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[QUIZ] Proposed new rule

Warren Brown

1/3/2006 10:23:00 PM

> The three rules of Ruby Quiz:
>
> 1. Please do not post any solutions or spoiler
> discussion for this quiz until 48 hours have passed
> from the time on this message.
>
> 2. Support Ruby Quiz by submitting ideas as often
> as you can:
>
> http://www.rub...
>
> 3. Enjoy!

I'd like to propose a new rule (1.5?):

Please flag all submissions and discussions of quizzes by starting the
subject with the string "[QUIZ]".

I really enjoy following the discussions of the different quizzes
even though I rarely have time to do them anymore. But in a 100 to 200
message per day mailing list, it is easy to miss a submission or a
discussion when the subject line doesn't indicate that it is
quiz-related. Apparently I am not the only person having this problem,
as illustrated by one of the RRobots submissions being missed last week.

This doesn't seem like it would be a particularly burdensome rule,
and it would make things a lot easier to follow.

If we want to get really bold, the rule could also ask people
submitting solutions to start the subject with "[QUIZ][SOLUTION]" :o)

Thoughts?

- Warren Brown
38 Answers

James Gray

1/3/2006 11:05:00 PM

0

On Jan 3, 2006, at 4:23 PM, Warren Brown wrote:

>> The three rules of Ruby Quiz:
>>
>> 1. Please do not post any solutions or spoiler
>> discussion for this quiz until 48 hours have passed
>> from the time on this message.
>>
>> 2. Support Ruby Quiz by submitting ideas as often
>> as you can:
>>
>> http://www.rub...
>>
>> 3. Enjoy!
>
> I'd like to propose a new rule (1.5?):
>
> Please flag all submissions and discussions of quizzes by starting the
> subject with the string "[QUIZ]".

I'm fine with "recommending" this as long as everyone realizes that's
all it will be.

> If we want to get really bold, the rule could also ask people
> submitting solutions to start the subject with "[QUIZ][SOLUTION]" :o)

Yuck. :)

[SOLUTION] implies [QUIZ], I think, so we can drop the repatition.
Of course, now what you are suppose to put in the subject is getting
more complicated, which probably decreases the chance that it will
happen. That might be a reason to stick with just [QUIZ]. Opinions?

If the traffic is bothering people, we could also consider moving
Ruby Quiz to it's own mailing list. Do speak up, if we're bugging
you...

James Edward Gray II

Craig Demyanovich

1/3/2006 11:50:00 PM

0

I like this proposal, and I like implementing it as a "recommendation."

Regards,
Craig

Justin Bishop

1/4/2006 12:01:00 AM

0

I agree. using [SOLUTION] by itself makes sense.

I like the idea of extending this concept further. Is it already a
"recommendation" that new software announcements (or updates) have
[ANN] in their subject line?

How about [QUESTION] for people looking for programming help, as well? ;o)

-Justin

On 1/3/06, Craig Demyanovich <demmer12@fastmail.us> wrote:
> I like this proposal, and I like implementing it as a "recommendation."
>
> Regards,
> Craig
>
>

Stephen Waits

1/4/2006 12:15:00 AM

0

James Edward Gray II wrote:
> If the traffic is bothering people, we could also consider moving Ruby
> Quiz to it's own mailing list. Do speak up, if we're bugging you...

It's already threaded quite nicely. I can recall one instance, in Quiz
60, where someone posted out of thread, and that was for a new solution.

I don't mind the [QUIZ] as a "recommendation", but let's also recommend
readers be threaded. Regardless, [QUIZ] makes obvious good sense.

IMO, the quiz certainly does not need its own list.

--Steve

Ross Bamford

1/4/2006 12:26:00 AM

0

On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 23:04:45 -0000, James Edward Gray II
<james@grayproductions.net> wrote:

> If the traffic is bothering people, we could also consider moving Ruby
> Quiz to it's own mailing list. Do speak up, if we're bugging you...

I still read via the newsgroup, and I'd be sad to see the Quiz go
elsewhere. I've not been confident enough to have a go yet but I enjoy
trying them out, and learning from the solutions and discussion I see.

