Asp Forum - Rails, how do people figure out how to use it?

anne001

1/25/2006 3:13:00 PM

Lately I have been trying various things and I am amazed at what all
the new technology requires from people.

I tried to install a wiki, following what seemed a straight forward
tutorial, and I had to install mysql, search up and down the net to
solve my error problems. Half of it was finding out that you have to
start mysql somehow, before other things work. Luckily I had installed
php for a flash project, so that was not new. I ended up removing
mysql, upgrading php, mysql. Now I can't find the passwords, user names
etc so I can't even use the wiki, if it is still there after
unintalling reinstalling mysql to reset the root password!

Today, I am trying to follow the agile web on rails, which also uses
mysql, and I am back to hunting for ideas on what to do... As far as I
can tell, I followed various fixes for tiger (fix 46, reinstal mysql
gem, old password...) tried to figure out what to put,'root'@'localhost
instead of 'dave'@'localhost', and what about "password:" in .yml,
leave that blank as in the model? Despite my best efforts at
deciphering the advice, terminal hangs on command from page 57
ruby script/generate scaffold Product Admin
I have no idea how to debug this, I just know I am not the only one,
and my difficulty pails compared to some of the post I founds out there
about "deployment" difficulties. I can't make head of tail of the
problem or the fix:
http://groups.google.com/group/rails_archive/browse_frm/thread/ff37b19ffba8e66e/1c0134aff52fb9a5?q=database.yml&rnum=3#1c0134...

Is rails only for web developers and programmers? How much do you need
to know to have a remote chance of trying this program? Just curious

Our programmer uses java to put up pictures on the web in a timed
fashion, and collect responses from subjects over the web. I wanted to
do it with Rails...

anne

10 Answers

dblack

1/25/2006 3:47:00 PM

james_b

1/25/2006 3:47:00 PM

anne001 wrote:
> Lately I have been trying various things and I am amazed at what all
> the new technology requires from people.

Many, if not most, open-source tools and libraries are written by geeks
for geeks. Even when people take the time to write proper documentation
there are often many, many assumptions made about the audience. Most
assume that people are running on some *nix variant, know their way
around the command line, have root access, a C complier, and a working
knowledge of some ancillary technology (SQL, regular expressions, HTML,
etc.)

You best bet for getting going with Rails is to get the Rails book from
Pragmatic Press, and join the Rails dev mailing list

http://list.rubyo...

The Rails community is warm and welcoming to newcomers and will gladly
help you get up to speed.

James Britt

Wilson Bilkovich

1/25/2006 3:54:00 PM

If you think that's hard, get ready for what it takes to get a Java
application server running. Heh. Looking at the thread you linked to,
I'd say your troubles lie in a different place entirely. I'm not a
big MySQL fan personally, but we can still probably get you up and
running.

Could you paste in your database.yml file, from the "config" folder
inside your Rails app?
If you have any passwords entered there, you should change them to
nonsense before sending.

Also, there is a whole mailing list for Rails where you are likely to
get quicker assistance. If you post your reply there, I'd be happy to
continue this discussion without bothering the main Ruby list:
http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/list...

--Wilson.

On 1/25/06, anne001 <anne@wjh.harvard.edu> wrote:
> Lately I have been trying various things and I am amazed at what all
> the new technology requires from people.
>
> I tried to install a wiki, following what seemed a straight forward
> tutorial, and I had to install mysql, search up and down the net to
> solve my error problems. Half of it was finding out that you have to
> start mysql somehow, before other things work. Luckily I had installed
> php for a flash project, so that was not new. I ended up removing
> mysql, upgrading php, mysql. Now I can't find the passwords, user names
> etc so I can't even use the wiki, if it is still there after
> unintalling reinstalling mysql to reset the root password!
>
> Today, I am trying to follow the agile web on rails, which also uses
> mysql, and I am back to hunting for ideas on what to do... As far as I
> can tell, I followed various fixes for tiger (fix 46, reinstal mysql
> gem, old password...) tried to figure out what to put,'root'@'localhost
> instead of 'dave'@'localhost', and what about "password:" in .yml,
> leave that blank as in the model? Despite my best efforts at
> deciphering the advice, terminal hangs on command from page 57
> ruby script/generate scaffold Product Admin
> I have no idea how to debug this, I just know I am not the only one,
> and my difficulty pails compared to some of the post I founds out there
> about "deployment" difficulties. I can't make head of tail of the
> problem or the fix:
> http://groups.google.com/group/rails_archive/browse_frm/thread/ff37b19ffba8e66e/1c0134aff52fb9a5?q=database.yml&rnum=3#1c0134...
>
> Is rails only for web developers and programmers? How much do you need
> to know to have a remote chance of trying this program? Just curious
>
> Our programmer uses java to put up pictures on the web in a timed
> fashion, and collect responses from subjects over the web. I wanted to
> do it with Rails...
>
> anne
>
>
>

anne001

1/26/2006 1:20:00 AM

Thank you for your responses. To fix my problems with too much
technology, dbl suggest I use more! I have no idea what IRC is, but I
suspect that is another install etc... I will pass! But I will try to
hang on with the install thing. Worse comes to worse I will try
locomotive which is supposed to
be all in one.

