuse was by far
> the hardest thing I've ever had to deal with, so I'm REALLY down on
> all mind altering drugs and alcohol. That's what keeps me sober and
> happy and the person I like.

It's not the drugs or alcohol it's the state of mind that abuses. Just
like it's not work but the workaholic. I guess we've found something
you oppose. :)

Gene Ward Smith

7/26/2008 4:00:00 AM

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miraclelurker <miraclelurker@charter.net> rote in news:g6e6bb$npo$1@aioe.org:

> It can be a sacred substance if approached that way.

There aren't any sacred substances. That'd an oxymoron. It's what the Course
calls magic.

--
Change but your mind on what you want to see,
And all the world must change accordingly.

miraclelurker

7/26/2008 4:02:00 AM

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george wrote:
> On Jul 25, 8:51 pm, Deborah <debo...@modabelam.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:19:08 -0700 (PDT), george
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <georgeculol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Jul 25, 8:14 pm, Deborah <debo...@modabelam.com> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:40:43 -0700 (PDT), george
>>>> <georgeculol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Drugs and alcohol are a way of being different than someone is
>>>>> naturally. If they don't like who they are or want to be different,
>>>>> why not change into what they have decided is better?
>>>>> Drugs and alcohol are a way to find change from the outside in,
>>>>> instead of the only place change can actually happen, from the inside
>>>>> out. It's a way of seeking outside for happiness, instead of inside
>>>>> where all happiness is.
>>>> George you've spoken of your experience with cocain and alcohol. LSD
>>>> is another ballgame. Have you ever had clinical LSD?
>>>> Deborah (BC)
>>> Once, the worst night of my life. I have no idea why anyone would ever
>>> want to do that.
>> It's not for everyone. Some people are still in mental institutions
>> because of bad trips. But I was an atheist until my first LSD trip.
>> Never since then. I was observing a sunset on the beach and thinking
>> "This is art", and then thinking "There has to be an artist". I then
>> got introduced to Edgar Cayce, and Books I and II of "Our Search for
>> God", and I've never looked back. I've been on a spiritual path ever
>> since.
>>
>> Deborah (BC)- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> That's awesome how God can use anything!
>
> Do you mind me asking about the 8 years sober? If you do, forget I
> asked. I'm always curious about drug and alcohol stuff since it was so
> tough for me to stop. Why did you go back to alcohol? Didn't you like
> sobriety?

I was in AA for 13 years (sober) myself. I believe AA is right when it
talks about the persons spiritual condition. I have been drinking again
for years now and I have never had any interest in having more than one
drink, occasionally two. I have a very strong spiritual foundation.

miraclelurker

7/26/2008 4:04:00 AM

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Gene wrote:
> miraclelurker <miraclelurker@charter.net> rote in news:g6e6bb$npo$1@aioe.org:
>
>> It can be a sacred substance if approached that way.
>
> There aren't any sacred substances. That'd an oxymoron. It's what the Course
> calls magic.

Actually it's neutral just like everything else.

george

7/26/2008 4:37:00 AM

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On Jul 25, 8:58 pm, miraclelurker <miraclelur...@charter.net> wrote:
> george wrote:
> > On Jul 25, 8:40 pm, miraclelurker <miraclelur...@charter.net> wrote:
> >> george wrote:
> >>> On Jul 25, 8:14 pm, Deborah <debo...@modabelam.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:40:43 -0700 (PDT), george
> >>>> <georgeculol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Drugs and alcohol are a way of being different than someone is
> >>>>> naturally. If they don't like who they are or want to be different,
> >>>>> why not change into what they have decided is better?
> >>>>> Drugs and alcohol are a way to find change from the outside in,
> >>>>> instead of the only place change can actually happen, from the inside
> >>>>> out. It's a way of seeking outside for happiness, instead of inside
> >>>>> where all happiness is.
> >>>> George you've spoken of your experience with cocain and alcohol.  LSD
> >>>> is another ballgame.  Have you ever had clinical LSD?
> >>>> Deborah (BC)
> >>> Once, the worst night of my life. I have no idea why anyone would ever
> >>> want to do that.
> >> It can be a sacred substance if approached that way.  Like everything
> >> else it falls on intent.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > I don't believe in sacred substances but substance abuse was by far
> > the hardest thing I've ever had to deal with, so I'm REALLY down on
> > all mind altering drugs and alcohol. That's what keeps me sober and
> > happy and the person I like.
>
> It's not the drugs or alcohol it's the state of mind that abuses.  Just
> like it's not work but the workaholic.  I guess we've found something
> you oppose. :)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


