Asp Forum - Re: Hierarchy question (was: Inserting

James Hughes

1/19/2006 6:10:00 PM

On 1/19/06, Matthew Moss <matthew.moss.coder@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is it something like this you want?
Yes, I think it is. Thanks Matthew.

jh

>
> # initial definitions
> class A < Foo::Bar
> # ...
> end
>
> class B < Foo::Bar
> # ...
> end
>
> module ExtraMethods
> # ...
> end
>
> # extend initial definitions
> class A
> include ExtraMethods
> end
>
> class B
> include ExtraMethods
> end
>
>

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James Hughes
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12 Answers

fasgnadh

1/17/2010 3:44:00 AM

Virgil claims Lenin's atheism is a religion! GAME OVER FOR ATHEISTS! :-)
> fasgnadh wrote:
>> Budikka666 wrote:
>>> fasgnadh wrote:
>>>> Davej wrote:
>>>>> fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>>> Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I flipped thru one of the later Left Behind books at work,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These are the best selling print books in the US, and bought by an
>>>>>>> audience that doesn't normally read books. And whose vote affects the
>>>>>>> rest of us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh wow, atheism, which was responsible for over 70,000,000 REAL
>>>>>> deaths in the USSR, Mao's China, and the other atheist states,
>>>>>> is wetting itself over A WORK OF FICTION!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAAAAA
>>>
>> >
>> > But guess what,
>>
>> Unlike you atheist liars I don't GUESS or simply make shit up
>> with no proof.
>>
>> > Stalin didn't kill 70 million
>>
>> I never claimed he did, you moronic illiterate! That figure is the
>> TOTAL for the atheist states under the atheist tyrants; Lenin, Mao,
>> Stalin Pol Pot
>>
>> Learn to read, instead of your gutless SNIPPING OF THE TRUTH!
>>
>> I put it back just to show what a completely DISHONEST COWARD you are!
>>
>> Lets repeat it so people can see the depths of deceit you sink to:
>>
>> "Oh wow, atheism, which was responsible for over 70,000,000 REAL
>> deaths in the USSR, Mao's China, and the other atheist states,
>> is wetting itself over A WORK OF FICTION! B^]
>>
>> 70,000,000 REAL deaths, recorded and evaluated by peer-reviewed
>> historians, in THE USSR, MAOIST CHINA and OTHER atheist states!!!!
>
> Those states were RELIGIOUS states, loudly professing the RELIGION of
> Marxism, the STATE in each case being the object of worship.

Once again for the slow-witted atheists, who have given the game away:

"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

# http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism...
#
# "State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
# by a government, typically by active suppression of
# religious freedom and practice."
# - "Protest for Religious Rights in the USSR:
# Characteristics and Consequences,
# David Kowalewski,
# Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,

> Which is much like other religions once they get in power.

### Now, if the atheists are claiming that ATHEISM ###
### is a RELIGION, then it is GAME OVER for atheism ###
### for that would define Religion as including the ###
### NON-belief in God and anti Theism! B^D ###

But nobody accepts the Great Atheist Lie that atheist states
were religions, they were TOTALITARIAN ATHEIST IDEOLOGIES! B^]

The atheist tyrants were feared and slavishly followed by hordes
of atheist sheep, but they were GODLESS ATHEISTS, not theists! B^]

"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"You know, they are fooling us, there is no God...
all this talk about God is sheer nonsense"
- Stalin
E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin,
Foreign Languages Publishing House, Moscow 1940

But it was not just the Atheism of the leadership,
but of the entire State apparatus;

The Atheist leadership's policies were implemented under
the Red Terror, via gulags and executions, the use of
every arm of the state for anti-religious propaganda
and the forced indoctrination of CHILDREN! B^[

> Lenin's Red Terror, THEIST RELIGION IN ACTION!!!

Atheists have now become ABSURD and RIDICULOUS! B^]

They call the most successful atheist regimes in history,
(the ONLY ones) religious! Atheism NO LONGER EXISTS as
a rational, coherent concept with any MEANING! B^D

My triumph over them is COMPLETE!!!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAAA

"the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
- Daniel Peris,
"Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853

"Criticism of atheism was strictly forbidden"

"Between 1917 and 1940, 130,000 Orthodox priests were arrested.
In 1918, the Cheka under Felix Dzerzhinsky executed over
3000 Orthodox clergymen of all ranks.
Some were drowned in ice-holes or poured over with cold water
in winter until they turned to ice-pillars.
- John Shelton Curtis, The Russian Church and the Soviet State
(Boston: Little Brown, 1953)

