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8/20/2007 6:02:00 AM

Subject: Re: MI5? Please can someone explain what's going on here?
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David Stretch (dds@leicester.ac.uk) wrote:
: In article <19960418.000817.55@hotch.hotch.demon.co.uk>,
: Iain L M Hotchkies <iain@hotch.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: >The (remote) possibility remains that 'Mike Corley' is either
: >not schizophrenic (but is 'pretending' to be so) or 'he' is
: >a product of a number of persons (?psychology students).

: Given other ways in which I have seen people exploit some of The Internet's
: capabilities to disrupt or indulge in sophistry, or to exploit a medium
: that resembles speech without the non-verbal and intonation cues, etc
: as a means of denigrating others, I question your use, albeit in quotes,
: of the word "remote". I'm not saying it isn't remote and therefore it is
: great, I'm just saying that I don't think we can easily classify it as
: remote, moderate, or great.

I think you can build up quite a good picture based on what someone says
and on their posting patterns. I don't think "The Internet" (capitals, no
less) is as opaque a medium as you make it out to be.

: It is not easy to determine the validity of all information on The
: Internet without making use of extra supplementary information.

: We do have the problem, pointed out by someone else, of the possibly
: "too perfect" textbook characteristics of what is being posted.

I explained that one, but I don't mind explaining it again (you don't
mind having it explained again to you, do you now?). The reason my
"symptoms" are such a perfect fit to the textbook is because the people
causing the campaign "fitted me up" in such a way that what they did
would resemble the symptoms of schizophrenia. Hence TV, radio, other
media, people in the streets etc. By a fortunate coincidence (for them)
these mthods of harassment are the ones which offer easiest channels of
access (for them).

It's really quite neat. All it takes is for people to start believing
that the "symptoms" aren't symptoms but reality, though, and the house of
cards collapses in a heap. And there are _lots_ of people now who knoiw
full well what has gone on.

: If harrassment by email, etc, has happened by someone out of the country,
: can a complaint be made that results in arrest or whatever upon that
: person's entry into the country? An interesting point which Mike may be
: able to inform us about, as he's said he will be in the UK in a few weeks
: time.

Picture the scene at the airport;
"I arrest you for being Mike Corley and mailbombing people"

"But my name isn't Corley. Who he? Mailbombing isn't illegal is it? You'd
have to lock up a lot of people if sending annoying email was a crime"

"Er....."

: --
: David Stretch: Greenwood Institute of Child Health, Univ. of Leicester, UK.
: dds@leicester.ac.uk Phone:+44 (0)116-254-6100 Fax:+44 (0)116-254-4127
========================================================================

: context-free parts of articles, conversations and things-on-the-TV and
: assume they are meant for you. Mike, this is called paranoia.

But that's the way real abuse works, too. People interject words and
phrases into what they say which they know will have meaning for the listener.

And sometimes, they make it obvious. The very first evening of my job in
Oxford, we went for a drink with the technical director, and a couple
of other employees. The TD said in an "as-if" aside to one of the others,
"Is this the bloke who's been on TV?" (he said it directly in front of
me, and obviously meant mke to hear him saying it). The other person
replied, "Yes, I think so".

I think the subtext of what the TD said was "Why are they bothering with
him? He's so insignificant, why would they possibly want to spend the
resources going after him and putting all that expensive technology in
his home, when there must be much better targets?". The Technical
Director was given to sometimes disrespecting people, you see, and in my
case he couldn't see the point of anyone expending money on harassing me.

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Illtud Daniel (idaniel@jesus.ox.ac.uk) wrote:
: Probably 'cos you come across as reasoned & articulate, it's a pity
: about the other stuff :)

Veracity is so unreasonable.

: >>pps. You should still see a doc again Mike.
: >
: >Doing so. Trouble is, all this mental-illness stuff provides camouflage
: >for the harassment, which is real. It alows people who otherwise would
: >consider the harassment seriously to disregard it. It makes conversations
: >with a lawyer or police brief when otherwise it would merit discussion.

: The point is that there are two possibilities happening here-

: 1. There's a large conspiracy of people out to get you, for no
: other reason than that they have the means to do so, and that
: it involves a lot of the Media & a proportion of the public

: 2. You (who admit to having some headspace problems) are suffering
: from acute paranoid schizophrenia.

: Possibility #1 is _possible_, but would be unprecendented (OTOH,
: how would we know?), unfeasible, and many other things beginning
: with _un_ which I can't think of at the moment. Besides, if there
: was something going on, chances are some of us here would know
: about it, and I'm convinced that nobody does.

"Unprecedented" hits the nail on the head. It _is_ unprecedented, but we
have only just reached the technical stage at which it is feasible, and
we know video-spying is done to other people (NB the Diana-Hewitt
episode) and is a routine tool of security agencies.

