Lotus_Bloom
7/25/2008 8:52:00 PM
On Jul 25, 3:24 pm, george <georgeculol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 25, 1:00 pm, Lotus_Bloom <dwal...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
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> > On Jul 25, 2:40 pm, george <georgeculol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > On Jul 25, 12:33 pm, Deborah <debo...@modabelam.com> wrote:
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> > > > On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:10:10 -0700 (PDT), Lotus_Bloom
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> > > > <dwal...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> > > > >On Jul 25, 1:55 pm, "gig" <os...@lycos.com> wrote:
> > > > >> "Lotus_Bloom" <dwal...@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
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> > > > >>news:77885e6e-62e3-42ed-863b-e6dd13935a34@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> > > > >> On Jul 25, 1:19 pm, Deborah <debo...@modabelam.com> wrote:
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> > > > >> > On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 04:53:46 -0700 (PDT), Lotus_Bloom
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> > > > >> > <dwal...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> > > > >> > >On Jul 25, 12:11 am, Deborah <debo...@modabelam.com> wrote:
> > > > >> > >> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 04:04:31 GMT, Gene <g...@chewbacca.org> wrote:
> > > > >> > >> >Lotus_Bloom <dwal...@tx.rr.com> rote in news:27264acf-ff38-4c3b-849d-
> > > > >> > >> >8012b3b51...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
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> > > > >> > >> >>> I was in the galactic heart of it all during the sixties. I was
> > > > >> > >> >>> there
> > > > >> > >> >for
> > > > >> > >> >> the
> > > > >> > >> >>> Great Human Be-In and the Summer of Love. What do you think?
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> > > > >> > >> >> Oh my, do tell of your experience, sounds exciting. :)))
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> > > > >> > >> >I took psychedelics in two series, the 1966-67 series, starting late
> > > > >> > >> >in
> > > > >> > >> >1966 and ending in the fall of 67, and the 1968 series, spring to fall
> > > > >> > >> >of
> > > > >> > >> >1968. This is as best as I can remember 40 years later.
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> > > > >> > >> >The 66-67 series was the ordinary sort of experience-I realized I was
> > > > >> > >> >the
> > > > >> > >> >Son of God, and so was everyone else, I experienced so-called "ego
> > > > >> > >> >death",
> > > > >> > >> >and then I had a dream warning me off taking any more LSD. When I
> > > > >> > >> >ignored
> > > > >> > >> >it to take my already purchased dose, I had a mildly bad trip, where I
> > > > >> > >> >became depressed at how isolated and lonely I was. So I quit.
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> > > > >> > >> >Right about then, I got into meditating Edgar Cayce style (which is
> > > > >> > >> >much
> > > > >> > >> >the same as Course style.} I went through the separation of the chown
> > > > >> > >> >chakra from the forehead chakra, and then the opening in succession of
> > > > >> > >> >the
> > > > >> > >> >others, travelling downward.
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> > > > >> > >> >Then, in 1968, I wondered what would happen if I dropped acid and
> > > > >> > >> >meditated. I tried it, and the first few times it was like an immense
> > > > >> > >> >weight was on me, some responsibility it seemed I had undertaken to
> > > > >> > >> >awaken
> > > > >> > >> >people and uncover knowledge. I would work, and achieve a temporary
> > > > >> > >> >sense
> > > > >> > >> >of being the Son of God-and then, of course, come down.
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> > > > >> > >> >The "height" I got to seemed to gradually increase, the inner
> > > > >> > >> >experience
> > > > >> > >> >got stranger, and the effect on other people more pronounced as I went
> > > > >> > >> >on.
> > > > >> > >> >I got used to hearing "I had the strangest dream about you last night"
> > > > >> > >> >from
> > > > >> > >> >friends, relatives, and total strangers. But people seemed to pick up
> > > > >> > >> >my
> > > > >> > >> >thoughts in other ways than dreams. The oddest case is where I was
> > > > >> > >> >doing
> > > > >> > >> >some Edgar Cayce chants, then stopped and did them mentally, which
> > > > >> > >> >morphed
> > > > >> > >> >into a contralto voice singing it, to an orchestral accompaniment,
> > > > >> > >> >with an
> > > > >> > >> >effect rather like Neptune from Holst's The Planets. A friend knocked
> > > > >> > >> >on my
> > > > >> > >> >door, and asked "What was that unearthly music I heard coming from
> > > > >> > >> >your
> > > > >> > >> >apartment?" It seems he heard my hallucination standing on the
> > > > >> > >> >sidewalk in
> > > > >> > >> >front of my second-story apartment!
