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Mike Schwab

1/1/2006 12:56:00 PM

What Ruby stuff will be happening at Macworld? What software is
written in Ruby, which companies are Ruby shops, will there be any
Ruby events to clear up any confusion from Rails-hype, etc?

We could likely avoid a lot of duplicitous advocacy if some people
would compile some unbiased "Why Ruby?" facts, examples, and idioms
into a Keynote presentation and export that as a quicktime file.
Then we could serve that file and point browsers to it when people
ask about Ruby. Packing that page with links to other Ruby resources
would be a convenient tool to grow the community (bookmark it for
them, then click the quicktime link and walk to the next exhibit ha ha).

Since the target audience will have advanced skills, I think
intricate examples showcasing gems, rake, C, and a lot of other foss
packages should be the goal. Make slides introducing your own
libraries and contribute them.

I've made a wiki page to collect notes on what should be included. I
could do the Keynote work, but I'd rather leave it to someone who's a
guru and already has some advocacy files prepared.
http://www.rubygarden.org/ruby?WhyRubyPr...

Call me ambitious and optimistic, but I think the responsible
estimate is that Ruby popularity will explode this year. I think
it's a smart move to spend some time on this now to ensure a great
and agile transition for millions of future Rubyists. Macworld will
be a good chance to further the entrenchment of two of the greatest
problem-solving tools (Ruby and Apple) by making them more familiar
with each other.

-Mike
28 Answers

hampton c

1/2/2006 3:44:00 PM

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I just bought a new Mac, and its the worst dev environment for ruby
possible. I've put at least 5 hours (yes, *5*) into getting the
ruby-mysql bindings working. And *nothing* gets it working. In fact,
the one mention of my error on the web says, "No known fix." That's
nice to hear after spending all this money! Errrrgh.

I might put linux on this box.
Linux is a great ruby environment.

-hampton.

James Gray

1/2/2006 3:53:00 PM

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On Jan 2, 2006, at 9:47 AM, Hampton wrote:

> I just bought a new Mac, and its the worst dev environment for ruby
> possible.

I've used a Mac for Ruby development since day one and I couldn't
disagree more.

I also use MySQL with no trouble so I encourage you to start a new
thread about your problems and let us help you get it running...

James Edward Gray II

Mike Stok

1/2/2006 4:45:00 PM

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On 2-Jan-06, at 10:47 AM, Hampton wrote:

> I just bought a new Mac, and its the worst dev environment for ruby
> possible. I've put at least 5 hours (yes, *5*) into getting the
> ruby-mysql bindings working. And *nothing* gets it working. In fact,
> the one mention of my error on the web says, "No known fix." That's
> nice to hear after spending all this money! Errrrgh.
>
> I might put linux on this box.
> Linux is a great ruby environment.
>
> -hampton.

What are your specific problems?

I got a Mac to broaden my horizons, and after some initial
frustration ended up with a great environment.

Apple's ruby installation is a little messed up, but I ended up
replacing the system readline library and building my own ruby.

There are various recipes you can find with google, as a lot of
people trying Rails wanted to develop on OS X e.g.

http://weblog.rubyonrails.com/archives/2005/04/30/fixing-rub...
tiger/
http://tech.rufy.com/articles/2005/05/01/complete-fix-for-ru...
os-x-10-4-tiger

These days I'm happily tooling around with Ruby, Textmate,
Subversion, MySQL and a bundle of other goodies...

Hope this helps,

Michael

--

Mike Stok <mike@stok.co.uk>
http://www.stok.co...

The "`Stok' disclaimers" apply.

Chad Perrin

1/2/2006 7:58:00 PM

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On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 12:52:59AM +0900, James Edward Gray II wrote:
> On Jan 2, 2006, at 9:47 AM, Hampton wrote:
>
> >I just bought a new Mac, and its the worst dev environment for ruby
> >possible.
>
> I've used a Mac for Ruby development since day one and I couldn't
> disagree more.
>
> I also use MySQL with no trouble so I encourage you to start a new
> thread about your problems and let us help you get it running...

I seem to recall reading somewhere that MacOS X has some nonstandard
screwed-up installation defaults for MySQL that need to be "fixed". Is
there truth in that? Might that be Hampton's issue?

--
Chad Perrin [ CCD CopyWrite | http://ccd.ap... ]

This sig for rent: a Signify v1.14 production from http://www.d...

James Gray

1/2/2006 8:04:00 PM

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On Jan 2, 2006, at 1:57 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:

> I seem to recall reading somewhere that MacOS X has some nonstandard
> screwed-up installation defaults for MySQL that need to be
> "fixed". Is
> there truth in that?

Not that I'm aware of.

You might be thinking of the fact that Apple's install of Ruby has a
few issues. Those are easily fixed though.

James Edward Gray II

Devin Mullins

1/2/2006 8:26:00 PM

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Hampton wrote:

>I just bought a new Mac, and its the worst dev environment for ruby
>possible. I've put at least 5 hours (yes, *5*) into getting the
>ruby-mysql bindings working. And *nothing* gets it working. In fact,
>the one mention of my error on the web says, "No known fix." That's
>nice to hear after spending all this money! Errrrgh.
>
>
Use DarwinPorts or Fink.

Devin

Jim Freeze

1/2/2006 8:40:00 PM

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On 1/2/06, Devin Mullins <twifkak@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Hampton wrote:
>
> Use DarwinPorts or Fink.



For MySQL, I used the dmg. That was easy and it even gives you a control
panel to shutdown and restart the server.

For Ruby, just build your own. That is simplest. Also, I built my own
readline - that too was simple.


--
Jim Freeze

Chad Perrin

1/2/2006 8:46:00 PM

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On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 05:03:49AM +0900, James Edward Gray II wrote:
> On Jan 2, 2006, at 1:57 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:
>
> >I seem to recall reading somewhere that MacOS X has some nonstandard
> >screwed-up installation defaults for MySQL that need to be
> >"fixed". Is
> >there truth in that?
>
> Not that I'm aware of.
>
> You might be thinking of the fact that Apple's install of Ruby has a
> few issues. Those are easily fixed though.

Okay, thanks for the clarification.

I keep flirting with the idea of getting a Mac in here, but keep
discarding it with the realization that A) I probably wouldn't use it
much and B) I still don't like one-button mice (which would be something
of a problem since I'd probably want to get a laptop).

--
Chad Perrin [ CCD CopyWrite | http://ccd.ap... ]

print substr("Just another Perl hacker", 0, -2);

Mike Stok

1/2/2006 8:54:00 PM

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On 2-Jan-06, at 3:45 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:

> I keep flirting with the idea of getting a Mac in here, but keep
> discarding it with the realization that A) I probably wouldn't use it
> much and B) I still don't like one-button mice (which would be
> something
> of a problem since I'd probably want to get a laptop).

I replaced my linux desktop with a 17" PowerBook, and it quite
happily uses my 3 button Logitech mouse (well, two with a clickable
scroll-wheel). The only thing that still gets me is my expectation
of X Window style cut & paste.

Mike

--

Mike Stok <mike@stok.co.uk>
http://www.stok.co...

The "`Stok' disclaimers" apply.

J. Ryan Sobol

1/2/2006 9:02:00 PM

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On Jan 2, 2006, at 3:45 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:

> B) I still don't like one-button mice (which would be something
> of a problem since I'd probably want to get a laptop).

Let me avoid the flame war about to ensue by quickly post this:

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050802...

~ ryan ~

PS - YES, I know Apple's laptops have a one-button mouse built in still.