Asp Forum - invalid_arity method similar to method missing ?

didier.prophete

1/16/2006 7:40:00 PM

all,

Is there a function similar to method_missing when an existing method
is called with the wrong number of arguments ?

Suppose I have a class:
class MyClass
def my_func(var1, var2)
end
end

And then I end up calling:
MyClass.new.my_func

As expected, I end up getting an ArgumentError exception ('wrong number
of arguments...). Is there a way to catch these... something like a
'method_missing' (method_missing doesn't get called since the method
exists...)

-Didier

ps: obviously, for simple problems, I could end up using some default
argument values, but it won't work for the (real and more complex)
problem I am trying to solve...

10 Answers

J L Loy

11/29/2012 12:25:00 AM

Real name Robert. Robert is a 4' 6" pygmy nigger, probably wider than
he is tall. He is an extreme deadbeat having been found guilty of
trying to steal from Capital One and even had his cellphone
confiscated for non-payment. Also, his mutant wife dumped him several
years ago...

Robert W Westergom (59 years old)
(Ex-wife) Erika Westergom (previously at Borders in Chestnut Hill, PA)
2524 Ebright Rd
Wilmington, DE 19810
(302) 475-5496

He claims to live in Philly but has never posted from Philly. He
mainly posts from a Delaware Public Library or a Barnes & Noble in the
Wilmington, DE, area using free wifi. He also uses free Google Groups
on a borrowed laptop. In his entire life he has contributed
absolutely nothing to society. Lies frequently but after many
beatings has become another usenet zoo monkey. Liars, once they have
been exposed, frequently revert to behavior most similar to a zoo
monkey who sits in the cage throwing feces at passersby but saying
nothing of value. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

[][][][][][]

The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallof... asks
"Why do you always LIE?"

On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 11:43:47 -0700 (PDT), robw <noddy093@comcast.net>
wrote:
>Tell us the last time a Repub was mayor of Philly.

Why would you care? You don't live in Philly, you have never lived in
Philly, you have never posted from Philly, you live in Delaware and
have only posted from Delaware. No one knows why you hate Delaware
and pretend to be from Philly but that LIE was exposed looong ago...

Anyway...

1952.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Ph...

>Tell us how Philly was so pro Obama that it nearly
>carried the entire state.

Oops! Caught lying...

Population, Philadelphia: 1,528,306
Population, Pennsylvania: 12,742,886
www.google.com/publicdata

Philadelphia, Obama: 595,980 votes
Pennsylvania, Obama: 3,276,363 votes
http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/ElectionsInformation.aspx?FunctionID=12&Ele...

18.2% is NOT "nearly carried the entire state."

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Maxine Crain-Gibbons

11/29/2012 12:25:00 AM

I Simon

11/29/2012 12:25:00 AM

Real name Robert. Robert is a 4' 6" pygmy nigger, probably wider than
he is tall. He is an extreme deadbeat having been found guilty of
trying to steal from Capital One and even had his cellphone
confiscated for non-payment. Also, his mutant wife dumped him several
years ago...

Robert W Westergom (59 years old)
(Ex-wife) Erika Westergom (previously at Borders in Chestnut Hill, PA)
2524 Ebright Rd
Wilmington, DE 19810
(302) 475-5496

He claims to live in Philly but has never posted from Philly. He
mainly posts from a Delaware Public Library or a Barnes & Noble in the
Wilmington, DE, area using free wifi. He also uses free Google Groups
on a borrowed laptop. In his entire life he has contributed
absolutely nothing to society. Lies frequently but after many
beatings has become another usenet zoo monkey. Liars, once they have
been exposed, frequently revert to behavior most similar to a zoo
monkey who sits in the cage throwing feces at passersby but saying
nothing of value. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

[][][][][][]

The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallof... asks
"Why do you always LIE?"

[Courtesy of Buster Norris]

On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 10:38:31 -0700 (PDT), robw <noddy093@comcast.net>
wrote:
>On Jun 10, 1:33 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>Hey, do you actually think it is cool to use the name
>of a long ago hack writer??????

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"His studies were interrupted by military service lasting from 1945 to
1948, during which he served as a tank driver in Italy for the U.S.
Army."

He was a WWII combat vet, you are a coward who never served...........

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"After graduating from Harvard, he attended King's College at
Cambridge University in England. He earned a second bachelor's degree
at Cambridge and took a master's in English there in 1952."

He graduated Harvard and Cambridge, you have a GED from inner city
Delaware..................

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Researcher and writer Samuel Arbesman filed with NASA to name an
asteroid after George Plimpton; NASA issued the certificate in 2009."

He has an asteroid named after him, you have a toilet named after you
at a truck stop diner in Delaware.................

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He had 4 children, you have zero children because you're an impotent
cripple...........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg...