>> I have given you the data before but as you are such a pathetic,
>> lying atheist shitpig, I will rub you shit covered nose in it again;
>>
>> http://data5.blog.de/media/481/2584481_bdc195f...
>>
>> Pull your head OUT of your arse and pay attention, yo brainless atheist
>> cretin;
>>
>> Start with the atheist Pol Pot's genocide;
>>
>> # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism...
>> #
>> # "State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
>> # by a government, typically by active suppression of
>> # religious freedom and practice."
>> # - "Protest for Religious Rights in the USSR:
>> # Characteristics and Consequences,
>> # David Kowalewski,
>> # Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
>> #
>> #
>> # "An atheist, Pol Pot suppressed Cambodia?s Buddhist religion:
>> # monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
>> # Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
>> # other religious sentiments were often killed.
>> # ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
>> # and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
>> # and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
>> # starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
>> # prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
>> # instead of the family.
>> #
>> # About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
>> # were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot?s regime."
>> # - http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/po...
>> #
>> # The Cambodian Genocide:
>> http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392mi...
>>
>>
>> #
>> # "The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
>> # regarded by the regime as social parasites,
>> # were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
>> # Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
>> # destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
>> # Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
>> # rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
>> # or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
>> # were often killed.
>> #
>> # The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
>> # persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
>> # Phnom Penh was completely razed.
>> #
>> # The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
>> # regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
>> # Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
>> # - http://countrystudies.us/cambo...
>> #
>> # "Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
>> # because of their religion."
>> #
>> http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/44cam...
>>
>> #
>> #
>> # "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
>> # - Daniel Peris,
>> # "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
>> # Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
>> #
>> #
>> # "State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
>> # countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
>> # Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
>> # Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
>> # promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
>> # - Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
>> # Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
>> #
>> # In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
>> # intrinsic part of communist ideology.
>>
>>
>> Then we come to the BIG numbers from the the wholesale slaughter by the
>> atheist regimes in the USSR and Maoist China;
>>
>>
>> First, Lenin's Red Terror, Atheism in praxis;
>>
>> # Russian Civil War (1917-22): 9 000 000 [make link]
>>
>> * Eckhardt: 500,000 civ. + 300,000 mil. = 800,000
>> * Readers Companion to Military History, Cowley and Parker, eds.
>> (1996)
>> [http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/mil/html/mh_045400_russia...]:
>>
>> o Combat deaths: 825,000
>> o Ancillary deaths: 2,000,000
>> o TOTAL: 2,825,000
>> * Davies, Norman (Europe A History, 1998)
>> o Civil War and Volga Famine (1918-22): 3,000,000 to 5,000,000
>> * Brzezinski, Z:
>> o 6 to 8 million people died under Lenin from war, famine etc.
>> * Mastering Twentieth Century Russian History by Norman Lowe (2002)
>> o TOTAL: 7,000,000 to 10,000,000
>> o Red Army
>> + Battle: 632,000
>> + Disease: 581,000
>> o Whites: 1,290,000 battle + disease
>> o White Terror: "tens of thousands"
>> o Red Terror
>> + Executed: 50-200,000
>> + Died in prison or killed in revolts: 400,000
>> o Typhoid + typhus
>> + 1919: 890,000
>> + 1920: >1M
>> * Urlanis:
>> o Military deaths: 800,000
>> + Battle deaths, all sides: 300,000
>> + Dead of wounds: 50,000
>> + Disease: 450,000
>> o Civilians: 8,000,000
>> o TOTAL: 8,800,000
>> * Dyadkin, I.G. (cited in Adler, N., Victims of Soviet Terror, 1993)
>> o 9 million unnatural deaths from terror, famine and disease,
>> 1918-23
>> * Richard Pipes, A concise history of the Russian Revolution (1995):
>> 9 million deaths, 1917-1922
>> o Famine: 5M
>> o Combat: 2M
>> + Reds: 1M
>> + Whites: 127,000
>> o Epidemics: 2M
>> o not incl.
>> + Emigration: 2M
>> + Birth deficit: 14M
>> * Rummel:
>> o Civil War (1917-22)
>> + War: 1,410,000 (includes 500,000 civilian)
>> + Famine: 5,000,000 (50% democidal)
>> + Other democide: 784,000
>> + Epidemics: 2,300,000
>> + Total: 9,494,000
>> o Lenin's Regime (1917-24)
>> + Rummel blames Lenin for a lifetime total of 4,017,000
>> democides.
>> * Figes, Orlando (A People's Tragedy: A History of the Russian
>> Revolution, 1997)
>> o 10 million deaths from war, terror, famine and disease.
>> + Including...
>> # Famine (1921-22): 5 million
>> # Killed in fighting, both military and civilian: 1M
>> # Jews killed in pogroms: 150,000
>> + Not including...
>> # Demographic effects of a hugely reduced
>> birth-rate: 10M
>> # Emmigration: 2M
>> * McEvedy, Colin (Atlas of World Population History, 1978)
>> o War deaths: 2M
>> o Other excess deaths: 14M
>> o Reduced births: 10M
>> o Emmigration: 2M
>> * MEDIAN: Of these ten estimates that claim to be complete, the
>> median is 8.8M-9.0M.
>> * PARTIALS:
>> o Small & Singer (battle deaths, 1917-21)
>> + Russian Civil War (Dec.1917-Oct.1920)
>> # Russians: 500,000
>> # Allied Intervention:
>> * Japan: 1,500
>> * UK: 350
>> * USA: 275
>> * France: 50
>> * Finland: 50
>> + Russian Nationalities War (Dec.1917-Mar.1921)
>> # USSR: 50,000
>> o Bruce Lincoln, Red Victory: a History of the Russian Civil
>> War 1918-1921
>> + Death sentences by the Cheka: ca. 100,000
>> + Pogroms: as many as one in 13 Jews k. out of 1.5M in
>> Ukraine [i.e. ca. 115,000] (citing Heifetz)
>> o Nevins, citing Heifetz and the Red Cross: 120,000 Jews
>> killed in 1919 pogroms [http://www.west.net/~jazz/felshtin/red...]
>> o Richard Overy, Russia's War (1997): Cheka responsible for
>> maybe 250,000+ violent deaths.
>> o Paul Johnson
>> + 50,000 death sentences imposed by the Cheka by 12/20
>> + 100,000 Jews killed in 1919
>> o Green, Barbara (in Rosenbaum, Is the Holocaust Unique?)
>> + 4 to 5 million deaths in the famine of 1921-23
>> o Max Boot, The Savage Wars of Peace
>> + North Russia: 244 USAns d. incl. 144 k.battle
>> + Siberia: 160 USAns KIA + 168 other d.
>> + [US Total: 304 KIA + 268 other = 572 d.]
>> + Czech Legion: 13,000 dead.
>>
>> # Soviet Union, Stalin's regime (1924-53): 20 000 000 [make link]
>>
>> * There are basically two schools of thought when it comes to the
>> number who died at Stalin's hands. There's the "Why doesn't anyone
>> realize that communism is the absolutely worst thing ever to hit the
>> human race, without exception, even worse than both world wars, the
>> slave trade and bubonic plague all put together?" school, and there's
>> the "Come on, stop exaggerating. The truth is horrifying enough without
>> you pulling numbers out of thin air" school. The two schools are
>> generally associated with the right and left wings of the political
>> spectrum, and they often accuse each other of being blinded by
>> prejudice, stubbornly refusing to admit the truth, and maybe even having
>> a hidden agenda. Also, both sides claim that recent access to former
>> Soviet archives has proven that their side is right.
>> * Here are a few illustrative estimates from the Big Numbers school:
>> o Adler, N., Victims of Soviet Terror, 1993 cites these:
>> + Chistyakovoy, V. (Neva, no.10): 20 million killed
>> during the 1930s.
>> + Dyadkin, I.G. (Demograficheskaya statistika
>> neyestestvennoy smertnosti v SSSR 1918-1956 ): 56 to 62 million
>> "unnatural deaths" for the USSR overall, with 34 to 49 million under
>> Stalin.
>> + Gold, John.: 50-60 million.
>> o Davies, Norman (Europe A History, 1998): c. 50 million
>> killed 1924-53, excluding WW2 war losses. This would divide (more or
>> less) into 33M pre-war and 17M after 1939.
>> o Rummel, 1990: 61,911,000 democides in the USSR 1917-87, of
>> which 51,755,000 occurred during the Stalin years. This divides up into:
>> + 1923-29: 2,200,000 (plus 1M non-democidal famine deaths)
>> + 1929-39: 15,785,000 (plus 2M non-democidal famine)
>> + 1939-45: 18,157,000
>> + 1946-54: 15,613,000 (plus 333,000 non-democidal famine)
>> + TOTAL: 51,755,000 democides and 3,333,000 non-demo.
>> famine
>> o William Cockerham, Health and Social Change in Russia and
>> Eastern Europe: 50M+
>> o Wallechinsky: 13M (1930-32) + 7M (1934-38)
>> + Cited by Wallechinsky:
>> # Medvedev, Roy (Let History Judge): 40 million.
>> # Solzhenitsyn, Aleksandr: 60 million.
>> o MEDIAN: 51 million for the entire Stalin Era; 20M during the
>> 1930s.
>> * And from the Lower Numbers school:
>> o Nove, Alec ("Victims of Stalinism: How Many?" in J. Arch
>> Getty (ed.) Stalinist Terror: New Perspectives, 1993): 9,500,000
>> "surplus deaths" during the 1930s.
>> o Cited in Nove:
>> + Maksudov, S. (Poteri naseleniya SSSR, 1989): 9.8
>> million abnormal deaths between 1926 and 1937.
>> + Tsaplin, V.V. ("Statistika zherty naseleniya v 30e
>> gody" 1989): 6,600,000 deaths (hunger, camps and prisons) between the
>> 1926 and 1937 censuses.
>> + Dugin, A. ("Stalinizm: legendy i fakty" 1989): 642,980
>> counterrevolutionaries shot 1921-53.
>> + Muskovsky Novosti (4 March 1990): 786,098 state
>> prisoners shot, 1931-53.
>> o Gordon, A. (What Happened in That Time?, 1989, cited in
>> Adler, N., Victims of Soviet Terror, 1993): 8-9 million during the 1930s.
>> o Ponton, G. (The Soviet Era, 1994): cites an 1990 article by
>> Milne, et al., that excess deaths 1926-39 were likely 3.5 million and at
>> most 8 million.
>> o MEDIAN: 8.5 Million during the 1930s.
>> * As you can see, there's no easy compromise between the two
>> schools. The Big Numbers are so high that picking the midpoint between
>> the two schools would still give us a Big Number. It may appear to be a
>> rather pointless argument -- whether it's fifteen or fifty million, it's
>> still a huge number of killings -- but keep in mind that the population
>> of the Soviet Union was 164 million in 1937, so the upper estimates
>> accuse Stalin of killing nearly 1 out of every 3 of his people, an
>> extremely Polpotian level of savagery. The lower numbers, on the other
>> hand, leave Stalin with plenty of people still alive to fight off the
>> German invasion.
>> * [Letter]
>> * Although it's too early to be taking sides with absolute
>> certainty, a consensus seems to be forming around a death toll of 20
>> million. This would adequately account for all documented nastiness
>> without straining credulity:
>> o In The Great Terror (1969), Robert Conquest suggested that
>> the overall death toll was 20 million at minimum -- and very likely 50%
>> higher, or 30 million. This would divide roughly as follows: 7M in
>> 1930-36; 3M in 1937-38; 10M in 1939-53. By the time he wrote The Great
>> Terror: A Re-assessment (1992), Conquest was much more confident that 20
>> million was the likeliest death toll.
>> o Britannica, "Stalinism": 20M died in camps, of famine,
>> executions, etc., citing Medvedev
>> o Brzezinski: 20-25 million, dividing roughly as follows: 7M
>> destroying the peasantry; 12M in labor camps; 1M excuted during and
>> after WW2.
>> o Daniel Chirot:
>> + "Lowest credible" estimate: 20M
>> + "Highest": 40M
>> + Citing:
>> # Conquest: 20M
>> # Antonov-Ovseyenko: 30M
>> # Medvedev: 40M
>> o Courtois, Stephane, Black Book of Communism (Le Livre Noir
>> du Communism): 20M for the whole history of Soviet Union, 1917-91.
>> + Essay by Nicolas Werth: 15M
>> + [Ironic observation: The Black Book of Communism seems
>> to vote for Hitler as the answer to the question of who's worse, Hitler
>> (25M) or Stalin (20M).]
>> o John Heidenrich, How to Prevent Genocide: A Guide for
>> Policymakers, Scholars, and the Concerned Citizen (2001): 20M, incl.
>> + Kulaks: 7M
>> + Gulag: 12M