No I just don't do it. Others can and do what they want. Me oppose?
NEVER I say!

Carrie

7/26/2008 1:20:00 PM

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"Lotus_Bloom" <dwallin@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
news:c40162d2-d8f8-42ff-8f51-582363c327ea@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 25, 2:33 pm, Deborah <debo...@modabelam.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:10:10 -0700 (PDT), Lotus_Bloom
>
>
>
>
>
> <dwal...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> >On Jul 25, 1:55 pm, "gig" <os...@lycos.com> wrote:
> >> "Lotus_Bloom" <dwal...@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:77885e6e-62e3-42ed-863b-e6dd13935a34@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Jul 25, 1:19 pm, Deborah <debo...@modabelam.com> wrote:
>
> >> > On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 04:53:46 -0700 (PDT), Lotus_Bloom
>
> >> > <dwal...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> >> > >On Jul 25, 12:11 am, Deborah <debo...@modabelam.com> wrote:
> >> > >> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 04:04:31 GMT, Gene <g...@chewbacca.org> wrote:
> >> > >> >Lotus_Bloom <dwal...@tx.rr.com> rote in
> >> > >> >news:27264acf-ff38-4c3b-849d-
> >> > >> >8012b3b51...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> > >> >>> I was in the galactic heart of it all during the sixties. I
> >> > >> >>> was
> >> > >> >>> there
> >> > >> >for
> >> > >> >> the
> >> > >> >>> Great Human Be-In and the Summer of Love. What do you think?
>
> >> > >> >> Oh my, do tell of your experience, sounds exciting. :)))
>
> >> > >> >I took psychedelics in two series, the 1966-67 series, starting
> >> > >> >late
> >> > >> >in
> >> > >> >1966 and ending in the fall of 67, and the 1968 series, spring to
> >> > >> >fall
> >> > >> >of
> >> > >> >1968. This is as best as I can remember 40 years later.
>
> >> > >> >The 66-67 series was the ordinary sort of experience-I realized I
> >> > >> >was
> >> > >> >the
> >> > >> >Son of God, and so was everyone else, I experienced so-called
> >> > >> >"ego
> >> > >> >death",
> >> > >> >and then I had a dream warning me off taking any more LSD. When I
> >> > >> >ignored
> >> > >> >it to take my already purchased dose, I had a mildly bad trip,
> >> > >> >where I
> >> > >> >became depressed at how isolated and lonely I was. So I quit.
>
> >> > >> >Right about then, I got into meditating Edgar Cayce style (which
> >> > >> >is
> >> > >> >much
> >> > >> >the same as Course style.} I went through the separation of the
> >> > >> >chown
> >> > >> >chakra from the forehead chakra, and then the opening in
> >> > >> >succession of
> >> > >> >the
> >> > >> >others, travelling downward.
>
> >> > >> >Then, in 1968, I wondered what would happen if I dropped acid and
> >> > >> >meditated. I tried it, and the first few times it was like an
> >> > >> >immense
> >> > >> >weight was on me, some responsibility it seemed I had undertaken
> >> > >> >to
> >> > >> >awaken
> >> > >> >people and uncover knowledge. I would work, and achieve a
> >> > >> >temporary
> >> > >> >sense
> >> > >> >of being the Son of God-and then, of course, come down.
>
> >> > >> >The "height" I got to seemed to gradually increase, the inner
> >> > >> >experience
> >> > >> >got stranger, and the effect on other people more pronounced as I
> >> > >> >went
> >> > >> >on.
> >> > >> >I got used to hearing "I had the strangest dream about you last
> >> > >> >night"
> >> > >> >from
> >> > >> >friends, relatives, and total strangers. But people seemed to
> >> > >> >pick up
> >> > >> >my
> >> > >> >thoughts in other ways than dreams. The oddest case is where I
> >> > >> >was
> >> > >> >doing
> >> > >> >some Edgar Cayce chants, then stopped and did them mentally,