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Steve

11/29/2012 12:38:00 AM

On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:14:29 -0800 (PST), robw <noddy093@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On Nov 28, 7:05?pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 14:24:50 -0800 (PST), robw <noddy...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Nov 26, 9:36 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:59:10 -0800 (PST), robw <noddy...@comcast.net>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >On Nov 26, 5:49 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 07:25:50 -0800 (PST), wy <w...@myself.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >On Nov 26, 4:41 am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:10:37 -0600, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >On 11/25/2012 04:28 AM, Steve wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:59:21 -0600, "NotMe" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >>> "Steve" <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >>>news:3c52b8p4ub736gtlbfctli464m3ilvfgbl@4ax.com...
>> >> >> >> >>>> On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 11:52:27 -0600, "NotMe" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>> "Steve" <
>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You do understand that many employers now track their employees
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> via
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> GPS. What is the difference here?
>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Someone else is doing it so it must be OK?
>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well for one, they make the tracking a condition for a "right" to
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> an
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> education.
>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> They intend to broadcast social security numbers?
>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> How do you feel about getting your own RFID? To prevent voter
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> fraud,
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> or child abuse, or illegal aliens, or to provide marketing info,
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> or?
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Doubtless someone will come up with some way to make it seem
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> innocuous
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> and palatable. What then?
>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> It's called a 'cell phone' and is very easily tracked.
>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Only to the tower you are hooked up with if one knows how to set the
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> phone.
>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> I was directly involved in the industy standards drafting process.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Regardless of what you've been told the devices can be tracked with
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> considerable ease and accuracy.
>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> <LOL> You've been watching too much TV.
>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> All modern cell phones include GPS chips and can be used for door to
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> door navigation without the need for towers.
>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Indeed, and it can be shut off, hence my reference to how to set the
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> phone.
>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>> Some (many, most?) of the current phones cannot be totally disabled with
>> >> >> >> >>>>> the
>> >> >> >> >>>>> on/off switch.
>>
>> >> >> >> >>>> I wasn't even referring to the on/off switch. The GPS can be shut
>> >> >> >> >>>> down by turning off the location services. With GPS off, it may use
>> >> >> >> >>>> wifi of cell towers for a general location. Of course, one can shut
>> >> >> >> >>>> off wifi too. I have no reason for either of those to be on. If one
>> >> >> >> >>>> imagines that they can be tracked, they can simply carry it in a photo
>> >> >> >> >>>> film shield bag.
>>
>> >> >> >> >>> "it can be shut off" if you were not referring to the on/off switch ...
>>
>> >> >> >> >> I was referring to shutting off the location services, sometimes
>> >> >> >> >> referred to as the GPS. I'll try to speak slower next time.
>>
>> >> >> >> >>> The same can be accomplished by leaving the phone home which either case
>> >> >> >> >>> defeats the purpose of having a cell phone.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> My phone functions quite nicely with the location service and the WIFI
>> >> >> >> >> shut off,
>>
>> >> >> >> >Steve, I am not any sort of electronics engineer, but a number of years
>> >> >> >> >ago I had the experience of setting up the phones for a show at the
>> >> >> >> >Memphis convention center. The name of the show was the National
>> >> >> >> >Technical Investigator's Show. Believe me, what I saw there tells me
>> >> >> >> >that there is much that these folks can do, that we are not at all aware
>> >> >> >> >of. It would not surprise me at all if there is a piece of software
>> >> >> >> >capable of surreptitiously turning on your location services and of
>> >> >> >> >tracking you without your knowledge.
>>
>> >> >> >> Of course the technology is available, but if it was happening, you'd
>> >> >> >> have legitimate technical people discovering it and legitimate news
>> >> >> >> sources telling us about it and the cell phone manufacturer would be
>> >> >> >> put out of business because nobody would buy their products... ever
>> >> >> >> again. It'd be a huge risk for them to take because there are plenty
>> >> >> >> of people with the tech knowledge to spot it, not to mention a whistle
>> >> >> >> blower inside the company, and there are plenty of legitimate news
>> >> >> >> sources eager to report something like that.
>>
>> >> >> >So if the FBI is using your phone to track your pedophile ways without
>> >> >> >you knowing about it and they snare you in a trap and haul you off to
>> >> >> >prison as a result, why would "legitimate" people care about such
>> >> >> >technology if it helped keep you off the street? The last people to
>> >> >> >suffer would be the cell phone manufacturer, especially since they
>> >> >> >have nothing to do with whatever software is injected into your phone
>> >> >> >by any outside parties. That'd be like saying GM is responsible for
>> >> >> >the brakes that failed on your car after someone who hates you
>> >> >> >tampered with them. Boy, you're fundamentally stupid, but keep using
>> >> >> >that phone of yours and act like no one's snooping, maybe with luck
>> >> >> >you will end up locked up one day. That day can't come to soon.
>>
>> >> >> It's easy to see that wy doesn't need and cannot afford a cellphone.
>> >> >> The old frump has no friends or family... and probably the reason wy
>> >> >> doesn't need a car is that he/she is obese and wanders about the
>> >> >> singlewide in one of those government financed electric wheelchairs.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >> >your fantasy world is amazing.
>>
>> >> <LOL> That's from Robbiegirl Westergoon who is still pretending to be
>> >> married and still claiming to live in Philadelphia... when the facts
>> >> show that he lives alone in an upstairs apartment in Delaware.
>>
>> >> It's clear that his wife left him and it's likely that he doesn't have
>> >> a job.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >and you'e come to this........................how?
>> >addresses over a decade old?
>> >addresses usd as offices or studios?
>>
>> You really need to stop the charade, Westergoon. ?I know your current
>> address, I know her current address. ?They are not the same and
>> neither one is in Philadelphia. ?You don't have an office and you
>> don't have a studio. ? Your apartment is cheap and sort of shabby so I
>> doubt you have a job.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>and my address would be.........................?????

The one on this document..

http://courtconnect.courts.delaware.gov/public/ck_public_qry_doct.cp_dktrpt_docket_report?backto=J&case_id=U...