>> + Purge: 1.2M (minus 50,000 survivors)
>> o Adam Hochschild, The Unquiet Ghost: Russians Remember
>> Stalin: directly responsible for 20 million deaths.
>> o Tina Rosenberg, The Haunted Land: Facing Europes Ghosts
>> After Communism (1995): upwards of 25M
>> o Time Magazine (13 April 1998): 15-20 million.
>> * AVERAGE: Of the 17 estimates of the total number of victims of
>> Stalin, the median is 30 million.
>> * Individual Gulags etc.
>> o Kolyma
>> o Kuropaty
>> o Vorkuta
>> o Bykivnia
>> * Famine, 1926-38
>> o Richard Overy, Russia's War (1997): 4.2M in Ukraine + 1.7M
>> in Kazakhstan
>> o Green, Barbara ("Stalinist Terror and the Question of
>> Genocide: the Great Famine" in Rosenbaum, Is the Holocaust Unique?)
>> cites these sources for the number who died in the famine:
>> + Nove: 3.1-3.2M in Ukraine, 1933
>> + Maksudov: 4.4M in Ukraine, 1927-38
>> + Mace: 5-7M in Ukraine
>> + Osokin: 3.35M in USSR, 1933
>> + Wheatcraft: 4-5M in USSR, 1932-33
>> + Conquest:
>> # Total, USSR, 1926-37: 11M
>> # 1932-33: 7M
>> # Ukraine: 5M
>>
>> ######################################################################
>> # Next, just to show it's a CONSISTENT PATTERN in EVERY ATHEIST REGIME,
>> #
>> # Mao's Cultural Devolution and Great Leap Backward!
>> #
>> ######################################################################
>>
>>
>> # People's Republic of China, Mao Zedong's regime (1949-1975):
>>
>> 40 000 000
>>
>> * Agence France Press (25 Sept. 1999) citing at length from
>> Courtois, Stephane, Le Livre Noir du Communism:
>> o Rural purges, 1946-49: 2-5M deaths
>> o Urban purges, 1950-57: 1M
>> o Great Leap Forward: 20-43M
>> o Cultural Revolution: 2-7M
>> o Labor Camps: 20M
>> o Tibet: 0.6-1.2M
>> o TOTAL: 44.5 to 72M
>> * Jasper Becker, Hungry Ghosts : Mao's Secret Famine (1996)
>> o Estimates of the death toll from the Great Leap Forward,
>>
>> 1959-61:
>>
>> + Judith Banister, China's Changing Population (1984):
>> 30M excess deaths (acc2 Becker: "the most reliable estimate we have")
>>
>> + Wang Weizhi, Contemporary Chinese Population (1988):
>> 19.5M deaths
>>
>> + Jin Hui (1993): 40M population loss due to "abnormal
>> deaths and reduced births"
>>
>> + Chen Yizi of the System Reform Inst.: 43-46M deaths
>>
>> * Brzezinski:
>> o Forcible collectivization: 27 million peasants
>> o Cultural Revolution: 1-2 million
>> o TOTAL: 29 million deaths under Mao
>> * Daniel Chirot:
>> o Land reform, 1949-56
>> + According to Zhou Enlai: 830,000
>> + According to Mao Zedong: 2-3M
>> o Great Leap Forward: 20-40 million deaths.
>> o Cultural Revolution: 1-20 million
>> * Jung Chang, Mao: the Unknown Story (2005)
>> o Suppression of Counterrevolutionaries, 1950-51:
>> 3M by execution, mob or suicide
>> o Three-Anti Campaign, 1952-53: 200,000-300,000 suicides
>> o Great Leap Forward, 1958-61: 38M of starvation and overwork
>> o Cultural Revolution, 1966-76: > 3M died violent deaths
>> o Laogai camp deaths, 1949-76: 27M
>> o TOTAL under Mao: 70M
>> * Dictionary of 20C World History: around a half million
>> died in Cultural Rev.
>> * Eckhardt:
>> o Govt executes landlords (1950-51): 1,000,000
>> o Cultural Revolution (1967-68): 50,000
>> * Gilbert:
>> o 1958-61 Famine: 30 million deaths.
>> * Kurt Glaser and Stephan Possony, Victims of Politics (1979):
>> o They estimate the body count under Mao to be 38,000,000
>> to 67,000,000.
>> o Cited by G & P:
>> + Walker Report (see below): 44.3M to 63.8M deaths.
>> + The Government Information Office of Taiwan (18 Sept.
>> 1970): 37M deaths in the PRC.
>> + A Radio Moscow report (7 Apr. 1969): 26.4M people had
>> been exterminated in China.
>> + (NOTE: Obviously the Soviets and Taiwanese would, as
>> enemies, be strongly motivated to exaggerate.)
>> * Guinness Book of World Records:
>> o Although nowadays they don't come right out and declare Mao
>> to be the Top Dog in the Mass Killings category, earlier
>> editions (such as 1978) did, and they cited sources which
>> are similar, but not identical, to the Glaser & Possony sources:
>> + On 7 Apr. 1969 the Soviet government radio reported
>> that 26,300,000 people were killed in China, 1949-65.
>> + In April 1971 the cabinet of the government of Taiwan
>> reported 39,940,000 deaths for the years 1949-69.
>> + The Walker Report (see below): between 32,2500,000
>> and 61,700,000.
>> * Harff and Gurr:
>> o KMT cadre, rich peasants, landlords (1950-51):
>> 800,000-3,000,000
>> o Cultural Revolution (1966-75): 400,000-850,000
>> * John Heidenrich, How to Prevent Genocide: A Guide for
>> Policymakers, Scholars, and the Concerned Citizen:
>> 27M death toll, incl. 2M in Cultural Revolution
>> * Paul Johnson doesn't give an overall total, but he gives
>> estimates for the principle individual mass dyings of the Mao years:
>> o Land reform, first years of PRC: at least 2 million people
>> perished.
>> o Great Leap Forward: "how many millions died ...
>> is a matter of conjecture."
>> o Cultural Revolution: 400,000, calling the 3 Feb. 1979
>> estimate by Agence France Presse, "The most widely respected figure".
>> * Meisner, Maurice, Mao's China and After (1977, 1999), doesn't
>> give an overall total either, but he does give estimates for the three
>> principle mass dyings of the Mao years:
>> o Terror against the counterrevolutionaries: 2 million people
>> executed during the first three years of the PRC.
>> o Great Leap Forward: 15-30 million famine-related deaths.
>> o Cultural Revolution: 400,000, citing a 1979 estimate by
>> Agence France Presse.
>> * R. J. Rummel:
>> o Estimate:
>> + Democide: 34,361,000 (1949-75)
>> # The principle episodes being...
>> * All movements (1949-58): 11,813,000
>> o incl. Land Reform (1949-53): 4,500,000
>> * Cult. Rev. (1964-75): 1,613,000
>> * Forced Labor (1949-75): 15,000,000
>> * Great Leap Forward (1959-63): 5,680,000
>> democides
>> + War: 3,399,000
>> + Famine: 34,500,000
>> # Great Leap Forward: 27M famine deaths
>> + TOTAL: 72,260,000
>> o Cited in Rummel:
>> + Li, Cheng-Chung (Republic of China, 1979): 78.86M
>> direct/indirect deaths.
>> + World Anti-Communist League, True Facts of Maoist
>> Tyranny (1971): 64.5M
>> + Glaser & Possony: 38 to 67M (see above)
>> + Walker Report, 1971 (see below): 31.75M to 58.5M
>> casualties of Communism (excluding Korean War).
>> + Current Death Toll of International Communism (1979):
>> 39.9M
>> + Stephen R. Shalom (1984), Center for Asian Studies,
>> Deaths in China Due To Communism: 3M to 4M death toll,
>> excluding famine.
>> * Walker, Robert L., The Human Cost of Communism in China (1971,
>> report to the US Senate Committee of the Judiciary)
>> "Casualties to Communism" (deaths):
>> o 1st Civil War (1927-36): .25-.5M
>> o Fighting during Sino-Japanese War (1937-45): 50,000
>> o 2nd Civil War (1945-49): 1.25M
>> o Land Reform prior to Liberation: 0.5-1.0M
>> o Political liquidation campaigns: 15-30M
>> o Korean War: 0.5-1.234M
>> o Great Leap Forward: 1-2M
>> o Struggle with minorities: 0.5-1.0M
>> o Cultural Revolution: .25-.5M
>> o Deaths in labor camps: 15-25M
>> o TOTAL: 34.3M to 63.784M
>> o TOTAL FOR PRC: 32M to 59.5M
>> * July 17, 1994, Washington Post (Great Leap Forward 1959-61)
>> o Shanghai University journal, Society: > 40 million
>> o Cong Jin: 40 million
>> o Chen Yizi: 43 million in the famine. 80 million total as a
>> result of Mao's policies.
>> * Weekly Standard, 29 Sept. 1997, "The Laogai Archipelago" by D.
>> Aikman:
>> o Between 1949 and 1997, 50M prisoners passed through the
>> labor camps, and 15,000,000 died (citing Harry Wu)
>> * WHPSI: 1,633,319 political executions and 25,961 deaths from
>> political violence, 1948-77. TOTAL: 1,659,280
>> * Analysis: If we line up the 14 sources which claim to be
>> complete, the median falls in the 45.75 to 52.5 million
>> range, so you probably can't go wrong picking a final
>> number from this neighborhood.
>> Depending on how you want to count some of the incomplete
>> estimates (such as Becker and Meisner) and whether to count a
>> source twice (or thrice, as with Walker) if it's referenced by
>> two different authorities, you can slide the median up and
>> down the scale by many millions. Keep in mind, however, that
>> official Chinese records are hidden from scrutiny,
>> so most of these numbers are pure guesses. It's pointless
>> to get attached to any one of them, because the real number
>> could easily be half or twice any number here.
>> * Perhaps a better way of estimating would be to add up the
>> individual components. The medians here are:
>> o Purges, etc. during the first few years: 2M (10 estimates)
>> o Great Leap Forward: 31-33M (14 estimates)
>> o Cultural Revolution: 1M (13 estimates)
>> o Ethnic Minorities, primarily Tibetans: 750-900T
>> (8 estimates, see below)
>> o Labor Camps: 20M (5 estimates)
>> o This produces a total of some 54,750,000 to 56,900,000
>> deaths. The weak link in this calculation is in the
>> Labor Camp numbers for which we only have 5 estimates.
>> * Notice that many early body counts (such as Walker) completely
>> miss the famine during the Great Leap Forward, which was
>> largely unknown in the west until around 1980. There are two
>> contradictory ways to assess those early estimates which
>> ignore the famine:
>> 1. "If these are the numbers that they came up with without
>> the famine, imagine how high the true number will be
>> once you add the famine deaths."
>> 2. "Can we trust any of these numbers? After all, if they
>> missed such a huge famine, they can't have known very much
>> about what was going on inside China."
>> * ... so this line of reasoning will get us nowhere. In fact, the
>> median of the 7 estimate that predate 1980 is 45.7M, which is
>> almost the same as the median of the 7 estimates that post-date
>> 1980 -- 58M. (At this scale, a 12M difference counts as "almost
>> the same".)
>>
>>
>> Now, remember, these are the CITIZENS of those atheist shitholes being
>> killed by the Atheist regimes who made their lives such misery and
>> despair that when the atheist regimes crumbled from their own evil and
>> incompetence, the people could not wait to shuck off the filthy atheist
>> shitpigs and their nightmare.. and embrace a path more tolerant of
>> religion.. since then their nations have prospered.. still suffering
>> the deep scars of atheist abuse, but once more part of Civilisation and
>> making progress!!
>>
>>
>> Now, all you have to do is show similar EVIDENCE.. not your IDIOTIC
>> OPINIONS, or those of some other atheist cretin.. that countries like
>> the USA, which Prints "In God We Trust" on it's money, is in any way
>> such a murderous tyranny, torturing terrorising and murdering over
>> 20,000,000 of it's citizens!
>>
>> Off you go you snivelling atheist fraud!
>>
>>
>> > (even if we swallow
>>
>> You swallow any shit from any atheist arsehole, you ignorant, hate
>> filled stooge for militant atheism..
>>
>> But you can't deal with the FACTS I just shoved down your
>> lying throat! B^]
>>
>> So go on.. SNIP AND RUN AWAY AGAIN, and post some hysterical, fact-
>> free RANT about your OPINIONS, AGAIN; BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAA
>>
>>
>> > Those deaths, however many there *actually*
>> > were, had nothing whatsoever to do with atheism,
>>
>> Bullshit! Atheist tyrants leading ATHEIST governments, with
>> every member of the RULING CENTRAL COMMITTEE AN ATHEIST, implementing
>> ATHEIST policies, exactly like the ones you hate-filled thugs BOAST OF
>> in your shitty little NG;
>>
>>
>> "Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
>> -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>>
>> "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
>> - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>>
>> "How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
>> - Lenin
>>
>> "You know, they are fooling us, there is no God...
>> all this talk about God is sheer nonsense"
>> - Stalin
>> E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin,
>> Foreign Languages Publishing House, Moscow 1940
>>
>> But it was not just the Atheism of the leadership,
>> but of the entire State apparatus;
>>
>> The Atheist leadership's policies were implemented under
>> the Red Terror, via gulags and executions, the use of
>> every arm of the state for anti-religious propaganda
>> > and the forced indoctrination of CHILDREN! B^[
>>
>> "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
>> - Daniel Peris,
>> "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
>> Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
>>
>> "Criticism of atheism was strictly forbidden"
>>
>> "Between 1917 and 1940, 130,000 Orthodox priests were arrested.
>> In 1918, the Cheka under Felix Dzerzhinsky executed over
>> 3000 Orthodox clergymen of all ranks.
>> Some were drowned in ice-holes or poured over with cold water
