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why there's no ruby 1.8.4 for win-one-click-installer?

Arie Kusuma Atmaja

12/25/2005 5:38:00 AM

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why there's no ruby 1.8.4 for win-one-click-installer? thx

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13 Answers

james_b

12/25/2005 5:58:00 AM

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Arie Kusuma Atmaja wrote:
> http://rubyforge.org/frs/?gr...
>
> why there's no ruby 1.8.4 for win-one-click-installer? thx

The source for Ruby 1.8.4 was released less than 24 hours ago.

An actual human being must now take that source and assemble the
binaries for the one-click. This takes time and effort.

Curt Hibbs is that actual human being, and he has already said, on this
very list, that it may take a few weeks for the 1.8.4 one-click to
appear. Please go find that message and read the reasons.


Merry Christmas,

James Britt

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Curt Hibbs

12/26/2005 8:06:00 AM

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On 12/24/05, James Britt <james_b@neurogami.com> wrote:
> Arie Kusuma Atmaja wrote:
> > http://rubyforge.org/frs/?gr...
> >
> > why there's no ruby 1.8.4 for win-one-click-installer? thx
>
> The source for Ruby 1.8.4 was released less than 24 hours ago.
>
> An actual human being must now take that source and assemble the
> binaries for the one-click. This takes time and effort.
>
> Curt Hibbs is that actual human being, and he has already said, on this
> very list, that it may take a few weeks for the 1.8.4 one-click to
> appear. Please go find that message and read the reasons.

Thanks, James.

The one-click installer includes a number of Ruby extensions (in
addition to Ruby 1.8.4, itself). All of these have to be updated to
the latest versions, compiled, installed, and tested (some of these I
am not familiar with so I need to ave others test them for me).

All this takes time (and I still have a day job, too).

Thanks for your patience,
Curt

John W Kennedy

12/26/2005 5:58:00 PM

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Curt Hibbs wrote:
> On 12/24/05, James Britt <james_b@neurogami.com> wrote:
>> Arie Kusuma Atmaja wrote:
>>> http://rubyforge.org/frs/?gr...
>>>
>>> why there's no ruby 1.8.4 for win-one-click-installer? thx
>> The source for Ruby 1.8.4 was released less than 24 hours ago.
>>
>> An actual human being must now take that source and assemble the
>> binaries for the one-click. This takes time and effort.
>>
>> Curt Hibbs is that actual human being, and he has already said, on this
>> very list, that it may take a few weeks for the 1.8.4 one-click to
>> appear. Please go find that message and read the reasons.
>
> Thanks, James.
>
> The one-click installer includes a number of Ruby extensions (in
> addition to Ruby 1.8.4, itself). All of these have to be updated to
> the latest versions, compiled, installed, and tested (some of these I
> am not familiar with so I need to ave others test them for me).
>
> All this takes time (and I still have a day job, too).

I think there's some confusion caused by the fact that so much
cross-platform Free software nowadays includes a Windows binary as an
intrinsic part of the release. When Firefox went to 1.5, or
OpenOffice.org went to 2.01, there was a Windows installable waiting for
everyone.

Since the One-Click Installer is /not/ an intrinsic part of the Ruby
release, of course this doesn't happen.

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Ilias Lazaridis

12/26/2005 7:49:00 PM

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John W. Kennedy wrote:
> Curt Hibbs wrote:
>> On 12/24/05, James Britt <james_b@neurogami.com> wrote:
>>> Arie Kusuma Atmaja wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://rubyforge.org/frs/?gr...
>>>>
>>>> why there's no ruby 1.8.4 for win-one-click-installer? thx
>>>
>>> The source for Ruby 1.8.4 was released less than 24 hours ago.
>>>
>>> An actual human being must now take that source and assemble the
>>> binaries for the one-click. This takes time and effort.
>>>
>>> Curt Hibbs is that actual human being, and he has already said, on this
>>> very list, that it may take a few weeks for the 1.8.4 one-click to
>>> appear. Please go find that message and read the reasons.
>>
>> Thanks, James.
>>
>> The one-click installer includes a number of Ruby extensions (in
>> addition to Ruby 1.8.4, itself). All of these have to be updated to
>> the latest versions, compiled, installed, and tested (some of these I
>> am not familiar with so I need to ave others test them for me).
>>
>> All this takes time (and I still have a day job, too).
>
> I think there's some confusion caused by the fact that so much
> cross-platform Free software nowadays includes a Windows binary as an
> intrinsic part of the release. When Firefox went to 1.5, or
> OpenOffice.org went to 2.01, there was a Windows installable waiting for
> everyone.
>
> Since the One-Click Installer is /not/ an intrinsic part of the Ruby
> release, of course this doesn't happen.