robw

11/29/2012 12:42:00 AM

On Nov 28, 7:37 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:14:29 -0800 (PST), robw <noddy...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Nov 28, 7:05 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 14:24:50 -0800 (PST), robw <noddy...@comcast.net>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >On Nov 26, 9:36 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:59:10 -0800 (PST), robw <noddy...@comcast.net>
> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >On Nov 26, 5:49 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 07:25:50 -0800 (PST), wy <w...@myself.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >On Nov 26, 4:41 am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:10:37 -0600, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com>
> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> >On 11/25/2012 04:28 AM, Steve wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:59:21 -0600, "NotMe" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> >>> "Steve" <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> >>>news:3c52b8p4ub736gtlbfctli464m3ilvfgbl@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> >> >>>> On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 11:52:27 -0600, "NotMe" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>> "Steve" <
>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You do understand that many employers now track their employees
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> via
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> GPS. What is the difference here?
>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Someone else is doing it so it must be OK?
>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well for one, they make the tracking a condition for a "right" to
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> an
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> education.
>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> They intend to broadcast social security numbers?
>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> How do you feel about getting your own RFID? To prevent voter
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> fraud,
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> or child abuse, or illegal aliens, or to provide marketing info,
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> or?
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Doubtless someone will come up with some way to make it seem
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> innocuous
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> and palatable. What then?
>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> It's called a 'cell phone' and is very easily tracked.
>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Only to the tower you are hooked up with if one knows how to set the
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> phone.
>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> I was directly involved in the industy standards drafting process.
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Regardless of what you've been told the devices can be tracked with
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> considerable ease and accuracy.
>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> <LOL> You've been watching too much TV.
>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> All modern cell phones include GPS chips and can be used for door to
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> door navigation without the need for towers.
>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Indeed, and it can be shut off, hence my reference to how to set the
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> phone.
>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>> Some (many, most?) of the current phones cannot be totally disabled with
> >> >> >> >> >>>>> the
> >> >> >> >> >>>>> on/off switch.
>
> >> >> >> >> >>>> I wasn't even referring to the on/off switch. The GPS can be shut
> >> >> >> >> >>>> down by turning off the location services. With GPS off, it may use
> >> >> >> >> >>>> wifi of cell towers for a general location. Of course, one can shut
> >> >> >> >> >>>> off wifi too. I have no reason for either of those to be on. If one
> >> >> >> >> >>>> imagines that they can be tracked, they can simply carry it in a photo
> >> >> >> >> >>>> film shield bag.
>
> >> >> >> >> >>> "it can be shut off" if you were not referring to the on/off switch ...
>
> >> >> >> >> >> I was referring to shutting off the location services, sometimes
> >> >> >> >> >> referred to as the GPS. I'll try to speak slower next time.
>
> >> >> >> >> >>> The same can be accomplished by leaving the phone home which either case
> >> >> >> >> >>> defeats the purpose of having a cell phone.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> My phone functions quite nicely with the location service and the WIFI
> >> >> >> >> >> shut off,
>
> >> >> >> >> >Steve, I am not any sort of electronics engineer, but a number of years
> >> >> >> >> >ago I had the experience of setting up the phones for a show at the
> >> >> >> >> >Memphis convention center. The name of the show was the National
> >> >> >> >> >Technical Investigator's Show. Believe me, what I saw there tells me
> >> >> >> >> >that there is much that these folks can do, that we are not at all aware
> >> >> >> >> >of. It would not surprise me at all if there is a piece of software
> >> >> >> >> >capable of surreptitiously turning on your location services and of
> >> >> >> >> >tracking you without your knowledge.
>
> >> >> >> >> Of course the technology is available, but if it was happening, you'd
> >> >> >> >> have legitimate technical people discovering it and legitimate news
> >> >> >> >> sources telling us about it and the cell phone manufacturer would be
> >> >> >> >> put out of business because nobody would buy their products.... ever
> >> >> >> >> again. It'd be a huge risk for them to take because there are plenty
> >> >> >> >> of people with the tech knowledge to spot it, not to mention a whistle
> >> >> >> >> blower inside the company, and there are plenty of legitimate news
> >> >> >> >> sources eager to report something like that.
>
> >> >> >> >So if the FBI is using your phone to track your pedophile ways without
> >> >> >> >you knowing about it and they snare you in a trap and haul you off to
> >> >> >> >prison as a result, why would "legitimate" people care about such
> >> >> >> >technology if it helped keep you off the street? The last people to
> >> >> >> >suffer would be the cell phone manufacturer, especially since they
> >> >> >> >have nothing to do with whatever software is injected into your phone
> >> >> >> >by any outside parties. That'd be like saying GM is responsible for
> >> >> >> >the brakes that failed on your car after someone who hates you
> >> >> >> >tampered with them. Boy, you're fundamentally stupid, but keep using
> >> >> >> >that phone of yours and act like no one's snooping, maybe with luck
> >> >> >> >you will end up locked up one day. That day can't come to soon.
>
> >> >> >> It's easy to see that wy doesn't need and cannot afford a cellphone.
> >> >> >> The old frump has no friends or family... and probably the reason wy
> >> >> >> doesn't need a car is that he/she is obese and wanders about the
> >> >> >> singlewide in one of those government financed electric wheelchairs.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> >> >your fantasy world is amazing.
>
> >> >> <LOL> That's from Robbiegirl Westergoon who is still pretending to be
> >> >> married and still claiming to live in Philadelphia... when the facts
> >> >> show that he lives alone in an upstairs apartment in Delaware.
>
> >> >> It's clear that his wife left him and it's likely that he doesn't have
> >> >> a job.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> >and you'e come to this........................how?
> >> >addresses over a decade old?
> >> >addresses usd as offices or studios?
>
> >> You really need to stop the charade, Westergoon. I know your current
> >> address, I know her current address. They are not the same and
> >> neither one is in Philadelphia. You don't have an office and you
> >> don't have a studio. Your apartment is cheap and sort of shabby so I
> >> doubt you have a job.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >and my address would be.........................?????
>
> The one on this document..
>
> http://courtconnect.courts.delaware.gov/public/ck_public_qry_do... Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

which was the space we rented a few years ago.
it was not our primary living quarters but a space we used for our art
and as an office.

it also wasn't on the second floor.

anything else?