>> - John Shelton Curtis, The Russian Church and the Soviet State
>> (Boston: Little Brown, 1953)
>>
>>
>> >>>> And the hilarious thing is they mistakenly see themselves
>> >>>> as the victims of this ridiculous end-times slasher-fest! B^D
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The enemy in Left Behind is a theocracy the "Enigma Babylon
>> >>>> One World Faith Carpathianism", so their wholesale slaughter
>> >>>> precisely matches the militant atheist hatred of religion.. IN
>> >>>> THE REAL WORLD;
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?cont...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> # From: Trance Gemini <trancegemini7@gmail.com>
>> >>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>> >>>> # Subject: Re: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
>> >>>> # Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:05:13 -0700 (PDT)
>> >>>> # Message-ID:
>> >>>> <128235a0-640d-495a-9b43-bbd1d753b9c3@g6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>
>> >>>> # Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
>> >>>> #
>> >>>> # On Sep 26, 5:46=A0am, Steve Knight <sknigh...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >>>> # >
>> >>>> # > We kill theists and shit down their throats
>> >>>> # >
>> >>>> # > Warlord Steve
>> >>>> # > BAAWA
>> >>>> #
>> >>>> # ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>>> # BAAWA Knightette (?) Applicant
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Trance signs up to Kill theists and shit down their throats. 8^o
>>
>> > but everything to do with paranoia.
>>
>> Militant atheists have good reason to be paranoid, as people
>> see what these violent sociopaths openly advocate they will
>> take action to restrain the dangerously insane atheist thugs!!!! B^[
>>
>> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?cont...
>>
>>
>> > You know who physically *did* kill those people?
>>
>> torture, terror and mass murder ordered by the atheist tyrants,
>> Lenin, Stalin, Mao Pol Pot!
>>
>> > Most of those doing the murdering were not atheists,
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAAAA
>>
>> EVERY MEMBER OF THE RULING CENTRAL COMMITTEE OF THE COMMUNIST PARTY WAS
>> AN ATHEIST! They openly declared themselves to be atheists!
>>
>> Read the VERBATIM QUOTES from Lenin and Stalin, you LYING APOLOGIST
>> for the atheist tyrannies!!!! B^[
>>
>> WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE of such absurd lies as "the atheist regimes
>> were not responsible for their systematic terror, torture and mass
>> murder"???
>>
>> > but theists who ought into Stalin's delusion
>> > or who lacked the courage to stand against him,
>>
>> Oh, so it's the fear of the Victims of the atheists with Kalashnikovs
>> who came to drag them away in the night, is it?
>>
>> You are such an evil shitpig!
>>
>> Where's your PROOF, you lying bitch..
>>
>> Where's your counter to the HUNDREDS of peer reviewed historical
>> documents showing LENIN WAS AN ATHEIST, STALIN WAS AN ATHEIST,
>> MAO WAS AN ATHEIST, and they persecuted theists WHOLESALE!
>>
>> > because most of the population was theist
>>
>> Most of the population were VICTIMS of the atheist tyranny, you moronic
>> fuckwit!!!!!!
>>
>>
>> > But you don't talk about religion's record, do you,
>>
>> Bullshit!
>>
>> I was attacking the Talibaqn before you pulled your head from your arse
>> long enough to notice their existance.
>>
>> I have critiqued the medieval church's witchburnings, the Inquisitions,
>> the crusades, the Borgia popes.. I ran a sustained attack on Ratzingers
>> handling of paedophile priests while he was in in Australia for the
>> Church's World Youth event.. Anyone can Google fasgnadh and keywords
>> "Taliban" "The Devil wears Prada" "paedophile priests" to see
>> my track record, and thus realise that once again, when you LYING
>> ATHEIST SHITPIGS DON'T HAVE ANY FACTS to refute mine, you always
>> resort to SLANDER and LIES!!! B^]
>>
>> > you who LIE that you're an agnostic?
>>
>> I am an agnostic, I KNOW that theists cannot conclusively prove the
>> existence of God, and that you atheists cannot ever prove the
>> non-existence of God.. but you both CONTINUE TO BELIEVE without PROOF!
>>
>> So, here's a crystal clear chance for everyone to see whose lying;
>>
>> all you have to do is prove that I don't believe what I just wrote..
>>
>> otherwise, i sure as shit am an agnostic, and you sure as shit are
>> a LYING SLANDERING ATHEIST BITCH!!!
>>
>> > You avoid that like the plague, don't you,
>>
>> Lying slandering atheist bitches? No I EVISCERATE THEM,
>> like I just did with the most gutless, vile, deceitful atheist
>> maggot in Usenet.. 8^)
>>
>> Suck it up! B^]
>>
>>
>> > dishonest, vacuous cowardly, paranoid, delusional theist that you are?
>>
>> You put a question mark there because you don't have a shred of proof to
>> back that up!
>>
>> That's why you SNIP AND RUN from the historical evidence I presented.
>>
>> You will do the same again.. you are a coward and an intellectual midget.
>>
>>
>> > So what of religion's historical record?
>>
>> You desperately want to change the topic, don't you! B^D
>>
>> When you haven't offered even a SINGLE piece of evidence to either
>> rebut the proof I have tendered, or to support the handful of feeble
>> lies you have offered!
>>
>>
>> > How many thousands, even
>> > millions, have been killed in the name of some god throughout history,
>>
>>
>> You are so IGNORANT have to ask me? Just because I have
>> done the research from peer reviewed data and you haven't been able to
>> find a SINGLE FACT!
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAA
>>
>>
>> Here's one: YOU HAVE NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT!
>>
>> Now run along you pathetic lightweight, you are WASTING OUR TIME! B^]
>>
>> > Do you suppose it's anything like 70 million?
>>
>> I don't 'suppose' I leave all the fantasy to you cretins.
>>
>> Here's the summary: in less than 70 years the atheist regimes of
>> the past century, killed more people than any religion in all
>> of human history.
>>
>> EVERY atheist regime has been a totalitarian tyranny!
>>
>> That's why all you atheist hypocrites CHOOSE to LIVE in free,
>> open, democratic, rights-based RELIGIOUS MAJORITY societies,
>> like the USA, Australia, Europe, et al.. none of you back
>> your opinions by moving to an enlightened atheist state..
>> BECAUSE THERE ARE NONE!!! B^D the only remaining atheist
>> state that hasn't (YET) completely collapsed in it's misery
>> despair and death is Nth Korea.. and not even you atheist
>> hypocrites are stupid enough to want to experience atheism
>> in REALITY!
>>
>> Atheists are, demonstrably;
>>
>> > LYING SCUM
>> > pathetic, jvuenile and transparent
>> > a waste of skin
>>
>> and the evidence is the posts of their worst loudmouth;
>>
>> > Budikka
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> Oh yeah, it wasn't the brutal ruthlessness of Stalin or Mao.
>>>>
>>>> Both atheists, leading parties composed of atheists,
>>>> implementing forced indoctrination in atheist ideology,
>>>> stealing and destroying church's and temples and torturing,
>>>> terrorising and murdering over 70,000,000 people!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
>>>> -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>>>>
>>>> "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
>>>> - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>>>>
>>>> "How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
>>>> - Lenin
>>>>
>>>> "You know, they are fooling us, there is no God...
>>>> all this talk about God is sheer nonsense"
>>>> - Stalin
>>>> E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin,
>>>> Foreign Languages Publishing House, Moscow 1940
>>>>
>>>> But it was not just the Atheism of the leadership,
>>>> but of the entire State apparatus;
>>>>
>>>> The Atheist leadership's policies were implemented under
>>>> the Red Terror, via gulags and executions, the use of
>>>> every arm of the state for anti-religious propaganda
>>>> and the forced indoctrination of CHILDREN! B^[
>>>>
>>>> "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
>>>> - Daniel Peris,
>>>> "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
>>>> Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
>>>>
>>>> "Criticism of atheism was strictly forbidden"
>>>>
>>>> "Between 1917 and 1940, 130,000 Orthodox priests were arrested.
>>>> In 1918, the Cheka under Felix Dzerzhinsky executed over
>>>> 3000 Orthodox clergymen of all ranks.
>>>> Some were drowned in ice-holes or poured over with cold water
>>>> - John Shelton Curtis, The Russian Church and the Soviet State
>>>> (Boston: Little Brown, 1953)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When will you atheist hypocrites, who blame theists for the
>>>> inquisition and witchburnings of the MEDIEVAL past accept
>>>> the atrocities committed just last century by the atheist
>>>> tyrannies?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > It wasn't the communist dictatorship
>>>> > which gave them too much power.
>>>>
>>>> All members of the Bolshevik and Maoist Communist parties were
>>>> atheists, you ignorant atheist dimwit! B^D
>>>>
>>>> The ruling Central Commitee were all atheists.
>>>>
>>>> Suck it up! B^]
>>>>
>>>> # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism...
>>>> #
>>>> # "State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
>>>> # by a government, typically by active suppression of
>>>> # religious freedom and practice."
>>>> # - "Protest for Religious Rights in the USSR:
>>>> # Characteristics and Consequences,
>>>> # David Kowalewski,
>>>> # Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
>>>> #
>>>> #
>>>> # "An atheist, Pol Pot suppressed Cambodia?s Buddhist religion:
>>>> # monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
>>>> # Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
>>>> # other religious sentiments were often killed.
>>>> # ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
>>>> # and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
>>>> # and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
>>>> # starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
>>>> # prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
>>>> # instead of the family.
>>>> #
>>>> # About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
>>>> # were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot?s regime."
>>>> # - http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/po...
>>>> #
>>>> # The Cambodian Genocide:
>>>> http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392mi...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> #
>>>> # "The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
>>>> # regarded by the regime as social parasites,
>>>> # were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
>>>> # Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
>>>> # destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
>>>> # Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
>>>> # rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
>>>> # or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
>>>> # were often killed.
>>>> #
>>>> # The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
>>>> # persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
>>>> # Phnom Penh was completely razed.
>>>> #
>>>> # The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
>>>> # regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
>>>> # Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
>>>> # - http://countrystudies.us/cambo...
>>>> #
>>>> # "Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
>>>> # because of their religion."
>>>> #
>>>> http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/44cam...
>>>>
>>>> #
>>>> #
>>>> # "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
>>>> # - Daniel Peris,
>>>> # "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
>>>> # Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
>>>> #
>>>> #
>>>> # "State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
>>>> # countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
>>>> # Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
>>>> # Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
>>>> # promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
>>>> # - Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
>>>> # Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
>>>> #
>>>> # In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
>>>> # intrinsic part of communist ideology.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It was atheism.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The proof is that EVERY atheist state has been
>>>> a totalitarian tyranny! 8^o
>>>>
>>>> Join the Dots!
>>