> >> > >> >which
> >> > >> >morphed
> >> > >> >into a contralto voice singing it, to an orchestral
> >> > >> >accompaniment,
> >> > >> >with an
> >> > >> >effect rather like Neptune from Holst's The Planets. A friend
> >> > >> >knocked
> >> > >> >on my
> >> > >> >door, and asked "What was that unearthly music I heard coming
> >> > >> >from
> >> > >> >your
> >> > >> >apartment?" It seems he heard my hallucination standing on the
> >> > >> >sidewalk in
> >> > >> >front of my second-story apartment!
>
> >> > >> >But it's the kind of mind and thought I had then which is hardest
> >> > >> >to
> >> > >> >explain. For one thing, it had a kind of fourth-dimensional
> >> > >> >quality,
> >> > >> >with
> >> > >> >me visualizing extensions and forces headed off in a dimension of
> >> > >> >what
> >> > >> >you
> >> > >> >might call vibrational height.
>
> >> > >> >It all climaxed with a trip using DOM, or STP as we called it
> >> > >> >then.
> >> > >> >Two
> >> > >> >acquaintances came by and insisted I take it with them, and we
> >> > >> >went to
> >> > >> >the
> >> > >> >beach. I became aware of life forces moving in everything around
> >> > >> >me.
> >> > >> >Then I
> >> > >> >took the energy in, and shot up like a rocket. I saw a table made
> >> > >> >of
> >> > >> >threads of light, with a scroll on it, also made of light, with
> >> > >> >letters on
> >> > >> >it spelling what my mind told me were people's true names,
> >> > >> >whatever
> >> > >> >that
> >> > >> >might be. Mine was added on the bottom of the scroll, in glowing
> >> > >> >red
> >> > >> >letters like an LED. More firmly than ever I got that I was the
> >> > >> >Son of
> >> > >> >God.
> >> > >> >I seemed to be told, wordlessly, that I had done what I had
> >> > >> >promised
> >> > >> >to do,
> >> > >> >and thank you, but now it is over and I needed to stop taking
> >> > >> >psychedelics.
>
> >> > >> >The inevitable "I had the strangest dream about you" that time
> >> > >> >came
> >> > >> >from my
> >> > >> >brother-in-law. He saw me lying on a bed (my usual posture for
> >> > >> >meditation,
> >> > >> >though not this time at the beach) and rising out of the sea,
> >> > >> >with a
> >> > >> >bright
> >> > >> >light around me. A great crowd was watching from the shore, and
> >> > >> >one
> >> > >> >called
> >> > >> >out in an awed tone, "It's a miracle!"
>
> >> > >> I really appreciate you sharing this, Gene. I mostly only had a
> >> > >> good
> >> > >> experience with acid, mostly spiritual in nature. It wasn't for me
> >> > >> a
> >> > >> party drug. I wrote a lot of songs on it, though, because it kept
> >> > >> me
> >> > >> up all night. You can't get to sleep.
>
> >> > >> When it had shown me all it had to show me, it just stopped
> >> > >> working.
> >> > >> I didn't even get a buzz anymore. So I had no trouble giving it
> >> > >> up.
>
> >> > >> Deborah (BC)- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> > >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> > >Do you still have the music you wrote?
>
> >> > Sure.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> > - Show quoted text -
> >> > > The reason I asked is because there was such amazing music that
> >> > > came
> >> > > out of the era of LSD. I didn't realize a lot of the meaning until
> >> > > later in life, late bloomer myself. :))
>
> >> Drugs n. 1. Fool's gold.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >How so?
>
> He's right, in a way. Drugs can show you something, but you can't
> keep looking for it with the drugs, or you'll just become an addict.
> You have to find another doorway.
>
> Deborah (BC)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Yeah, that's why I call it an opening. :)) I am not speaking to
addiction or chasing anything.