Steve

11/29/2012 12:49:00 AM

On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:41:54 -0800 (PST), robw <noddy093@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On Nov 28, 7:37?pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:14:29 -0800 (PST), robw <noddy...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Nov 28, 7:05 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 14:24:50 -0800 (PST), robw <noddy...@comcast.net>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >On Nov 26, 9:36 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:59:10 -0800 (PST), robw <noddy...@comcast.net>
>> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >On Nov 26, 5:49 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 07:25:50 -0800 (PST), wy <w...@myself.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >On Nov 26, 4:41 am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:10:37 -0600, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com>
>> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >On 11/25/2012 04:28 AM, Steve wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:59:21 -0600, "NotMe" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> "Steve" <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >> >>>news:3c52b8p4ub736gtlbfctli464m3ilvfgbl@4ax.com...
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 11:52:27 -0600, "NotMe" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>> "Steve" <
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You do understand that many employers now track their employees
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> via
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> GPS. What is the difference here?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Someone else is doing it so it must be OK?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well for one, they make the tracking a condition for a "right" to
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> an
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> education.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> They intend to broadcast social security numbers?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> How do you feel about getting your own RFID? To prevent voter
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> fraud,
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> or child abuse, or illegal aliens, or to provide marketing info,
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> or?
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Doubtless someone will come up with some way to make it seem
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> innocuous
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> and palatable. What then?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> It's called a 'cell phone' and is very easily tracked.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Only to the tower you are hooked up with if one knows how to set the
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> phone.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> I was directly involved in the industy standards drafting process.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Regardless of what you've been told the devices can be tracked with
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> considerable ease and accuracy.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> <LOL> You've been watching too much TV.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> All modern cell phones include GPS chips and can be used for door to
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> door navigation without the need for towers.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Indeed, and it can be shut off, hence my reference to how to set the
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> phone.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>> Some (many, most?) of the current phones cannot be totally disabled with
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>> the
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>> on/off switch.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> I wasn't even referring to the on/off switch. The GPS can be shut
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> down by turning off the location services. With GPS off, it may use
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> wifi of cell towers for a general location. Of course, one can shut
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> off wifi too. I have no reason for either of those to be on. If one
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> imagines that they can be tracked, they can simply carry it in a photo
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> film shield bag.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> "it can be shut off" if you were not referring to the on/off switch ...
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> I was referring to shutting off the location services, sometimes
>> >> >> >> >> >> referred to as the GPS. I'll try to speak slower next time.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> The same can be accomplished by leaving the phone home which either case
>> >> >> >> >> >>> defeats the purpose of having a cell phone.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> My phone functions quite nicely with the location service and the WIFI
>> >> >> >> >> >> shut off,
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >Steve, I am not any sort of electronics engineer, but a number of years
>> >> >> >> >> >ago I had the experience of setting up the phones for a show at the
>> >> >> >> >> >Memphis convention center. The name of the show was the National
>> >> >> >> >> >Technical Investigator's Show. Believe me, what I saw there tells me
>> >> >> >> >> >that there is much that these folks can do, that we are not at all aware
>> >> >> >> >> >of. It would not surprise me at all if there is a piece of software
>> >> >> >> >> >capable of surreptitiously turning on your location services and of
>> >> >> >> >> >tracking you without your knowledge.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Of course the technology is available, but if it was happening, you'd
>> >> >> >> >> have legitimate technical people discovering it and legitimate news
>> >> >> >> >> sources telling us about it and the cell phone manufacturer would be
>> >> >> >> >> put out of business because nobody would buy their products... ever
>> >> >> >> >> again. It'd be a huge risk for them to take because there are plenty
>> >> >> >> >> of people with the tech knowledge to spot it, not to mention a whistle
>> >> >> >> >> blower inside the company, and there are plenty of legitimate news
>> >> >> >> >> sources eager to report something like that.
>>
>> >> >> >> >So if the FBI is using your phone to track your pedophile ways without
>> >> >> >> >you knowing about it and they snare you in a trap and haul you off to
>> >> >> >> >prison as a result, why would "legitimate" people care about such
>> >> >> >> >technology if it helped keep you off the street? The last people to
>> >> >> >> >suffer would be the cell phone manufacturer, especially since they
>> >> >> >> >have nothing to do with whatever software is injected into your phone
>> >> >> >> >by any outside parties. That'd be like saying GM is responsible for
>> >> >> >> >the brakes that failed on your car after someone who hates you
>> >> >> >> >tampered with them. Boy, you're fundamentally stupid, but keep using
>> >> >> >> >that phone of yours and act like no one's snooping, maybe with luck
>> >> >> >> >you will end up locked up one day. That day can't come to soon.
>>
>> >> >> >> It's easy to see that wy doesn't need and cannot afford a cellphone.
>> >> >> >> The old frump has no friends or family... and probably the reason wy
>> >> >> >> doesn't need a car is that he/she is obese and wanders about the
>> >> >> >> singlewide in one of those government financed electric wheelchairs.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >> >> >your fantasy world is amazing.
>>
>> >> >> <LOL> That's from Robbiegirl Westergoon who is still pretending to be
>> >> >> married and still claiming to live in Philadelphia... when the facts
>> >> >> show that he lives alone in an upstairs apartment in Delaware.
>>
>> >> >> It's clear that his wife left him and it's likely that he doesn't have
>> >> >> a job.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >> >and you'e come to this........................how?
>> >> >addresses over a decade old?
>> >> >addresses usd as offices or studios?
>>
>> >> You really need to stop the charade, Westergoon. I know your current
>> >> address, I know her current address. They are not the same and
>> >> neither one is in Philadelphia. You don't have an office and you
>> >> don't have a studio. Your apartment is cheap and sort of shabby so I
>> >> doubt you have a job.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >and my address would be.........................?????
>>
>> The one on this document..
>>
>> http://courtconnect.courts.delaware.gov/public/ck_public_qry_do... Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>which was the space we rented a few years ago.
>it was not our primary living quarters but a space we used for our art
>and as an office.
>
>it also wasn't on the second floor.
>
>anything else?

<LOL> You lie, Westergoon... but not very good.