--
Ross Bamford - rosco@roscopeco.remove.co.uk

Ezra Zygmuntowicz

1/4/2006 12:43:00 AM

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On Jan 3, 2006, at 4:32 PM, Ross Bamford wrote:

> On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 23:04:45 -0000, James Edward Gray II
> <james@grayproductions.net> wrote:
>
>> If the traffic is bothering people, we could also consider moving
>> Ruby Quiz to it's own mailing list. Do speak up, if we're bugging
>> you...
>
> I still read via the newsgroup, and I'd be sad to see the Quiz go
> elsewhere. I've not been confident enough to have a go yet but I
> enjoy trying them out, and learning from the solutions and
> discussion I see.
>
> --
> Ross Bamford - rosco@roscopeco.remove.co.uk
>

+1

Please don't take the quiz to its own list James! I look forward to
reading the solutions and writeups very much and would consider ruby-
talk to be the perfect place for the quiz.

-Ezra

Chad Perrin

1/4/2006 12:52:00 AM

0

On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 08:04:45AM +0900, James Edward Gray II wrote:
>
> [SOLUTION] implies [QUIZ], I think, so we can drop the repatition.
> Of course, now what you are suppose to put in the subject is getting
> more complicated, which probably decreases the chance that it will
> happen. That might be a reason to stick with just [QUIZ]. Opinions?

I think prefacing subject lines with [QUIZ] makes good sense, and it can
be encouraged by having a header or footer in new quiz threads that
makes that convention known to readers. Confusing the issue by asking
people to use two different subject preface terms will probably just
lead to more people accidentally ignoring the convention, however, and I
think needlessly complicates the situation, so I'd advocate sticking
with [QUIZ] for all of it.

It has been suggested that other preface terms be used for other traffic
here. I don't see this as being a particularly likely convention to
actually help anything, since it won't be specifically prompted in
threads that are started by someone not in a position to necessarily
know about these conventions. For instance, someone new to the list
might not notice that he or she is supposed to start question thread
subjects with [QUESTION] (to say nothing of the fact that's quite a bit
of extra typing), and a convention like that is worse than no such
convention when it's only adhered to haphazardly, in my opinion.


>
> If the traffic is bothering people, we could also consider moving
> Ruby Quiz to it's own mailing list. Do speak up, if we're bugging
> you...

I'd prefer to keep it on ruby-talk, personally. I don't really
participate, so I wouldn't pick up the new list, but I like to see what
quizzes come up, and I like to think about the problem domain when I see
it. I guess what I'm saying is that it's better for the lazy readers
like myself to have it on ruby-talk rather than making it separate.

--
Chad Perrin [ CCD CopyWrite | http://ccd.ap... ]

print substr("Just another Perl hacker", 0, -2);

J. Ryan Sobol

1/4/2006 1:26:00 AM

0

Why does it have to be a rule at all? Seems like the only one who
posts the quiz is J.E.G. 2 and everyone just replies to that post.
Can't it just be a suggestion to him alone?

~ ryan ~

James Gray

1/4/2006 3:49:00 AM

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On Jan 3, 2006, at 7:26 PM, J. Ryan Sobol wrote:

> Why does it have to be a rule at all? Seems like the only one who
> posts the quiz is J.E.G. 2 and everyone just replies to that post.
> Can't it just be a suggestion to him alone?

This is how I've been operating, not wanting to get too heavy handed
with the rules. It works more often than it does, I think. There's
still times when it doesn't. I'm not sure if adding a rule will fix
that or not.

Seems that the quiz can stay here a bit longer. (At least that's
what I'm hearing.) I'm grateful you all are so tolerant of our
playing around.

Let me here a few more opinions on the [QUIZ] rule, and I'll add it
if that seems a popular request...

James Edward Gray II

Stephen Waits

1/4/2006 4:03:00 AM

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On Jan 3, 2006, at 7:48 PM, James Edward Gray II wrote:

> Let me here a few more opinions on the [QUIZ] rule, and I'll add it
> if that seems a popular request...

Personally don't care. More importantly is that people reply to the
original thread. Keeping it under one (or two, ...) thread(s) is
more than adequate.

So, I guess I'm a +0

--Steve