If a person (or persons overall) don't know what's possible, it makes it
harder, maybe impossible to find it.
Though, it seems like the person known as Jesus did. Just a quirk?

gig

7/26/2008 3:03:00 PM

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"Lotus_Bloom" <dwallin@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
news:c40162d2-d8f8-42ff-8f51-582363c327ea@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 25, 2:33 pm, Deborah <debo...@modabelam.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:10:10 -0700 (PDT), Lotus_Bloom
>
>
>
>
>
> <dwal...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> >On Jul 25, 1:55 pm, "gig" <os...@lycos.com> wrote:
> >> "Lotus_Bloom" <dwal...@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:77885e6e-62e3-42ed-863b-e6dd13935a34@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Jul 25, 1:19 pm, Deborah <debo...@modabelam.com> wrote:
>
> >> > On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 04:53:46 -0700 (PDT), Lotus_Bloom
>
> >> > <dwal...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> >> > >On Jul 25, 12:11 am, Deborah <debo...@modabelam.com> wrote:
> >> > >> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 04:04:31 GMT, Gene <g...@chewbacca.org> wrote:
> >> > >> >Lotus_Bloom <dwal...@tx.rr.com> rote in
> >> > >> >news:27264acf-ff38-4c3b-849d-
> >> > >> >8012b3b51...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> > >> >>> I was in the galactic heart of it all during the sixties. I
> >> > >> >>> was
> >> > >> >>> there
> >> > >> >for
> >> > >> >> the
> >> > >> >>> Great Human Be-In and the Summer of Love. What do you think?
>
> >> > >> >> Oh my, do tell of your experience, sounds exciting. :)))
>
> >> > >> >I took psychedelics in two series, the 1966-67 series, starting
> >> > >> >late
> >> > >> >in
> >> > >> >1966 and ending in the fall of 67, and the 1968 series, spring to
> >> > >> >fall
> >> > >> >of
> >> > >> >1968. This is as best as I can remember 40 years later.
>
> >> > >> >The 66-67 series was the ordinary sort of experience-I realized I
> >> > >> >was
> >> > >> >the
> >> > >> >Son of God, and so was everyone else, I experienced so-called
> >> > >> >"ego
> >> > >> >death",
> >> > >> >and then I had a dream warning me off taking any more LSD. When I
> >> > >> >ignored
> >> > >> >it to take my already purchased dose, I had a mildly bad trip,
> >> > >> >where I
> >> > >> >became depressed at how isolated and lonely I was. So I quit.
>
> >> > >> >Right about then, I got into meditating Edgar Cayce style (which
> >> > >> >is
> >> > >> >much
> >> > >> >the same as Course style.} I went through the separation of the
> >> > >> >chown
> >> > >> >chakra from the forehead chakra, and then the opening in
> >> > >> >succession of
> >> > >> >the
> >> > >> >others, travelling downward.
>
> >> > >> >Then, in 1968, I wondered what would happen if I dropped acid and
> >> > >> >meditated. I tried it, and the first few times it was like an
> >> > >> >immense
> >> > >> >weight was on me, some responsibility it seemed I had undertaken
> >> > >> >to
> >> > >> >awaken
> >> > >> >people and uncover knowledge. I would work, and achieve a
> >> > >> >temporary
> >> > >> >sense
> >> > >> >of being the Son of God-and then, of course, come down.
>
> >> > >> >The "height" I got to seemed to gradually increase, the inner
> >> > >> >experience
> >> > >> >got stranger, and the effect on other people more pronounced as I
> >> > >> >went
> >> > >> >on.
> >> > >> >I got used to hearing "I had the strangest dream about you last
> >> > >> >night"
> >> > >> >from
> >> > >> >friends, relatives, and total strangers. But people seemed to
> >> > >> >pick up
> >> > >> >my
> >> > >> >thoughts in other ways than dreams. The oddest case is where I
> >> > >> >was
> >> > >> >doing
> >> > >> >some Edgar Cayce chants, then stopped and did them mentally,
> >> > >> >which