robw

11/29/2012 12:58:00 AM

On Nov 28, 7:49 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:41:54 -0800 (PST), robw <noddy...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Nov 28, 7:37 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:14:29 -0800 (PST), robw <noddy...@comcast.net>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >On Nov 28, 7:05 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 14:24:50 -0800 (PST), robw <noddy...@comcast.net>
> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >On Nov 26, 9:36 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:59:10 -0800 (PST), robw <noddy...@comcast..net>
> >> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >On Nov 26, 5:49 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 07:25:50 -0800 (PST), wy <w...@myself.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >On Nov 26, 4:41 am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:10:37 -0600, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com>
> >> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >On 11/25/2012 04:28 AM, Steve wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:59:21 -0600, "NotMe" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>> "Steve" <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>news:3c52b8p4ub736gtlbfctli464m3ilvfgbl@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 11:52:27 -0600, "NotMe" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> "Steve" <
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You do understand that many employers now track their employees
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> via
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> GPS. What is the difference here?
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Someone else is doing it so it must be OK?
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well for one, they make the tracking a condition for a "right" to
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> an
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> education.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> They intend to broadcast social security numbers?
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> How do you feel about getting your own RFID? To prevent voter
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> fraud,
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> or child abuse, or illegal aliens, or to provide marketing info,
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> or?
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Doubtless someone will come up with some way to make it seem
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> innocuous
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> and palatable. What then?
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> It's called a 'cell phone' and is very easily tracked.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Only to the tower you are hooked up with if one knows how to set the
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> phone.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> I was directly involved in the industy standards drafting process.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Regardless of what you've been told the devices can be tracked with
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> considerable ease and accuracy.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> <LOL> You've been watching too much TV.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> All modern cell phones include GPS chips and can be used for door to
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> door navigation without the need for towers.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Indeed, and it can be shut off, hence my reference to how to set the
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> phone.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> Some (many, most?) of the current phones cannot be totally disabled with
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> the
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> on/off switch.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> I wasn't even referring to the on/off switch. The GPS can be shut
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> down by turning off the location services. With GPS off, it may use
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> wifi of cell towers for a general location. Of course, one can shut
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> off wifi too. I have no reason for either of those to be on. If one
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> imagines that they can be tracked, they can simply carry it in a photo
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> film shield bag.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>> "it can be shut off" if you were not referring to the on/off switch ...
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> I was referring to shutting off the location services, sometimes
> >> >> >> >> >> >> referred to as the GPS. I'll try to speak slower next time.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>> The same can be accomplished by leaving the phone home which either case
> >> >> >> >> >> >>> defeats the purpose of having a cell phone.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> My phone functions quite nicely with the location service and the WIFI
> >> >> >> >> >> >> shut off,
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >Steve, I am not any sort of electronics engineer, but a number of years
> >> >> >> >> >> >ago I had the experience of setting up the phones for a show at the
> >> >> >> >> >> >Memphis convention center. The name of the show was the National
> >> >> >> >> >> >Technical Investigator's Show. Believe me, what I saw there tells me
> >> >> >> >> >> >that there is much that these folks can do, that we are not at all aware
> >> >> >> >> >> >of. It would not surprise me at all if there is a piece of software
> >> >> >> >> >> >capable of surreptitiously turning on your location services and of
> >> >> >> >> >> >tracking you without your knowledge.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> Of course the technology is available, but if it was happening, you'd
> >> >> >> >> >> have legitimate technical people discovering it and legitimate news
> >> >> >> >> >> sources telling us about it and the cell phone manufacturer would be
> >> >> >> >> >> put out of business because nobody would buy their products... ever
> >> >> >> >> >> again. It'd be a huge risk for them to take because there are plenty
> >> >> >> >> >> of people with the tech knowledge to spot it, not to mention a whistle
> >> >> >> >> >> blower inside the company, and there are plenty of legitimate news
> >> >> >> >> >> sources eager to report something like that.
>
> >> >> >> >> >So if the FBI is using your phone to track your pedophile ways without
> >> >> >> >> >you knowing about it and they snare you in a trap and haul you off to
> >> >> >> >> >prison as a result, why would "legitimate" people care about such
> >> >> >> >> >technology if it helped keep you off the street? The last people to
> >> >> >> >> >suffer would be the cell phone manufacturer, especially since they
> >> >> >> >> >have nothing to do with whatever software is injected into your phone
> >> >> >> >> >by any outside parties. That'd be like saying GM is responsible for
> >> >> >> >> >the brakes that failed on your car after someone who hates you
> >> >> >> >> >tampered with them. Boy, you're fundamentally stupid, but keep using
> >> >> >> >> >that phone of yours and act like no one's snooping, maybe with luck
> >> >> >> >> >you will end up locked up one day. That day can't come to soon.
>
> >> >> >> >> It's easy to see that wy doesn't need and cannot afford a cellphone.
> >> >> >> >> The old frump has no friends or family... and probably the reason wy
> >> >> >> >> doesn't need a car is that he/she is obese and wanders about the
> >> >> >> >> singlewide in one of those government financed electric wheelchairs.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> >> >> >your fantasy world is amazing.
>
> >> >> >> <LOL> That's from Robbiegirl Westergoon who is still pretending to be
> >> >> >> married and still claiming to live in Philadelphia... when the facts
> >> >> >> show that he lives alone in an upstairs apartment in Delaware.
>
> >> >> >> It's clear that his wife left him and it's likely that he doesn't have
> >> >> >> a job.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> >> >and you'e come to this........................how?
> >> >> >addresses over a decade old?
> >> >> >addresses usd as offices or studios?
>
> >> >> You really need to stop the charade, Westergoon. I know your current
> >> >> address, I know her current address. They are not the same and
> >> >> neither one is in Philadelphia. You don't have an office and you
> >> >> don't have a studio. Your apartment is cheap and sort of shabby so I
> >> >> doubt you have a job.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> >and my address would be.........................?????
>
> >> The one on this document..
>
> >>http://courtconnect.courts.delaware.gov/public/ck_public_qry_doct.c... quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >which was the space we rented a few years ago.
> >it was not our primary living quarters but a space we used for our art
> >and as an office.
>
> >it also wasn't on the second floor.
>
> >anything else?
>
> <LOL> You lie, Westergoon... but not very good.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

then i encourage you to go to that address and knock on the door.