Perhaps what is unprecedented is not the technical side, but the social
manipulation of many people by a concealed element in what other
countries would be called the secret police. The most disturbing element
is the degree to which people allow themselves to be unquestioningly
manipulated by an evil element within the state.

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10 Answers

Bob Eld

4/11/2009 6:31:00 PM

"MioMyo" <USA_Patriot@Somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:Up4El.15485$8_3.13000@flpi147.ffdc.sbc.com...
> How bout some frogmen surfacing from out of the depths in the middle of
the
> night? There's but one hostage and only 4-gunmen pirates. Whatever happens
> on this one, it will be on bamby's watch. And if the Navy isn't doing
> anything tactical, the most likely reason is because bamby is holding them
> at bay..............

I think that is a great idea. Frogmen (Navy Seals) could easily take that
boat at night. I thought they out to just sink it and see how the Pirates
use their weapons while trying to swim for it. We already know the Capitan
can swim. Maybe Obama is holding the Navy at bay, I hope not. I would agree
with you there.

>
> > Bush's belligerence got us into stupid trillion dollar wars with no end.
>
> Quit looking stupid, lib. Bush is a private citizen now. bamby is in
charge
> now and you can bet her enemies are watching this very
> closely.

Bush had nothing to do with this and I never said he did. . It's the
belligerent attitude that got us NO Where except hated around the world. It
didn't even catch the perpetrators of 9/11. Smart people do what works not
wage useless wars against imaginary foes.

Thanks for calling me a LIB! That's what I proudly am. If you think that is
somehow a horrible pejorative, you're sadly mistaken and uniformed.

MioMyo

4/11/2009 7:01:00 PM

"Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "MioMyo" <USA_Patriot@Somewhere.com> wrote in message
> news:Up4El.15485$8_3.13000@flpi147.ffdc.sbc.com...
>> How bout some frogmen surfacing from out of the depths in the middle of
> the
>> night? There's but one hostage and only 4-gunmen pirates. Whatever
>> happens
>> on this one, it will be on bamby's watch. And if the Navy isn't doing
>> anything tactical, the most likely reason is because bamby is holding
>> them
>> at bay..............
>
> I think that is a great idea. Frogmen (Navy Seals) could easily take that
> boat at night. I thought they out to just sink it and see how the Pirates
> use their weapons while trying to swim for it. We already know the Capitan
> can swim. Maybe Obama is holding the Navy at bay, I hope not. I would
> agree
> with you there.
>
>
>>
>> > Bush's belligerence got us into stupid trillion dollar wars with no
>> > end.
>>
>> Quit looking stupid, lib. Bush is a private citizen now. bamby is in
> charge
>> now and you can bet her enemies are watching this very
>> closely.
>
> Bush had nothing to do with this and I never said he did. . It's the
> belligerent attitude that got us NO Where except hated around the world.
> It
> didn't even catch the perpetrators of 9/11.

That's nothing more and nothing less than a liberally contrived opinion
which leftist keep attempting to hammer into the American mind-set. There's
no such recognized polling data confirming such nonsense, but the mere fact
that you would bring it up when it's but a partisan 15-minutes ago opinion
proves how desperate you are to resurrect those boogey strawmen of
yesteryear......

> Smart people do what works not
> wage useless wars against imaginary foes.

Smart people don't have to concoct such partisan strawmen as you just did
above.

> Thanks for calling me a LIB!

No prob.

> That's what I proudly am.

Good for you cause most run in shame.

> If you think that is
> somehow a horrible pejorative, you're sadly mistaken and uniformed.

It's an ideology which I happen to disagree with and also most Americans do
too since reputable polling proves the country is center right.

nobody

4/11/2009 8:07:00 PM

"Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> writes:

> "MioMyo" <USA_Patriot@Somewhere.com> wrote in message
> news:Up4El.15485$8_3.13000@flpi147.ffdc.sbc.com...
>> How bout some frogmen surfacing from out of the depths in the middle of
> the
>> night? There's but one hostage and only 4-gunmen pirates. Whatever happens
>> on this one, it will be on bamby's watch. And if the Navy isn't doing
>> anything tactical, the most likely reason is because bamby is holding them
>> at bay..............
>
> I think that is a great idea. Frogmen (Navy Seals) could easily take that
> boat at night. I thought they out to just sink it and see how the Pirates
> use their weapons while trying to swim for it. We already know the Capitan
> can swim. Maybe Obama is holding the Navy at bay, I hope not. I would agree
> with you there.

According to newspaper reports, the boat has a cover on it and the
pirates and hostage are inside, with everything sealed up in case
someone decides to shoot at the pirates, accurately enough to hit
them and not their hostage. Unfortunately, that means that if Navy
Seals sneak up on it, there might not be enough time to capture
the pirates before they can kill the hostage. If they are planning
any such operation, it makes sense to take their time to plan it
very carefully. Also, it is supposedly very hot inside the boat the
pirates are in due to everything being sealed up. If you wait, the
pirates will simply get more and more tired each day, and maybe
more and more complacent. Eventually they will run out of food and
water.