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-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?cont...

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?cont...

"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?cont...

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?cont...

"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?cont...

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L.Roberts

1/17/2010 6:08:00 AM

Such a mess of stupid assine shit that I, as usual, didn't bother to
read more than two percent of it. Were you trying to say something
asswipe? If you ever do have anything to say, who will know? You shit
your posts up so bad that nobody I know of bothers to pick thru it.
Superstitious fuck.

fasgnadh

1/17/2010 5:12:00 PM

IAAH the parrott squarks "Arrrrrk .. Polly Want a Cracker!" :
> On 1/16/10 10:18 PM, * fasgnadh wrote:
>> John Locke believes what he can't see, doesn't exist:
>>> Olrik the unworthy states the obvious:
>>>> fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>> L.Roberts begs on his knees for mercy :
>>>>>> fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>>>> Davej wrote:
>>>>>>>> fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I flipped thru one of the later Left Behind books at work,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> These are the best selling print books in the US, and bought
>>>>>>>>>> by an
>>>>>>>>>> audience that doesn't normally read books. And whose vote
>>>>>>>>>> affects the
>>>>>>>>>> rest of us.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh wow, atheism, which was responsible for over 70,000,000 REAL
>>>>>>>>> deaths in the USSR, Mao's China, and the other atheist states,
>>>>>>>>> is wetting itself over A WORK OF FICTION!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAAAAA
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And the hilarious thing is they mistakenly see themselves
>>>>>>>>> as the victims of this ridiculous end-times slasher-fest! B^D
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The enemy in Left Behind is a theocracy the "Enigma Babylon
>>>>>>>>> One World Faith Carpathianism", so their wholesale slaughter
>>>>>>>>> precisely matches the militant atheist hatred of religion.. IN
>>>>>>>>> THE REAL WORLD;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?cont...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> # From: Trance Gemini <trancegemini7@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>>>>>>>>> # Subject: Re: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
>>>>>>>>> # Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:05:13 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>>>>>> # Message-ID:
>>>>>>>>> <128235a0-640d-495a-9b43-bbd1d753b9c3@g6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>> # Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>> # On Sep 26, 5:46=A0am, Steve Knight <sknigh...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> # >
>>>>>>>>> # > We kill theists and shit down their throats
>>>>>>>>> # >
>>>>>>>>> # > Warlord Steve
>>>>>>>>> # > BAAWA
>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> # BAAWA Knightette (?) Applicant
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Trance signs up to Kill theists and shit down their throats. 8^o
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> PanamaFloyd posted this link a couple of weeks ago...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What the 'Left Behind' Series Really Means
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.joebageant.com/joe/2005/12/what_the_l...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> More hysterical ranting from another fundie-raised atheist who
>>>>>>>>> projects his own conditioning onto a world of Christians it
>>>>>>>>> doesn't match.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "It is approximately what everyone in the congregation
>>>>>>>>> sitting around me last Sunday at my brother?s church
>>>>>>>>> believes. Or some version of it. How can anyone acquire
>>>>>>>>> and hold such notions? Answer: The same way you got yours
>>>>>>>>> and I got mine. Conditioning. From family and school and society"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So when atheists in Usenet rave on about their favourite
>>>>>>>>> works of fiction, sci-fi or Vampire books, it's because
>>>>>>>>> they were 'conditioned by family, school and society' to
>>>>>>>>> want to see humans have their blood sucked out!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Poor atheists, they feel so insignificant, so irrelevant
>>>>>>>>> to the world around themselves, they have to PROJECT themselves
>>>>>>>>> into the role of VICTIMS IN A WORLD OF FICTION! B^D
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Relax, and stop doing your hypocritical Chicken Little
>>>>>>>>> routine, the "Enigma Babylon One World Faith Carpathianism"
>>>>>>>>> is clearly a melange of various perceived 'enemies' of
>>>>>>>>> fundamentalism including the Bahai (One World Faith),
>>>>>>>>> linked to Revelation (Babylon), with a Global Pope( the Most
>>>>>>>>> High Reverend Father of Carpathianism)!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Like you atheists, the fundies see genuine world religions as
>>>>>>>>> their objects of hate. You are their identical twins.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [Although the discerning observer can see that the author,
>>>>>>>>> to make his fictional enemy appear more bestial and evil,
>>>>>>>>> has given the Carpathians many aspects of atheist regimes,
>>>>>>>>> drawn from the real world; The "Supreme Commander" Leon
>>>>>>>>> Fortunato (Lenin/Stalin/Mao) "outlaws all existing
>>>>>>>>> religions and declares that swift and brutal punishment
>>>>>>>>> will come to those who refuse".]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nice to see the atheists bewailing another cults
>>>>>>>>> fictional enactment of what the atheist states did
>>>>>>>>> in reality, last century.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh yeah, it wasn't the brutal ruthlessness of Stalin or Mao.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Both atheists, leading parties composed of atheists,
>>>>>>> implementing forced indoctrination in atheist ideology,
>>>>>>> stealing and destroying church's and temples and torturing,
>>>>>>> terrorising and murdering over 70,000,000 people!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
>>>>>>> -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
>>>>>>> - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
>>>>>>> - Lenin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "You know, they are fooling us, there is no God...
>>>>>>> all this talk about God is sheer nonsense"
>>>>>>> - Stalin
>>>>>>> E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin,
>>>>>>> Foreign Languages Publishing House, Moscow 1940
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But it was not just the Atheism of the leadership,
>>>>>>> but of the entire State apparatus;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Atheist leadership's policies were implemented under
>>>>>>> the Red Terror, via gulags and executions, the use of
>>>>>>> every arm of the state for anti-religious propaganda
>>>>>>> and the forced indoctrination of CHILDREN! B^[
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
>>>>>>> - Daniel Peris,
>>>>>>> "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant
>>>>>>> Godless"
>>>>>>> Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Criticism of atheism was strictly forbidden"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Between 1917 and 1940, 130,000 Orthodox priests were arrested.
>>>>>>> In 1918, the Cheka under Felix Dzerzhinsky executed over
>>>>>>> 3000 Orthodox clergymen of all ranks.
>>>>>>> Some were drowned in ice-holes or poured over with cold water
>>>>>>> - John Shelton Curtis, The Russian Church and the Soviet State
>>>>>>> (Boston: Little Brown, 1953)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When will you atheist hypocrites, who blame theists for the
>>>>>>> inquisition and witchburnings of the MEDIEVAL past accept
>>>>>>> the atrocities committed just last century by the atheist
>>>>>>> tyrannies?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > It wasn't the communist dictatorship
>>>>>>> > which gave them too much power.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All members of the Bolshevik and Maoist Communist parties were
>>>>>>> atheists, you ignorant atheist dimwit! B^D
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The ruling Central Commitee were all atheists.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Suck it up! B^]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism...
>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>> # "State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
>>>>>>> # by a government, typically by active suppression of
>>>>>>> # religious freedom and practice."
>>>>>>> # - "Protest for Religious Rights in the USSR:
>>>>>>> # Characteristics and Consequences,
>>>>>>> # David Kowalewski,
>>>>>>> # Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>> # "An atheist, Pol Pot suppressed Cambodia?s Buddhist religion:
>>>>>>> # monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
>>>>>>> # Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
>>>>>>> # other religious sentiments were often killed.
>>>>>>> # ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
>>>>>>> # and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
>>>>>>> # and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
>>>>>>> # starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
>>>>>>> # prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
>>>>>>> # instead of the family.
>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>> # About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the
>>>>>>> population,
>>>>>>> # were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot?s regime."
>>>>>>> # -
>>>>>>> http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/po...
>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>> # The Cambodian Genocide:
>>>>>>> http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392mi...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>> # "The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
>>>>>>> # regarded by the regime as social parasites,
>>>>>>> # were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
>>>>>>> # Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
>>>>>>> # destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
>>>>>>> # Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
>>>>>>> # rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
>>>>>>> # or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
>>>>>>> # were often killed.
>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>> # The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
>>>>>>> # persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
>>>>>>> # Phnom Penh was completely razed.
>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>> # The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
>>>>>>> # regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
>>>>>>> # Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
>>>>>>> # - http://countrystudies.us/cambo...
>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>> # "Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
>>>>>>> # because of their religion."
>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>> http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/44cam...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>> # "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
>>>>>>> # - Daniel Peris,
>>>>>>> # "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant
>>>>>>> Godless"
>>>>>>> # Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>> # "State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
>>>>>>> # countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
>>>>>>> # Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
>>>>>>> # Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
>>>>>>> # promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
>>>>>>> # - Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
>>>>>>> # Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>> # In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
>>>>>>> # intrinsic part of communist ideology.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It was atheism.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The proof is that EVERY atheist state has been
>>>>>>> a totalitarian tyranny! 8^o
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Join the Dots!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why must you persist
>>>>>
>>>>> Because atheist pussies are such easy meat, as soon
>>>>> as someone asks you questions you can't answer, like
>>>>> "why has EVERY atheist state been a totalitarian shithole"
>>>>> or "Why do all you atheist hypocrites choose to live
>>>>> in free open democratic MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies, rather
>>>>> than the last remaining atheist state, North Korea?" you
>>>>> all fold faster than the deckchairs on the Titanic!* B^]
>>>>>
>>>>> *TM Fasgnadh
>>>>>
>>>>> And whydo you bother coming to DISCUSSION GROUPS,
>>>>> when you all SNIP and RUN and leave a little dog turd of
>>>>> witless ad hom behind.. what are you majoring in at
>>>>> Atheist Arsehole U.?
>>>>>
>>>>>> in being so fucking stupid
>>>>>
>>>>> You must easily be the top of your Class!
>>>>>
>>>>> > asswipe?
>>>>>
>>>>> No thanks, although I hear you do a nice clean job, with your tongue.
>>>>>
>>>>> Panama Fraud or some other arse kissing atheist tool, will
>>>>> be along soon, you can wipe each otehr's! B^D
>>>>
>>>> Well well, fasgnadh the atheist is back!
>>>
>>> You poor clueless no-life sad-sacks miss me after ONE DAY?
>>>
>>> I posted on 14/1, 13/1, 12/1... It's summer, I spend a lot of time
>>> at the beach, and besides, since I took the scalps of all your
>>> champions and you all SNIP, RUN, and HIDE, with just a token flurry
>>> of pathetic ad hom.. it doesn't take so much time to maintain my
>>> intellectual dominance over your NewsGroup! B^]
>>>
>>> I just cruise the clueless anti-theist threads looking for the
>>> MOST IDIOTIC atheist claptrap to eviscerate.. there is always
>>> plenty of easy meat as none of you are brighter than a 5 watt bulb!
>>>
>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA
>>>
>>>
>>> And one post from me, with the useless shite you cretins respond with,
>>> is enough to demonstrate that atheism is the most useless, ineffectual,
>>> sub-branch of Nihilism, favoured by pimply adolescents and intellectual
>>> lightweights who can't manage an ideology more complex than "We don't
>>> believe in something!" Even DOG TURDS can manage that! B^D
>>>
>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHA
>> >
>> Atheists have this strange belief that if they blinker
>> themselves, so they can't see, then reality doesn't exist:
>
> Uh huh. And what part of the supposed existence of any god (for which no
> empirical evidence has ever been presented after tens of centuries of
> searching) can *you* present for us, fannynads?