A rational request from a simple user: "where is the 1.8.4
win-one-click-installer?"

status:

explanations from the community:

* the 1.8.4 release was just befort 24h
* build-test-packaging process is not automated
* the build-manager has dependencies to external testers
* this installer is _not_ an intrinsic part of Ruby

-

Possible Solutions:

a) provide an automation for build-test-packaging
b) reduce complexity of packaging process (simplify distribution)
c) convince 3rd party to provide distribution

ActiveState has introduced Ruby into it's Komodo IDE,

http://activestate.com...

and should be intrested to provide a distribution (ActiveRuby), similar
to those for other languages, e.g. Python:

http://activestate.com/Products/ActivePytho...

[CC to ActiveState]

-

TAG.ruby.evolution.distribution

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gabriele renzi

12/26/2005 9:10:00 PM

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Arie Kusuma Atmaja ha scritto:
> http://rubyforge.org/frs/?gr...
>
> why there's no ruby 1.8.4 for win-one-click-installer? thx

please notice that even if it is not a one-click installer you can get a
win32 version of ruby from here:
http://www.garbagecollect.jp/ruby/mswin32/en/download/re...

It does not include many of the goodies that are available with the
one-click-installer, such as fxruby,scite or programming ruby in chm
format, but it works fine (except for readline).

Oh well, thanks to all the people providing ruby builds for us poor
win32 users :)

masayoshi takahashi

12/27/2005 1:19:00 AM

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2005/12/27, gabriele renzi <surrender_it@-remove-yahoo.it>:
> Arie Kusuma Atmaja ha scritto:
> > why there's no ruby 1.8.4 for win-one-click-installer? thx
>
> please notice that even if it is not a one-click installer you can get a
> win32 version of ruby from here:
> http://www.garbagecollect.jp/ruby/mswin32/en/download/re...
>
> It does not include many of the goodies that are available with the
> one-click-installer, such as fxruby,scite or programming ruby in chm
> format, but it works fine (except for readline).

Yet Another Ruby for windows user is ActiveScriptRuby.

http://arton.hp.infoseek.co.jp/...

You can get ASR 1.8.4.1 now.

Regards,

Masayoshi 'Maki' Takahashi

Stephen Waits

12/29/2005 4:41:00 PM

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On Dec 26, 2005, at 12:06 AM, Curt Hibbs wrote:

> The one-click installer includes a number of Ruby extensions (in
> addition to Ruby 1.8.4, itself).

I wonder if you might be able to trim it back a bit. Perhaps survey
your userbase and try to determine how much each extension is being
used?

Or consider doing Min and Max versions?

--Steve

[Personally, I just want ruby, rubygems, and docs]

Sung Soo Kim

12/29/2005 5:33:00 PM

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It might not be too difficult to include options of including or excluding
extensions in the installer, even though I love the previous installer. ;)

Sung Soo


On 12/29/05, Stephen Waits <steve@waits.net> wrote:
>
>
> On Dec 26, 2005, at 12:06 AM, Curt Hibbs wrote:
>
> > The one-click installer includes a number of Ruby extensions (in
> > addition to Ruby 1.8.4, itself).
>
> I wonder if you might be able to trim it back a bit. Perhaps survey
> your userbase and try to determine how much each extension is being
> used?
>
> Or consider doing Min and Max versions?
>
> --Steve
>
> [Personally, I just want ruby, rubygems, and docs]
>
>
>

james_b

12/29/2005 6:39:00 PM

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Sung Soo Kim wrote:
> It might not be too difficult to include options of including or excluding
> extensions in the installer, even though I love the previous installer. ;)


Examples of how to do this are welcome.


James



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Wilson Bilkovich

12/29/2005 10:46:00 PM

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On 12/29/05, James Britt <james_b@neurogami.com> wrote:
> Sung Soo Kim wrote:
> > It might not be too difficult to include options of including or excluding
> > extensions in the installer, even though I love the previous installer. ;)
>
>
> Examples of how to do this are welcome.
>

Basically the various extensions need to be split out into named
SubSections in the ruby.nsi file, and the 'components' page should be
flagged for display.
If it would help, I can make these changes and submit a patch against the trunk.

I maintain an NSI-based installer that does a lot of conditional work,
so I'm comfortable with the syntax.

--Wilson.