So I asked for help on the rubyonrails as Wilson and James suggested,
which for some reason does not appear on the google archive? why is
that. But it is on the regular list archive.

thanks

anne

Gene Tani

1/26/2006 5:52:00 AM

anne001 wrote:
> Thank you for your responses. To fix my problems with too much
> technology, dbl suggest I use more! I have no idea what IRC is, but I
> suspect that is another install etc... I will pass! But I will try to
> hang on with the install thing. Worse comes to worse I will try
> locomotive which is supposed to
> be all in one.
>
> So I asked for help on the rubyonrails as Wilson and James suggested,
> which for some reason does not appear on the google archive? why is
> that. But it is on the regular list archive.
>
> thanks
>
> anne

I think this person had similar experience:

http://www.downes.ca/cgi-bin/page.cgi?post=31620&f...

anne001

1/26/2006 12:57:00 PM

Thank you, in the end, the rails list is really busy! I followed the
instructions on Gene's link on how to install on Tiger.
starting in comment October 24, 2005
These instructions work on OSX, most linux distros and FreeBSD ...

I skipped the reinstallation of ruby since it works and I run the fix
#46.
It is soothing to run a bunch of things and see things happening even
if you don't know what. I stopped at the compile php part, because I
installed php5 from a package, and don't remember how to compile a
binary of it, and don't know if I need to compile some mysql option
too...

So I don't know if it is all this install magic, or if it is rebooting
the computer, but this time the script/generate ran all the way.

thank you

mathew

1/26/2006 7:17:00 PM

anne001 wrote:
> Is rails only for web developers and programmers?

Yes. It's a programming kit to enable you to develop web applications.
It's not something ordinary people should be going anywhere near.

If you want to use a particular end user application that happens to use
rails, the right approach is probably to find somewhere that offers it
as a hosted application--i.e. have a web system administrator set up all
the servers and other software needed.

e.g, if you want to use a Rails-based CMS, you can get Typo hosted for
about $3 a month, all set up for you and ready to use.

> Our programmer uses java to put up pictures on the web in a timed
> fashion, and collect responses from subjects over the web. I wanted to
> do it with Rails...

Well, think of Rails as a LEGO Mindstorms set. It has a lot of cool
components available to make it easier to build a robot... but it's not
a robot. At the very minimum, you're going to have to read through
instruction books and follow many steps to assemble a robot. And if you
make a mistake, you might need an understanding of electrical circuits
or mechanics to work out why it keeps falling over, and you'll need to
program it. So if you're not a programmer or builder of LEGO models,
you'd be better off getting someone else to do that for you, or buying a
RoboSapien.

mathew
--
<URL:http://www.pobox.com/...
My parents went to the lost kingdom of Hyrule
and all I got was this lousy triforce.

anne001

1/26/2006 8:25:00 PM

>> Our programmer uses java to put up pictures on the web in a timed
>> fashion, and collect responses from subjects over the web. I wanted to
>> do it with Rails...

>Well, think of Rails as a LEGO Mindstorms set. It has a lot of cool
>components available to make it easier to build a robot...
>So if you're not a programmer or builder of LEGO models,
>you'd be better off getting someone else to do that for you, or buying a
>RoboSapien.

I don't agree that ordinary people (C programming engineers like me)
should just hire people.
That's precisely why I want to find a solution I can work with. I don't
like to depend on an undergrad, just because he knows Java and I don't.
I don't want to learn Java, but I like Ruby,
so I think a ruby based application is the way to go, but maybe I need
to find some other
library rather then the rail framework.

baldeagle

4/8/2011 2:43:00 AM

On Apr 8, 9:46 am, rst0wxyz <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 7, 6:38 pm, baldeagle <force....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The pump price is over US$3 a gallon now...soon it will be US$4 or
>
> It's over $4.00/gal already.

If you are in LA it is already $4.13.
4 of the 51 states have pump prices over $4.00

In Arizona it is still $3.58

Motorists in the USA will have to pay whatever prices
charged by the oil companies. You can do nothing..
absolutely NOTHING about the sky high pump prices.

In China....the oil companies have NO such hold...
they cannot stop electric cars from becoming a reality.

http://gasbuddy.com/GB_Price_List.aspx...

asdf asdf

4/8/2011 5:25:00 AM

On Apr 8, 10:43 am, baldeagle <force....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 8, 9:46 am, rst0wxyz <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 7, 6:38 pm, baldeagle <force....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > The pump price is over US$3 a gallon now...soon it will be US$4 or
>
> > It's over $4.00/gal already.
>
> If you are in LA it is already $4.13.
> 4 of the 51 states have pump prices over $4.00
>
> In Arizona it is still $3.58
>
> Motorists in the USA will have to pay whatever prices
> charged by the oil companies. You can do nothing..
> absolutely NOTHING about the sky high pump prices.
>
> In China....the oil companies have NO such hold...
> they cannot stop electric cars from becoming a reality.
>
> http://gasbuddy.com/GB_Price_List.aspx...

They also have to pay for war in Afghan, Iraq, Libya and all the
conflicts in ME.

comp.lang.ruby

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