Steve

11/29/2012 1:01:00 AM

On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:58:24 -0800 (PST), robw <noddy093@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On Nov 28, 7:49?pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:41:54 -0800 (PST), robw <noddy...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Nov 28, 7:37 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:14:29 -0800 (PST), robw <noddy...@comcast.net>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >On Nov 28, 7:05 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 14:24:50 -0800 (PST), robw <noddy...@comcast.net>
>> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >On Nov 26, 9:36 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:59:10 -0800 (PST), robw <noddy...@comcast.net>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >On Nov 26, 5:49 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 07:25:50 -0800 (PST), wy <w...@myself.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >On Nov 26, 4:41 am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:10:37 -0600, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com>
>> >> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >On 11/25/2012 04:28 AM, Steve wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:59:21 -0600, "NotMe" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> "Steve" <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>news:3c52b8p4ub736gtlbfctli464m3ilvfgbl@4ax.com...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 11:52:27 -0600, "NotMe" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> "Steve" <
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You do understand that many employers now track their employees
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> via
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> GPS. What is the difference here?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Someone else is doing it so it must be OK?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well for one, they make the tracking a condition for a "right" to
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> an
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> education.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> They intend to broadcast social security numbers?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> How do you feel about getting your own RFID? To prevent voter
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> fraud,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> or child abuse, or illegal aliens, or to provide marketing info,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> or?
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Doubtless someone will come up with some way to make it seem
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> innocuous
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> and palatable. What then?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> It's called a 'cell phone' and is very easily tracked.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Only to the tower you are hooked up with if one knows how to set the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> phone.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> I was directly involved in the industy standards drafting process.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Regardless of what you've been told the devices can be tracked with
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> considerable ease and accuracy.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> <LOL> You've been watching too much TV.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> All modern cell phones include GPS chips and can be used for door to
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> door navigation without the need for towers.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Indeed, and it can be shut off, hence my reference to how to set the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> phone.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> Some (many, most?) of the current phones cannot be totally disabled with
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> on/off switch.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> I wasn't even referring to the on/off switch. The GPS can be shut
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> down by turning off the location services. With GPS off, it may use
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> wifi of cell towers for a general location. Of course, one can shut
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> off wifi too. I have no reason for either of those to be on. If one
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> imagines that they can be tracked, they can simply carry it in a photo
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> film shield bag.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> "it can be shut off" if you were not referring to the on/off switch ...
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> I was referring to shutting off the location services, sometimes
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> referred to as the GPS. I'll try to speak slower next time.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> The same can be accomplished by leaving the phone home which either case
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> defeats the purpose of having a cell phone.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> My phone functions quite nicely with the location service and the WIFI
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> shut off,
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >Steve, I am not any sort of electronics engineer, but a number of years
>> >> >> >> >> >> >ago I had the experience of setting up the phones for a show at the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >Memphis convention center. The name of the show was the National
>> >> >> >> >> >> >Technical Investigator's Show. Believe me, what I saw there tells me
>> >> >> >> >> >> >that there is much that these folks can do, that we are not at all aware
>> >> >> >> >> >> >of. It would not surprise me at all if there is a piece of software
>> >> >> >> >> >> >capable of surreptitiously turning on your location services and of
>> >> >> >> >> >> >tracking you without your knowledge.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Of course the technology is available, but if it was happening, you'd
>> >> >> >> >> >> have legitimate technical people discovering it and legitimate news
>> >> >> >> >> >> sources telling us about it and the cell phone manufacturer would be
>> >> >> >> >> >> put out of business because nobody would buy their products... ever
>> >> >> >> >> >> again. It'd be a huge risk for them to take because there are plenty
>> >> >> >> >> >> of people with the tech knowledge to spot it, not to mention a whistle
>> >> >> >> >> >> blower inside the company, and there are plenty of legitimate news
>> >> >> >> >> >> sources eager to report something like that.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >So if the FBI is using your phone to track your pedophile ways without
>> >> >> >> >> >you knowing about it and they snare you in a trap and haul you off to
>> >> >> >> >> >prison as a result, why would "legitimate" people care about such
>> >> >> >> >> >technology if it helped keep you off the street? The last people to
>> >> >> >> >> >suffer would be the cell phone manufacturer, especially since they
>> >> >> >> >> >have nothing to do with whatever software is injected into your phone
>> >> >> >> >> >by any outside parties. That'd be like saying GM is responsible for
>> >> >> >> >> >the brakes that failed on your car after someone who hates you
>> >> >> >> >> >tampered with them. Boy, you're fundamentally stupid, but keep using
>> >> >> >> >> >that phone of yours and act like no one's snooping, maybe with luck
>> >> >> >> >> >you will end up locked up one day. That day can't come to soon.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> It's easy to see that wy doesn't need and cannot afford a cellphone.
>> >> >> >> >> The old frump has no friends or family... and probably the reason wy
>> >> >> >> >> doesn't need a car is that he/she is obese and wanders about the
>> >> >> >> >> singlewide in one of those government financed electric wheelchairs.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >> >> >> >your fantasy world is amazing.
>>
>> >> >> >> <LOL> That's from Robbiegirl Westergoon who is still pretending to be
>> >> >> >> married and still claiming to live in Philadelphia... when the facts
>> >> >> >> show that he lives alone in an upstairs apartment in Delaware.
>>
>> >> >> >> It's clear that his wife left him and it's likely that he doesn't have
>> >> >> >> a job.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >> >> >and you'e come to this........................how?
>> >> >> >addresses over a decade old?
>> >> >> >addresses usd as offices or studios?
>>
>> >> >> You really need to stop the charade, Westergoon. I know your current
>> >> >> address, I know her current address. They are not the same and
>> >> >> neither one is in Philadelphia. You don't have an office and you
>> >> >> don't have a studio. Your apartment is cheap and sort of shabby so I
>> >> >> doubt you have a job.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >> >and my address would be.........................?????
>>
>> >> The one on this document..
>>
>> >>http://courtconnect.courts.delaware.gov/public/ck_public_qry_doct.... quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >which was the space we rented a few years ago.
>> >it was not our primary living quarters but a space we used for our art
>> >and as an office.
>>
>> >it also wasn't on the second floor.
>>
>> >anything else?
>>
>> <LOL> ?You lie, Westergoon... ? but not very good.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>then i encourage you to go to that address and knock on the door.