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> > > > >> > >> >But it's the kind of mind and thought I had then which is hardest to
> > > > >> > >> >explain. For one thing, it had a kind of fourth-dimensional quality,
> > > > >> > >> >with
> > > > >> > >> >me visualizing extensions and forces headed off in a dimension of what
> > > > >> > >> >you
> > > > >> > >> >might call vibrational height.
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> > > > >> > >> >It all climaxed with a trip using DOM, or STP as we called it then.
> > > > >> > >> >Two
> > > > >> > >> >acquaintances came by and insisted I take it with them, and we went to
> > > > >> > >> >the
> > > > >> > >> >beach. I became aware of life forces moving in everything around me.
> > > > >> > >> >Then I
> > > > >> > >> >took the energy in, and shot up like a rocket. I saw a table made of
> > > > >> > >> >threads of light, with a scroll on it, also made of light, with
> > > > >> > >> >letters on
> > > > >> > >> >it spelling what my mind told me were people's true names, whatever
> > > > >> > >> >that
> > > > >> > >> >might be. Mine was added on the bottom of the scroll, in glowing red
> > > > >> > >> >letters like an LED. More firmly than ever I got that I was the Son of
> > > > >> > >> >God.
> > > > >> > >> >I seemed to be told, wordlessly, that I had done what I had promised
> > > > >> > >> >to do,
> > > > >> > >> >and thank you, but now it is over and I needed to stop taking
> > > > >> > >> >psychedelics.
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> > > > >> > >> >The inevitable "I had the strangest dream about you" that time came
> > > > >> > >> >from my
> > > > >> > >> >brother-in-law. He saw me lying on a bed (my usual posture for
> > > > >> > >> >meditation,
> > > > >> > >> >though not this time at the beach) and rising out of the sea, with a
> > > > >> > >> >bright
> > > > >> > >> >light around me. A great crowd was watching from the shore, and one
> > > > >> > >> >called
> > > > >> > >> >out in an awed tone, "It's a miracle!"
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> > > > >> > >> I really appreciate you sharing this, Gene. I mostly only had a good
> > > > >> > >> experience with acid, mostly spiritual in nature. It wasn't for me a
> > > > >> > >> party drug. I wrote a lot of songs on it, though, because it kept me
> > > > >> > >> up all night. You can't get to sleep.
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> > > > >> > >> When it had shown me all it had to show me, it just stopped working.
> > > > >> > >> I didn't even get a buzz anymore. So I had no trouble giving it up.
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> > > > >> > >Do you still have the music you wrote?
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> > > > >> > > The reason I asked is because there was such amazing music that came
> > > > >> > > out of the era of LSD. I didn't realize a lot of the meaning until
> > > > >> > > later in life, late bloomer myself. :))
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> > > > >How so?
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> > > > He's right, in a way. Drugs can show you something, but you can't
> > > > keep looking for it with the drugs, or you'll just become an addict.
> > > > You have to find another doorway.
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> > > Drugs and alcohol are a way of being different than someone is
> > > naturally. If they don't like who they are or want to be different,
> > > why not change into what they have decided is better?
> > > Drugs and alcohol are a way to find change from the outside in,
> > > instead of the only place change can actually happen, from the inside
> > > out. It's a way of seeking outside for happiness, instead of inside
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> > I'd say that the times I have experienced them, that it was the
> > opposite, you were more natural, without the hang ups of concepts
> > heaped on. But that is would depend if you are trying to get
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> How can it be more natural if it only came about by taking a substance
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I'm not talking about the substance, but I can see your point and
focus being on the substance. Many tools are used in this world,
books, teachers, meditation, etc. I had a friend that was an addict.
She was afraid to even take a pain pill. One day we were talking
about some medication and she went into the story about the pill. I
looked at her with the strangest expression and she said what? I
said, you mean when you take a pain pill you have all this story and
drama created around it? I told her I just take the pill. I think
the times that I have experienced drugs, it was merely a tool to
reveal what is already present.