WTF has that got to do with the subject, and why are you asking an
agnostic your one, BRAINLESS, SLOGAN CHANTING, NON-PROVABLE
Question!?!?????

Do they give you mindless morons a single scripot with one question
tyepd in BIG LETTERS for you to brainlessly chant NO MATTER WHAT THE
SUBJECT IS?? BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAA!

Nothing has changed in the world of atheist tools,
you are all still brainless automatons parroting your ONE
slogan;

http://www.thearchetypalconnection.com/images/RedGua...

> Or is this where you run away as you usually do?

I don't run away.. I just wonder HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES you CRETINS
have to be told YOU CANNOT DISPROVE THE EXISTENCE OF GOD, (it's a
logical impossibility) and theists CANNOT PROVE THE EXISTENCE OF GOD,
although it is provable, and much circumstantial evidence exists, which
I am happy to discuss with you, so long as you can finally grasp the key
first part of that statement.

Now why do you morons keep asking the SAME STUPID QUESTION, when there
is no way either you, or the theists, can PROVE your beliefs?

Is it that you have nothing in your life other than pointlessness?

Is it that you can't understand what is provable and what is not?

Is it that you are just a tedious, low-IQ, knuckle-dragging dimwit?

Who really gives a fuck what your malfunction is..

Everyone can simply laugh at you when you try and ask an agnostic
to prove something they have told you a hundred times is NOT
CONCLUSIVELY PROVABLE!!!! B^D

You atheists really are S-L-O-W learners! B^]

> I'm betting on you running,

You lose, I have comprehensively dealt with your ONE idea,
the stupidest question a large number of sub-epsilon morons
have EVER obsessed over.. while you simply can't deal with
the subject.. the hilarious atheist obsession with fundies, because
they are the only people whose IQ's match your own, and so you
can endlessly parade your respective POINTLESSNESS!!!! B^D

I love taking you atheists apart using nothing but the historical
record, logic and verifiable facts! B^]

> because it's what you're good at.

And you are a one trick pony who looks distinctly retarded when you
keep making the same IRRELEVANT question in response to every issue that
it has NOTHING TO DO WITH!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAAA!

And which, as an agnostic, I have no interest in, nor duty to
join in your POINTLESS idiocy! B^]

--

alt.atheism FAQ:

http://altatheismfaq.blo...

http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dm...

"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?cont...

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?cont...

"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?cont...

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?cont...

"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?cont...

http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKV...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_10...

L.Roberts

1/17/2010 5:16:00 PM

On Jan 16, 9:47 am, "L.Roberts" <ozzcat2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 15, 9:38 pm, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> > L.Roberts points out to fasgnadh once again:
>
> fasgnadh, you are a stupid, lying asswipe.
>
> Now go play someplace else.

Hey, that's what I said.