<LOL> As if you were worth the trip, Loser.

robw

11/29/2012 1:04:00 AM

On Nov 28, 8:00 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:58:24 -0800 (PST), robw <noddy...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Nov 28, 7:49 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:41:54 -0800 (PST), robw <noddy...@comcast.net>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >On Nov 28, 7:37 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:14:29 -0800 (PST), robw <noddy...@comcast.net>
> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >On Nov 28, 7:05 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 14:24:50 -0800 (PST), robw <noddy...@comcast..net>
> >> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >On Nov 26, 9:36 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:59:10 -0800 (PST), robw <noddy...@comcast.net>
> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> >On Nov 26, 5:49 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 07:25:50 -0800 (PST), wy <w...@myself.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >On Nov 26, 4:41 am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:10:37 -0600, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On 11/25/2012 04:28 AM, Steve wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:59:21 -0600, "NotMe" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> "Steve" <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>news:3c52b8p4ub736gtlbfctli464m3ilvfgbl@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 11:52:27 -0600, "NotMe" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> "Steve" <
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You do understand that many employers now track their employees
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> via
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> GPS. What is the difference here?
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Someone else is doing it so it must be OK?
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well for one, they make the tracking a condition for a "right" to
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> an
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> education.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> They intend to broadcast social security numbers?
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> How do you feel about getting your own RFID? To prevent voter
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> fraud,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> or child abuse, or illegal aliens, or to provide marketing info,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> or?
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Doubtless someone will come up with some way to make it seem
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> innocuous
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> and palatable. What then?
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> It's called a 'cell phone' and is very easily tracked.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Only to the tower you are hooked up with if one knows how to set the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> phone.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> I was directly involved in the industy standards drafting process.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Regardless of what you've been told the devices can be tracked with
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> considerable ease and accuracy.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> <LOL> You've been watching too much TV.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> All modern cell phones include GPS chips and can be used for door to
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> door navigation without the need for towers.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Indeed, and it can be shut off, hence my reference to how to set the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> phone.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> Some (many, most?) of the current phones cannot be totally disabled with
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> on/off switch.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> I wasn't even referring to the on/off switch. The GPS can be shut
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> down by turning off the location services. With GPS off, it may use
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> wifi of cell towers for a general location. Of course, one can shut
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> off wifi too. I have no reason for either of those to be on. If one
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> imagines that they can be tracked, they can simply carry it in a photo
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> film shield bag.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> "it can be shut off" if you were not referring to the on/off switch ...
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I was referring to shutting off the location services, sometimes
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> referred to as the GPS. I'll try to speak slower next time.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> The same can be accomplished by leaving the phone home which either case
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> defeats the purpose of having a cell phone.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> My phone functions quite nicely with the location service and the WIFI
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> shut off,
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Steve, I am not any sort of electronics engineer, but a number of years
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >ago I had the experience of setting up the phones for a show at the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Memphis convention center. The name of the show was the National
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Technical Investigator's Show. Believe me, what I saw there tells me
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >that there is much that these folks can do, that we are not at all aware
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >of. It would not surprise me at all if there is a piece of software
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >capable of surreptitiously turning on your location services and of
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >tracking you without your knowledge.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Of course the technology is available, but if it was happening, you'd
> >> >> >> >> >> >> have legitimate technical people discovering it and legitimate news
> >> >> >> >> >> >> sources telling us about it and the cell phone manufacturer would be
> >> >> >> >> >> >> put out of business because nobody would buy their products... ever
> >> >> >> >> >> >> again. It'd be a huge risk for them to take because there are plenty
> >> >> >> >> >> >> of people with the tech knowledge to spot it, not to mention a whistle
> >> >> >> >> >> >> blower inside the company, and there are plenty of legitimate news
> >> >> >> >> >> >> sources eager to report something like that.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >So if the FBI is using your phone to track your pedophile ways without
> >> >> >> >> >> >you knowing about it and they snare you in a trap and haul you off to
> >> >> >> >> >> >prison as a result, why would "legitimate" people care about such
> >> >> >> >> >> >technology if it helped keep you off the street? The last people to
> >> >> >> >> >> >suffer would be the cell phone manufacturer, especially since they
> >> >> >> >> >> >have nothing to do with whatever software is injected into your phone
> >> >> >> >> >> >by any outside parties. That'd be like saying GM is responsible for
> >> >> >> >> >> >the brakes that failed on your car after someone who hates you
> >> >> >> >> >> >tampered with them. Boy, you're fundamentally stupid, but keep using
> >> >> >> >> >> >that phone of yours and act like no one's snooping, maybe with luck
> >> >> >> >> >> >you will end up locked up one day. That day can't come to soon.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> It's easy to see that wy doesn't need and cannot afford a cellphone.
> >> >> >> >> >> The old frump has no friends or family... and probably the reason wy
> >> >> >> >> >> doesn't need a car is that he/she is obese and wanders about the
> >> >> >> >> >> singlewide in one of those government financed electric wheelchairs.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> >> >> >> >your fantasy world is amazing.
>
> >> >> >> >> <LOL> That's from Robbiegirl Westergoon who is still pretending to be
> >> >> >> >> married and still claiming to live in Philadelphia... when the facts
> >> >> >> >> show that he lives alone in an upstairs apartment in Delaware.
>
> >> >> >> >> It's clear that his wife left him and it's likely that he doesn't have
> >> >> >> >> a job.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> >> >> >and you'e come to this........................how?
> >> >> >> >addresses over a decade old?
> >> >> >> >addresses usd as offices or studios?
>
> >> >> >> You really need to stop the charade, Westergoon. I know your current
> >> >> >> address, I know her current address. They are not the same and
> >> >> >> neither one is in Philadelphia. You don't have an office and you
> >> >> >> don't have a studio. Your apartment is cheap and sort of shabby so I
> >> >> >> doubt you have a job.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> >> >and my address would be.........................?????
>
> >> >> The one on this document..
>
> >> >>http://courtconnect.courts.delaware.gov/public/ck_public_qry_doct.cp... text -
>
> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> >which was the space we rented a few years ago.
> >> >it was not our primary living quarters but a space we used for our art
> >> >and as an office.
>
> >> >it also wasn't on the second floor.
>
> >> >anything else?
>
> >> <LOL> You lie, Westergoon... but not very good.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >then i encourage you to go to that address and knock on the door.
>
> <LOL> As if you were worth the trip, Loser.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

translation: you know neither myself nor erika would be the one
answerin g the door.