> >> > >> >morphed
> >> > >> >into a contralto voice singing it, to an orchestral
> >> > >> >accompaniment,
> >> > >> >with an
> >> > >> >effect rather like Neptune from Holst's The Planets. A friend
> >> > >> >knocked
> >> > >> >on my
> >> > >> >door, and asked "What was that unearthly music I heard coming
> >> > >> >from
> >> > >> >your
> >> > >> >apartment?" It seems he heard my hallucination standing on the
> >> > >> >sidewalk in
> >> > >> >front of my second-story apartment!
>
> >> > >> >But it's the kind of mind and thought I had then which is hardest
> >> > >> >to
> >> > >> >explain. For one thing, it had a kind of fourth-dimensional
> >> > >> >quality,
> >> > >> >with
> >> > >> >me visualizing extensions and forces headed off in a dimension of
> >> > >> >what
> >> > >> >you
> >> > >> >might call vibrational height.
>
> >> > >> >It all climaxed with a trip using DOM, or STP as we called it
> >> > >> >then.
> >> > >> >Two
> >> > >> >acquaintances came by and insisted I take it with them, and we
> >> > >> >went to
> >> > >> >the
> >> > >> >beach. I became aware of life forces moving in everything around
> >> > >> >me.
> >> > >> >Then I
> >> > >> >took the energy in, and shot up like a rocket. I saw a table made
> >> > >> >of
> >> > >> >threads of light, with a scroll on it, also made of light, with
> >> > >> >letters on
> >> > >> >it spelling what my mind told me were people's true names,
> >> > >> >whatever
> >> > >> >that
> >> > >> >might be. Mine was added on the bottom of the scroll, in glowing
> >> > >> >red
> >> > >> >letters like an LED. More firmly than ever I got that I was the
> >> > >> >Son of
> >> > >> >God.
> >> > >> >I seemed to be told, wordlessly, that I had done what I had
> >> > >> >promised
> >> > >> >to do,
> >> > >> >and thank you, but now it is over and I needed to stop taking
> >> > >> >psychedelics.
>
> >> > >> >The inevitable "I had the strangest dream about you" that time
> >> > >> >came
> >> > >> >from my
> >> > >> >brother-in-law. He saw me lying on a bed (my usual posture for
> >> > >> >meditation,
> >> > >> >though not this time at the beach) and rising out of the sea,
> >> > >> >with a
> >> > >> >bright
> >> > >> >light around me. A great crowd was watching from the shore, and
> >> > >> >one
> >> > >> >called
> >> > >> >out in an awed tone, "It's a miracle!"
>
> >> > >> I really appreciate you sharing this, Gene. I mostly only had a
> >> > >> good
> >> > >> experience with acid, mostly spiritual in nature. It wasn't for me
> >> > >> a
> >> > >> party drug. I wrote a lot of songs on it, though, because it kept
> >> > >> me
> >> > >> up all night. You can't get to sleep.
>
> >> > >> When it had shown me all it had to show me, it just stopped
> >> > >> working.
> >> > >> I didn't even get a buzz anymore. So I had no trouble giving it
> >> > >> up.
>
> >> > >> Deborah (BC)- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> > >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> > >Do you still have the music you wrote?
>
> >> > Sure.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> > - Show quoted text -
> >> > > The reason I asked is because there was such amazing music that
> >> > > came
> >> > > out of the era of LSD. I didn't realize a lot of the meaning until
> >> > > later in life, late bloomer myself. :))
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> >How so?
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> He's right, in a way. Drugs can show you something, but you can't
> keep looking for it with the drugs, or you'll just become an addict.
> You have to find another doorway.
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> > Yeah, that's why I call it an opening. :)) I am not speaking to
> > addiction or chasing anything.

But a fool (the ego) would think it's gold (the solution to happiness), and
start chasing it. Hence my definition, "fool's gold". :-)