IAAH

1/17/2010 9:21:00 PM

On 1/17/10 12:11 PM, * fasgnadh wrote:
> IAAH the parrott squarks "Arrrrrk .. Polly Want a Cracker!" :
>> On 1/16/10 10:18 PM, * fasgnadh wrote:
>>> John Locke believes what he can't see, doesn't exist:
>>>> Olrik the unworthy states the obvious:
>>>>> fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>>> L.Roberts begs on his knees for mercy :
>>>>>>> fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>>>>> Davej wrote:
>>>>>>>>> fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I flipped thru one of the later Left Behind books at work,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> These are the best selling print books in the US, and bought
>>>>>>>>>>> by an
>>>>>>>>>>> audience that doesn't normally read books. And whose vote
>>>>>>>>>>> affects the
>>>>>>>>>>> rest of us.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Oh wow, atheism, which was responsible for over 70,000,000 REAL
>>>>>>>>>> deaths in the USSR, Mao's China, and the other atheist states,
>>>>>>>>>> is wetting itself over A WORK OF FICTION!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAAAAA
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And the hilarious thing is they mistakenly see themselves
>>>>>>>>>> as the victims of this ridiculous end-times slasher-fest! B^D
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The enemy in Left Behind is a theocracy the "Enigma Babylon
>>>>>>>>>> One World Faith Carpathianism", so their wholesale slaughter
>>>>>>>>>> precisely matches the militant atheist hatred of religion.. IN
>>>>>>>>>> THE REAL WORLD;
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?cont...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> # From: Trance Gemini <trancegemini7@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>>>>>>>>>> # Subject: Re: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
>>>>>>>>>> # Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:05:13 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>>>>>>> # Message-ID:
>>>>>>>>>> <128235a0-640d-495a-9b43-bbd1d753b9c3@g6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> # Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>> # On Sep 26, 5:46=A0am, Steve Knight <sknigh...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> # >
>>>>>>>>>> # > We kill theists and shit down their throats
>>>>>>>>>> # >
>>>>>>>>>> # > Warlord Steve
>>>>>>>>>> # > BAAWA
>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> # BAAWA Knightette (?) Applicant
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Trance signs up to Kill theists and shit down their throats.
>>>>>>>>>> 8^o
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> PanamaFloyd posted this link a couple of weeks ago...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What the 'Left Behind' Series Really Means
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.joebageant.com/joe/2005/12/what_the_l...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> More hysterical ranting from another fundie-raised atheist who
>>>>>>>>>> projects his own conditioning onto a world of Christians it
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't match.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "It is approximately what everyone in the congregation
>>>>>>>>>> sitting around me last Sunday at my brother?s church
>>>>>>>>>> believes. Or some version of it. How can anyone acquire
>>>>>>>>>> and hold such notions? Answer: The same way you got yours
>>>>>>>>>> and I got mine. Conditioning. From family and school and society"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So when atheists in Usenet rave on about their favourite
>>>>>>>>>> works of fiction, sci-fi or Vampire books, it's because
>>>>>>>>>> they were 'conditioned by family, school and society' to
>>>>>>>>>> want to see humans have their blood sucked out!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Poor atheists, they feel so insignificant, so irrelevant
>>>>>>>>>> to the world around themselves, they have to PROJECT themselves
>>>>>>>>>> into the role of VICTIMS IN A WORLD OF FICTION! B^D
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Relax, and stop doing your hypocritical Chicken Little
>>>>>>>>>> routine, the "Enigma Babylon One World Faith Carpathianism"
>>>>>>>>>> is clearly a melange of various perceived 'enemies' of
>>>>>>>>>> fundamentalism including the Bahai (One World Faith),
>>>>>>>>>> linked to Revelation (Babylon), with a Global Pope( the Most
>>>>>>>>>> High Reverend Father of Carpathianism)!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Like you atheists, the fundies see genuine world religions as
>>>>>>>>>> their objects of hate. You are their identical twins.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [Although the discerning observer can see that the author,
>>>>>>>>>> to make his fictional enemy appear more bestial and evil,
>>>>>>>>>> has given the Carpathians many aspects of atheist regimes,
>>>>>>>>>> drawn from the real world; The "Supreme Commander" Leon
>>>>>>>>>> Fortunato (Lenin/Stalin/Mao) "outlaws all existing
>>>>>>>>>> religions and declares that swift and brutal punishment
>>>>>>>>>> will come to those who refuse".]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nice to see the atheists bewailing another cults
>>>>>>>>>> fictional enactment of what the atheist states did
>>>>>>>>>> in reality, last century.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh yeah, it wasn't the brutal ruthlessness of Stalin or Mao.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Both atheists, leading parties composed of atheists,
>>>>>>>> implementing forced indoctrination in atheist ideology,
>>>>>>>> stealing and destroying church's and temples and torturing,
>>>>>>>> terrorising and murdering over 70,000,000 people!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
>>>>>>>> -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
>>>>>>>> - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
>>>>>>>> - Lenin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "You know, they are fooling us, there is no God...
>>>>>>>> all this talk about God is sheer nonsense"
>>>>>>>> - Stalin
>>>>>>>> E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin,
>>>>>>>> Foreign Languages Publishing House, Moscow 1940
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But it was not just the Atheism of the leadership,
>>>>>>>> but of the entire State apparatus;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Atheist leadership's policies were implemented under
>>>>>>>> the Red Terror, via gulags and executions, the use of
>>>>>>>> every arm of the state for anti-religious propaganda
>>>>>>>> and the forced indoctrination of CHILDREN! B^[
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
>>>>>>>> - Daniel Peris,
>>>>>>>> "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant
>>>>>>>> Godless"
>>>>>>>> Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Criticism of atheism was strictly forbidden"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Between 1917 and 1940, 130,000 Orthodox priests were arrested.
>>>>>>>> In 1918, the Cheka under Felix Dzerzhinsky executed over
>>>>>>>> 3000 Orthodox clergymen of all ranks.
>>>>>>>> Some were drowned in ice-holes or poured over with cold water
>>>>>>>> - John Shelton Curtis, The Russian Church and the Soviet State
>>>>>>>> (Boston: Little Brown, 1953)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When will you atheist hypocrites, who blame theists for the
>>>>>>>> inquisition and witchburnings of the MEDIEVAL past accept
>>>>>>>> the atrocities committed just last century by the atheist
>>>>>>>> tyrannies?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > It wasn't the communist dictatorship
>>>>>>>> > which gave them too much power.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All members of the Bolshevik and Maoist Communist parties were
>>>>>>>> atheists, you ignorant atheist dimwit! B^D
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The ruling Central Commitee were all atheists.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Suck it up! B^]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism...
>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>> # "State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
>>>>>>>> # by a government, typically by active suppression of
>>>>>>>> # religious freedom and practice."
>>>>>>>> # - "Protest for Religious Rights in the USSR:
>>>>>>>> # Characteristics and Consequences,
>>>>>>>> # David Kowalewski,
>>>>>>>> # Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>> # "An atheist, Pol Pot suppressed Cambodia?s Buddhist religion:
>>>>>>>> # monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
>>>>>>>> # Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
>>>>>>>> # other religious sentiments were often killed.
>>>>>>>> # ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
>>>>>>>> # and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
>>>>>>>> # and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
>>>>>>>> # starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
>>>>>>>> # prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
>>>>>>>> # instead of the family.
>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>> # About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the
>>>>>>>> population,
>>>>>>>> # were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot?s regime."
>>>>>>>> # -
>>>>>>>> http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/po...
>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>> # The Cambodian Genocide:
>>>>>>>> http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392mi...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>> # "The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
>>>>>>>> # regarded by the regime as social parasites,
>>>>>>>> # were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
>>>>>>>> # Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
>>>>>>>> # destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
>>>>>>>> # Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
>>>>>>>> # rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
>>>>>>>> # or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
>>>>>>>> # were often killed.
>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>> # The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
>>>>>>>> # persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
>>>>>>>> # Phnom Penh was completely razed.
>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>> # The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
>>>>>>>> # regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
>>>>>>>> # Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
>>>>>>>> # - http://countrystudies.us/cambo...
>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>> # "Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
>>>>>>>> # because of their religion."
>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>> http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/44cam...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>> # "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
>>>>>>>> # - Daniel Peris,
>>>>>>>> # "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant
>>>>>>>> Godless"
>>>>>>>> # Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>> # "State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
>>>>>>>> # countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
>>>>>>>> # Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
>>>>>>>> # Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
>>>>>>>> # promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
>>>>>>>> # - Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
>>>>>>>> # Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>> # In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
>>>>>>>> # intrinsic part of communist ideology.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It was atheism.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The proof is that EVERY atheist state has been
>>>>>>>> a totalitarian tyranny! 8^o
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Join the Dots!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why must you persist
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because atheist pussies are such easy meat, as soon
>>>>>> as someone asks you questions you can't answer, like
>>>>>> "why has EVERY atheist state been a totalitarian shithole"
>>>>>> or "Why do all you atheist hypocrites choose to live
>>>>>> in free open democratic MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies, rather
>>>>>> than the last remaining atheist state, North Korea?" you
>>>>>> all fold faster than the deckchairs on the Titanic!* B^]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *TM Fasgnadh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And whydo you bother coming to DISCUSSION GROUPS,
>>>>>> when you all SNIP and RUN and leave a little dog turd of
>>>>>> witless ad hom behind.. what are you majoring in at
>>>>>> Atheist Arsehole U.?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> in being so fucking stupid
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You must easily be the top of your Class!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > asswipe?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No thanks, although I hear you do a nice clean job, with your tongue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Panama Fraud or some other arse kissing atheist tool, will
>>>>>> be along soon, you can wipe each otehr's! B^D
>>>>>
>>>>> Well well, fasgnadh the atheist is back!
>>>>
>>>> You poor clueless no-life sad-sacks miss me after ONE DAY?
>>>>
>>>> I posted on 14/1, 13/1, 12/1... It's summer, I spend a lot of time
>>>> at the beach, and besides, since I took the scalps of all your
>>>> champions and you all SNIP, RUN, and HIDE, with just a token flurry
>>>> of pathetic ad hom.. it doesn't take so much time to maintain my
>>>> intellectual dominance over your NewsGroup! B^]
>>>>
>>>> I just cruise the clueless anti-theist threads looking for the
>>>> MOST IDIOTIC atheist claptrap to eviscerate.. there is always
>>>> plenty of easy meat as none of you are brighter than a 5 watt bulb!
>>>>
>>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And one post from me, with the useless shite you cretins respond with,
>>>> is enough to demonstrate that atheism is the most useless, ineffectual,
>>>> sub-branch of Nihilism, favoured by pimply adolescents and
>>>> intellectual
>>>> lightweights who can't manage an ideology more complex than "We
>>>> don't believe in something!" Even DOG TURDS can manage that! B^D
>>>>
>>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHA
>>> >
>>> Atheists have this strange belief that if they blinker
>>> themselves, so they can't see, then reality doesn't exist:
>>
>> Uh huh. And what part of the supposed existence of any god (for which
>> no empirical evidence has ever been presented after tens of centuries
>> of searching) can *you* present for us, fannynads?
>
> WTF has that got to do with the subject, and why are you asking an
> agnostic your one, BRAINLESS, SLOGAN CHANTING, NON-PROVABLE
> Question!?!?????

Okay, so your original contention isn't based on
any reasoning, only on your own idiotic prejudices.

Like there was any doubt...

>
> Do they give you mindless morons a single scripot with one question
> tyepd in BIG LETTERS for you to brainlessly chant NO MATTER WHAT THE
> SUBJECT IS?? BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAA!
>
> Nothing has changed in the world of atheist tools,
> you are all still brainless automatons parroting your ONE
> slogan;
>
> http://www.thearchetypalconnection.com/images/RedGua...

Ah, another one of fannynads' interminable lying
strawmen, claiming to know that atheists are
somehow united why they hold no belief in any god.

>
>
>
>> Or is this where you run away as you usually do?
>
> I don't run away.. I just wonder HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES you CRETINS
> have to be told YOU CANNOT DISPROVE THE EXISTENCE OF GOD, (it's a
> logical impossibility) and theists CANNOT PROVE THE EXISTENCE OF GOD,
> although it is provable, and much circumstantial evidence exists, which
> I am happy to discuss with you, so long as you can finally grasp the key
> first part of that statement.

Oh, now you decide to give theists a free pass,
while at the same time ignoring the FACT that the
vast majority of atheists don't claim that they
know some god or gods are non-existent.

So you're running. As usual.

And we'll get rid of the rest, because it really
was nothing more than the usual frothing and
wanking from fannynads, who has decided to run
like a bunny rather than engage on any kind of
intellectual level.

Your claim of being an agnostic is typical of your
intellectual cowardice.

--
"I do not pretend to be able to prove that there
is no God. I equally cannot
prove that Satan is a fiction. The Christian god
may exist; so may the gods of
Olympus, or of ancient Egypt, or of Babylon. But
no one of these hypotheses is
more probable than any other: they lie outside the
region of even probable
knowledge, and therefore there is no reason to
consider any of them."
-Bertrand Russell

Davej

1/18/2010 5:16:00 PM

On Jan 15, 10:43 pm, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> again spams to:
alt.atheism, alt.religion.christian, alt.bible.prophecy, alt.religion,
alt.politics.republicans, talk.atheism, alt.agnosticism,
alt.politics.democrats, uk.politics.misc
> Davej wrote:
> > the communist dictatorship which gave them too much power.
>
> All members of the Bolshevik and Maoist Communist parties were
> atheists, you ignorant atheist dimwit! B^D
>
> The ruling Central Commitee were all atheists.
>
> Suck it up! B^]
>
> #http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism...

Which is a dictatorial cult-like use of excessive power. All religious
beliefs were made illegal by the government. This is totally
different from ordinary atheism which merely seeks to avoid any such
government endorsement of belief or laws regarding personal religious
beliefs or the lack thereof.

Virgil

1/18/2010 11:43:00 PM

In article <jIv4n.1812$pv.1035@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
fasgnadh <fasgnadh@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> Virgil claims Lenin's atheism is a religion!

I am only following in Lord Russell's footsteps.