Steve

11/29/2012 1:05:00 AM

On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:03:45 -0800 (PST), robw <noddy093@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On Nov 28, 8:00?pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:58:24 -0800 (PST), robw <noddy...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Nov 28, 7:49 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:41:54 -0800 (PST), robw <noddy...@comcast.net>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >On Nov 28, 7:37 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:14:29 -0800 (PST), robw <noddy...@comcast.net>
>> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >On Nov 28, 7:05 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 14:24:50 -0800 (PST), robw <noddy...@comcast.net>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >On Nov 26, 9:36 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:59:10 -0800 (PST), robw <noddy...@comcast.net>
>> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >On Nov 26, 5:49 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 07:25:50 -0800 (PST), wy <w...@myself.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >On Nov 26, 4:41 am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:10:37 -0600, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On 11/25/2012 04:28 AM, Steve wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:59:21 -0600, "NotMe" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> "Steve" <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>news:3c52b8p4ub736gtlbfctli464m3ilvfgbl@4ax.com...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 11:52:27 -0600, "NotMe" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> "Steve" <
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You do understand that many employers now track their employees
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> via
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> GPS. What is the difference here?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Someone else is doing it so it must be OK?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well for one, they make the tracking a condition for a "right" to
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> an
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> education.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> They intend to broadcast social security numbers?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> How do you feel about getting your own RFID? To prevent voter
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> fraud,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> or child abuse, or illegal aliens, or to provide marketing info,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> or?
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Doubtless someone will come up with some way to make it seem
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> innocuous
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> and palatable. What then?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> It's called a 'cell phone' and is very easily tracked.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Only to the tower you are hooked up with if one knows how to set the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> phone.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> I was directly involved in the industy standards drafting process.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Regardless of what you've been told the devices can be tracked with
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> considerable ease and accuracy.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> <LOL> You've been watching too much TV.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> All modern cell phones include GPS chips and can be used for door to
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> door navigation without the need for towers.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Indeed, and it can be shut off, hence my reference to how to set the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> phone.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> Some (many, most?) of the current phones cannot be totally disabled with
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> on/off switch.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> I wasn't even referring to the on/off switch. The GPS can be shut
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> down by turning off the location services. With GPS off, it may use
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> wifi of cell towers for a general location. Of course, one can shut
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> off wifi too. I have no reason for either of those to be on. If one
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> imagines that they can be tracked, they can simply carry it in a photo
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> film shield bag.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> "it can be shut off" if you were not referring to the on/off switch ...
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I was referring to shutting off the location services, sometimes
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> referred to as the GPS. I'll try to speak slower next time.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> The same can be accomplished by leaving the phone home which either case
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> defeats the purpose of having a cell phone.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> My phone functions quite nicely with the location service and the WIFI
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> shut off,
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Steve, I am not any sort of electronics engineer, but a number of years
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >ago I had the experience of setting up the phones for a show at the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Memphis convention center. The name of the show was the National
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Technical Investigator's Show. Believe me, what I saw there tells me
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >that there is much that these folks can do, that we are not at all aware
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >of. It would not surprise me at all if there is a piece of software
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >capable of surreptitiously turning on your location services and of
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >tracking you without your knowledge.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Of course the technology is available, but if it was happening, you'd
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> have legitimate technical people discovering it and legitimate news
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> sources telling us about it and the cell phone manufacturer would be
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> put out of business because nobody would buy their products... ever
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> again. It'd be a huge risk for them to take because there are plenty
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> of people with the tech knowledge to spot it, not to mention a whistle
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> blower inside the company, and there are plenty of legitimate news
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> sources eager to report something like that.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >So if the FBI is using your phone to track your pedophile ways without
>> >> >> >> >> >> >you knowing about it and they snare you in a trap and haul you off to
>> >> >> >> >> >> >prison as a result, why would "legitimate" people care about such
>> >> >> >> >> >> >technology if it helped keep you off the street? The last people to
>> >> >> >> >> >> >suffer would be the cell phone manufacturer, especially since they
>> >> >> >> >> >> >have nothing to do with whatever software is injected into your phone
>> >> >> >> >> >> >by any outside parties. That'd be like saying GM is responsible for
>> >> >> >> >> >> >the brakes that failed on your car after someone who hates you
>> >> >> >> >> >> >tampered with them. Boy, you're fundamentally stupid, but keep using
>> >> >> >> >> >> >that phone of yours and act like no one's snooping, maybe with luck
>> >> >> >> >> >> >you will end up locked up one day. That day can't come to soon.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> It's easy to see that wy doesn't need and cannot afford a cellphone.
>> >> >> >> >> >> The old frump has no friends or family... and probably the reason wy
>> >> >> >> >> >> doesn't need a car is that he/she is obese and wanders about the
>> >> >> >> >> >> singlewide in one of those government financed electric wheelchairs.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >your fantasy world is amazing.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> <LOL> That's from Robbiegirl Westergoon who is still pretending to be
>> >> >> >> >> married and still claiming to live in Philadelphia... when the facts
>> >> >> >> >> show that he lives alone in an upstairs apartment in Delaware.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> It's clear that his wife left him and it's likely that he doesn't have
>> >> >> >> >> a job.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >> >> >> >and you'e come to this........................how?
>> >> >> >> >addresses over a decade old?
>> >> >> >> >addresses usd as offices or studios?
>>
>> >> >> >> You really need to stop the charade, Westergoon. I know your current
>> >> >> >> address, I know her current address. They are not the same and
>> >> >> >> neither one is in Philadelphia. You don't have an office and you
>> >> >> >> don't have a studio. Your apartment is cheap and sort of shabby so I
>> >> >> >> doubt you have a job.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >> >> >and my address would be.........................?????
>>
>> >> >> The one on this document..
>>
>> >> >>http://courtconnect.courts.delaware.gov/public/ck_public_qry_doct.cp... text -
>>
>> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >> >which was the space we rented a few years ago.
>> >> >it was not our primary living quarters but a space we used for our art
>> >> >and as an office.
>>
>> >> >it also wasn't on the second floor.
>>
>> >> >anything else?
>>
>> >> <LOL> You lie, Westergoon... but not very good.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >then i encourage you to go to that address and knock on the door.
>>
>> <LOL> ?As if you were worth the trip, Loser.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>translation: you know neither myself nor erika would be the one
>answerin g the door.

I'd know it wouldn't be her.

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