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Christer Nilsson

12/7/2005 11:29:00 AM

Wayne!

I agree with your comment on Arachno. It's amazing that one person,
Lothar, can achieve so much.

Could you please explain slimeline and debugger quick mode ?
Have you tried Arachno in a Rails project ?

Christer

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Wayne Vucenic

12/7/2005 5:34:00 PM

Hey Christer,

> Could you please explain slimeline and debugger quick mode ?

slimeline mode is for conserving screen real estate, especially on 1024x768
monitors. It has options to hide the tabs at the sides of the window, and
to hide various other UI elements, to give the maximum amount of space to
the main window. It's a nice idea, but personally I don't use it even on my
1024x768 laptop because I really like seeing all the tools and other UI
elements.

The default debugger mode is quick mode, in which it doesn't have as much
information about stack frames other than the current one. I don't believe
this has any effect when you're debugging in the current stack frame. It
only makes a difference when you use the debugger to navigate to
previous stack frames (that is, the method that called the current method,
or earlier callers.) When quick mode is turned off, the debugger runs
slower, but it gets more information on previous stack frames. (I hope
I got this right... Lothar explained this to me once, and this is my
understanding of what he said.) In practice I don't pay a lot of attention
to whether or not I'm in quick mode. Non-quick mode doesn't seem to
slow the debugger down that much (at least for small programs), but then
again I haven't noticed a huge amount of difference in the info I get on
previous stack frames.

> Have you tried Arachno in a Rails project ?

I do all my Rails work in Arachno, since it's such a great environment.

I've done some Rails debugging in Arachno, using both of the techniques
described at:

http://wiki.rubyonrails.com/rails/pages/How+To+Use+Arachno+Ruby+IDE+...

I haven't done a ton of Rails debugging, mostly because I don't need a
debugger for most of my Rails work, but when I have debugged Rails
programs in Arachno it's been plenty fast.

Take care,

Wayne

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Wayne Vucenic
No Bugs Software
"Ruby and C++ Agile Contract Programming in Silicon Valley"

On 12/7/05, Christer Nilsson <janchrister.nilsson@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wayne!
>
> I agree with your comment on Arachno. It's amazing that one person,
> Lothar, can achieve so much.
>
> Could you please explain slimeline and debugger quick mode ?
> Have you tried Arachno in a Rails project ?
>
> Christer
>
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> Posted via http://www.ruby-....
>
>

Mark Ericson

12/7/2005 5:40:00 PM

I've been playing with Arachno and wish it had hyper navigation of the code
(like IDEA or Eclipse in the Java world). It would be great to ctrl-click
on a variable or function call and open up the source to that call in a new
window.

Is that perhaps already in the product and I've missed it?

Christer Nilsson

12/7/2005 6:18:00 PM

Wayne!

I tried Debugger Quick and Slow mode. No difference. Same speed. Local
variables and parameters available on all the stack frames. Maybe this
feature is used in the other languages supported: Perl, PHP and Python

Slimeline is not so interesting on my 1600 x 1200 display. Good news
that Rails works well on ArachnoRuby. I've chipped in USD129 to Lothar

Thanks for the link!

Christer

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Patrick Hurley

12/7/2005 7:09:00 PM

On 12/7/05, Mark Ericson <mark.ericson@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've been playing with Arachno and wish it had hyper navigation of the code
> (like IDEA or Eclipse in the Java world). It would be great to ctrl-click
> on a variable or function call and open up the source to that call in a new
> window.

I do not think this is in the current editor. In any case it would not
be possible to get right all of the time -- but it would be possible
to get right most of the time and would be a nice feature. Within a
file the navigator pane shows all of your normally defined methods
(and a nice fly over documentation window as well).

pth

Wayne Vucenic

12/7/2005 7:13:00 PM

Hey Christer,

> I tried Debugger Quick and Slow mode. No difference.

Thanks for the data point. I didn't do any explicit tests, but I didn't really
notice a difference between the two modes.

> Thanks for the link!

You're very welcome. Actually, I also sent you this link yesterday in a
private email. Maybe it got caught in your spam filter or something.
Let me know if you didn't get that email, and I'll resend it.

Take care,

Wayne

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Wayne Vucenic
No Bugs Software
"Ruby and C++ Agile Contract Programming in Silicon Valley"

Alexandru Popescu

12/7/2005 7:18:00 PM

I am a user of Arachno for quite a while and I am quite happy with it,
except one aspect: the promise on the site about releases. I haven't
seen an update for a while, and I would expect at least some
feedback/estimations about this.

cheers,

/alex
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On 12/7/05, Patrick Hurley <phurley@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/7/05, Mark Ericson <mark.ericson@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I've been playing with Arachno and wish it had hyper navigation of the code
> > (like IDEA or Eclipse in the Java world). It would be great to ctrl-click
> > on a variable or function call and open up the source to that call in a new
> > window.
>
> I do not think this is in the current editor. In any case it would not
> be possible to get right all of the time -- but it would be possible
> to get right most of the time and would be a nice feature. Within a
> file the navigator pane shows all of your normally defined methods
> (and a nice fly over documentation window as well).
>
> pth
>
>

Wayne Vucenic

12/7/2005 7:43:00 PM

Hi Alexandru,

> I am a user of Arachno for quite a while and I am quite happy with it,
> except one aspect: the promise on the site about releases. I haven't
> seen an update for a while

Yes, it would be nice to see a new release. I had an email exchange with
Lothar a while ago, and he was deeply into making some major changes
to the code. (He told me what he was working on, but since it
was a private conversation I won't repeat what he said.)

As someone who's considered writing and marketing a program myself,
I can empathize with having to simultaneously do design/development/
marketing/support/etc/etc/etc.

I'm always glad to see the new features Lothar puts in, but the
current version of Arachno is 100% usable for my day-to-day work.

Take care,

Wayne

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Wayne Vucenic
No Bugs Software
"Ruby and C++ Agile Contract Programming in Silicon Valley"

Jeff Wood

12/7/2005 8:30:00 PM

I use it from time to time @ this point ... the most recent beta release is
a bit less stable than I'd prefer, but Lothar is hard @ work on making the
foundation of the application more solid...

He's done a really good job with Arachno ... and I can't wait for the next
release ...

Just before the release he had started working on scriptability for the
environment ... ( to allow external custom scripts be able to interact with
the software ) ... and he had added some nice auto templates and electric
braces ...

All of which I love ... it really is a GOOD environment.

j.

On 12/7/05, Wayne Vucenic <nightphotos@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Alexandru,
>
> > I am a user of Arachno for quite a while and I am quite happy with it,
> > except one aspect: the promise on the site about releases. I haven't
> > seen an update for a while
>
> Yes, it would be nice to see a new release. I had an email exchange with
> Lothar a while ago, and he was deeply into making some major changes
> to the code. (He told me what he was working on, but since it
> was a private conversation I won't repeat what he said.)
>
> As someone who's considered writing and marketing a program myself,
> I can empathize with having to simultaneously do design/development/
> marketing/support/etc/etc/etc.
>
> I'm always glad to see the new features Lothar puts in, but the
> current version of Arachno is 100% usable for my day-to-day work.
>
> Take care,
>
> Wayne
>
> ---
> Wayne Vucenic
> No Bugs Software
> "Ruby and C++ Agile Contract Programming in Silicon Valley"
>
>

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