# From Bertrand Russell, in his "Unpopular Essays",
in chapter on "Eminent Men I Have Known" -
"Lenin supposed himself to be an atheist, but in this he was mistaken.
He thought that the world was governed by the dialectic, whose
instrument he was; just as much as Gladstone, he conceived of
himself as the human agent of a superhuman Power.

I have snipped 1117 of fas's 1118 lines of failed attempts to prove
Russell wrong.

Virgil

1/19/2010

In article <axH4n.1875$pv.900@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
fasgnadh <fasgnadh@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> IAAH wrote :
> > fasgnadh the parrott squarks "Arrrrrk .. Polly Want a Cracker!" :
> >> John Locke wrote:
> >>> Olrik, the worthy states, the obvious:
> >>>> fasgnadh, the parrott, squarks "Arrrrrk .. Polly Want a Cracker!" :
> >>>>> L.Roberts wrote:
> >>>>>> fasgnadh begs on his knees for mercy:
> >>>>>>> Davej wrote:
> >>>>>>>> fasgnadh ,the parrott, squarks "Arrrrrk .. Polly Want a Cracker!" :
> >>>>>>>>> Christopher A. Lee wrote:

> >
> > Uh huh. And what part of the supposed existence of any god (for which no
> > empirical evidence has ever been presented after tens of centuries of
> > searching) can *you* present for us, fannynads?
>
> WTF has that got to do with the subject

it has absolutely everything to do with whether there is any
justification for establishing theism.

And there ain't.

Any good in any religion can be found in religions that do not require
belief in any gods.

> and why are you asking an
> agnostic your one, BRAINLESS, SLOGAN CHANTING, NON-PROVABLE
> Question!?!?????

Because it is the non-provability of theist claims of godly existence
which make them evil, whereas atheists only claim NOT to believe in
those unprovable claims.

> Nothing has changed in the world of atheist tools,
> you are all still brainless automatons parroting your ONE
> slogan;
>
>
The slogan of atheism might well be "We're from Missouri".

We choose not to believe in any god which cannot simultaneously prove
its own existence and disprove the existence of all other gods to our
satisfaction.

And fasgnadh hasn't shown us any god that can do either, much less both.

cornholio

1/19/2010 3:55:00 AM

On Jan 16, 9:27 pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "cornholio" <andxor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a853030f-34eb-4330-8c57-4b8a9e782b6d@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Jan 15, 10:50 pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> "fasgnadh" <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>
> >>news:Iuc4n.1598$pv.1310@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> >> > Draccus wrote:
> >> >> On Jan 15, 5:25 pm, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >> >>> Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>
> >> >>>>> I flipped thru one of the later Left Behind books at work,
>
> >> >>>> These are the best selling print books in the US, and bought by an
> >> >>>> audience that doesn't normally read books. And whose vote affects
> >> >>>> the
> >> >>>> rest of us.
>
> >> >>> Oh wow, atheism, which was responsible for over 70,000,000 REAL
> >> >>> deaths in the USSR, Mao's China, and the other atheist states,
> >> >>> is wetting itself over A WORK OF FICTION!
>
> >> >>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAAAAA
>
> >> > >> And the hilarious thing is they mistakenly see themselves
> >> > >> as the victims of this ridiculous end-times slasher-fest! B^D
>
> >> > >> The enemy in Left Behind is a theocracy the "Enigma Babylon
> >> > >> One World Faith Carpathianism", so their wholesale slaughter
> >> > >> precisely matches the militant atheist hatred of religion.. IN
> >> > >> THE REAL WORLD;
>
> >> > >>http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?cont...
>
> >> > >> # From: Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com>
> >> > >> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
> >> > >> # Subject: Re: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
> >> > >> # Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:05:13 -0700 (PDT)
> >> > >> # Message-ID:
> >> > >> <128235a0-640d-495a-9b43-bbd1d753b...@g6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>
> >> > >> # Complaints-To: groups-ab...@google.com
> >> > >> #
> >> > >> # On Sep 26, 5:46=A0am, Steve Knight <sknigh...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> > >> # >
> >> > >> # > We kill theists and shit down their throats
> >> > >> # >
> >> > >> # > Warlord Steve
> >> > >> # > BAAWA
> >> > >> #
> >> > >> # ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > >> # BAAWA Knightette (?) Applicant
>
> >> > >> Trance signs up to Kill theists and shit down their throats. 8^o
>
> >> >> Personally I found the Fundie claptrap to be funny as it was stupid.
>
> >> > Sure, it seems like adolescent bullshit, till you remember that we
> >> > aren't dealing with a work of fiction here, but with the hate-filled
> >> > venom of militant atheists who freely advocate murdering theists, and
> >> > there has never been a single atheist in Usenet who condemned them,
> >> > let alone disassociated themselves for the terror, torture and
> >> > mass murder that saw over 70,000,000 people killed in the atheist
> >> > tyrannies of the past century!
>
> >> Right and Muslims never call for the murder of unbelievers *sarcasm* and
> >> the
> >> Bible doesn't call for people who worship "false idols" to be killed
> >> *more
> >> sarcasm*
>
> > The Torah's injunctions against worshipping 'false idols' ONLY apply
> > to
> > the Jewish people Seonie, because it's THEIR religion, NOT YOURS. I
> > don't
> > think anyone Jewish cares if you worship 'false idols'.
>
> > As far as I can tell, the Torah doesn't authorize the imposition of
> > the Jewish
> > faith on anyone, unlike the holey koran.
>
> Were the people in the cities who were massacred in the Jews genocides in
> the OT Jews or non Jews?

You mean the Midianites? Or the Caananites?

I'm not sure if you can term these events genocides, because
if you do then Muhammad, the prophet himself, is also guilty
of genocide (in the slaughter of the Jews of Khybar and Ytharib/
Medina).

I'd term them genocides though. Of course they were non-Jews.

But like I've said before 2500 year old atrocities don't justify
present-day
atrocities.

Seon

1/19/2010 6:40:00 AM

"cornholio" <andxornot@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3fd9fd11-39bb-418c-ace3-7234ded45894@c34g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 16, 9:27 pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "cornholio" <andxor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:a853030f-34eb-4330-8c57-4b8a9e782b6d@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jan 15, 10:50 pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> "fasgnadh" <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:Iuc4n.1598$pv.1310@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>> >> > Draccus wrote:
>> >> >> On Jan 15, 5:25 pm, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> >> >>> Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>>
>> >> >>>>> I flipped thru one of the later Left Behind books at work,
>>
>> >> >>>> These are the best selling print books in the US, and bought by
>> >> >>>> an
>> >> >>>> audience that doesn't normally read books. And whose vote affects
>> >> >>>> the
>> >> >>>> rest of us.
>>
>> >> >>> Oh wow, atheism, which was responsible for over 70,000,000 REAL
>> >> >>> deaths in the USSR, Mao's China, and the other atheist states,
>> >> >>> is wetting itself over A WORK OF FICTION!
>>
>> >> >>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAAAAA
>>
>> >> > >> And the hilarious thing is they mistakenly see themselves
>> >> > >> as the victims of this ridiculous end-times slasher-fest! B^D
>>
>> >> > >> The enemy in Left Behind is a theocracy the "Enigma Babylon
>> >> > >> One World Faith Carpathianism", so their wholesale slaughter
>> >> > >> precisely matches the militant atheist hatred of religion.. IN
>> >> > >> THE REAL WORLD;
>>
>> >> > >>http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?cont...
>>
>> >> > >> # From: Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com>
>> >> > >> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>> >> > >> # Subject: Re: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
>> >> > >> # Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:05:13 -0700 (PDT)
>> >> > >> # Message-ID:
>> >> > >> <128235a0-640d-495a-9b43-bbd1d753b...@g6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>
>> >> > >> # Complaints-To: groups-ab...@google.com
>> >> > >> #
>> >> > >> # On Sep 26, 5:46=A0am, Steve Knight <sknigh...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >> > >> # >
>> >> > >> # > We kill theists and shit down their throats
>> >> > >> # >
>> >> > >> # > Warlord Steve
>> >> > >> # > BAAWA
>> >> > >> #
>> >> > >> # ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> > >> # BAAWA Knightette (?) Applicant
>>
>> >> > >> Trance signs up to Kill theists and shit down their throats.
>> >> > >> 8^o
>>
>> >> >> Personally I found the Fundie claptrap to be funny as it was
>> >> >> stupid.
>>
>> >> > Sure, it seems like adolescent bullshit, till you remember that we
>> >> > aren't dealing with a work of fiction here, but with the hate-filled
>> >> > venom of militant atheists who freely advocate murdering theists,
>> >> > and
>> >> > there has never been a single atheist in Usenet who condemned them,
>> >> > let alone disassociated themselves for the terror, torture and
>> >> > mass murder that saw over 70,000,000 people killed in the atheist
>> >> > tyrannies of the past century!
>>
>> >> Right and Muslims never call for the murder of unbelievers *sarcasm*
>> >> and
>> >> the
>> >> Bible doesn't call for people who worship "false idols" to be killed
>> >> *more
>> >> sarcasm*
>>
>> > The Torah's injunctions against worshipping 'false idols' ONLY apply
>> > to
>> > the Jewish people Seonie, because it's THEIR religion, NOT YOURS. I
>> > don't
>> > think anyone Jewish cares if you worship 'false idols'.
>>
>> > As far as I can tell, the Torah doesn't authorize the imposition of
>> > the Jewish
>> > faith on anyone, unlike the holey koran.
>>
>> Were the people in the cities who were massacred in the Jews genocides in
>> the OT Jews or non Jews?
>
> You mean the Midianites? Or the Caananites?
>
> I'm not sure if you can term these events genocides, because
> if you do then Muhammad, the prophet himself, is also guilty
> of genocide (in the slaughter of the Jews of Khybar and Ytharib/
> Medina).
>
> I'd term them genocides though. Of course they were non-Jews.
>
> But like I've said before 2500 year old atrocities don't justify
> present-day
> atrocities.

They do if people to this day justify them. And I never said the justify
Islamic atrocities. Just that other religions have blood on their hands.

comp.lang.ruby

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