None of us are there. Don't criticize them until you know the full
story. And it is silly to blame Obama - he's smart enough to know
that he should not be trying to micromanage this.

Sid9

4/11/2009 8:07:00 PM

"Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "MioMyo" <USA_Patriot@Somewhere.com> wrote in
> message
> news:Up4El.15485$8_3.13000@flpi147.ffdc.sbc.com...
>> How bout some frogmen surfacing from out of the
>> depths in the middle of
> the
>> night? There's but one hostage and only
>> 4-gunmen pirates. Whatever happens
>> on this one, it will be on bamby's watch. And
>> if the Navy isn't doing
>> anything tactical, the most likely reason is
>> because bamby is holding them
>> at bay..............
>
> I think that is a great idea. Frogmen (Navy
> Seals) could easily take that
> boat at night. I thought they out to just sink
> it and see how the Pirates
> use their weapons while trying to swim for it.
> We already know the Capitan
> can swim. Maybe Obama is holding the Navy at
> bay, I hope not. I would agree
> with you there.

Our man would be dead before there would be an
inch of water in that lifeboat.

Have you seen what that lifeboat looks like?

That's a bush,jr /Cheney stupid cowboy solution
from someone who hasn?t got the facts.

What's the goal?

Getting our captain back alive or repairing your
damaged ego?

We will ive to fight another day...when the odds
for success are in our favor.

>
>
>>
>> > Bush's belligerence got us into stupid
>> > trillion dollar wars with no end.
>>
>> Quit looking stupid, lib. Bush is a private
>> citizen now. bamby is in
> charge
>> now and you can bet her enemies are watching
>> this very
>> closely.
>
> Bush had nothing to do with this and I never
> said he did. . It's the
> belligerent attitude that got us NO Where except
> hated around the world. It
> didn't even catch the perpetrators of 9/11.
> Smart people do what works not
> wage useless wars against imaginary foes.
>
>
> Thanks for calling me a LIB! That's what I
> proudly am. If you think that is
> somehow a horrible pejorative, you're sadly
> mistaken and uniformed.
>
>
>

Sid9

4/11/2009 8:08:00 PM

"MioMyo" <USA_Patriot@Somewhere.com> wrote in
message
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>
> "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> wrote in
> message
> news:Dw3El.18640$as4.7512@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>
>> "MioMyo" <USA_Patriot@Somewhere.com> wrote in
>> message
>> news:rb2El.16311$D32.13225@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com...
>>> Either bamby should have never sent the Navy
>>> into this first incident
>> (where
>>> he is now allowing 4-gunmen make our military
>>> look foolish), or he should
>>> have given them the green light to deal with
>>> these thugs according to
>>> international maritime laws.
>>>
>>> Since that hasn't happened, it means bamby has
>>> hamstrung them from doing
>>> anything except being a presence.
>>> BIG-WHOOPEE.... Anyone can see how much
>>> this has helped.
>>>
>>> Such actions or rather inactions are
>>> tantamount to Ronald Reagan's when he
>>> put a marine base in Lebanon but didn't allow
>>> them to defend themselves by
>>> not having the authorization to shoot when
>>> being attacked.
>>>
>>> Now bamby's actions and/or inactions are
>>> leading the US down the same
>> path.
>>> All you dumb ass liberals who think otherwise
>>> better wise up cause if you
>>> don't think Putin, the Iranian radicals and N.
>>> Koreans aren't watching
>>> carefully what a wuss your messiah is, then
>>> you are sheepish-fools, aka-
>>> fodder in wait for your own skewering.........
>>>
>>> This next incident cited below proves my case
>>> better than I ever
>>> could........
>>>
>>> http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L...
>>>
>>> Pirates seize U.S.-owned, Italy-flagged
>>> tugboat 11 Apr 2009 13:49:03 GMT
>>> Source: Reuters
>>> NAIROBI, April 11 (Reuters) - Pirates seized
>>> a U.S.-owned and
>>> Italian-flagged tugboat with 16 crew on
>>> Saturday in the latest hijacking
>> in
>>> the busy Gulf of Aden waterway, a regional
>>> maritime group said.
>>>
>>> Andrew Mwangura, of the Mombasa-based East
>>> African Seafarers' Assistance
>>> Programme, said the crew were believed to be
>>> unharmed on the tugboat,
>> which
>>> he added was operated from the United Arab
>>> Emirates.
>>
>> All tough right wing talk worth exactly what we
>> are paying for it. The Navy
>> has the life boat in view and is preventing
>> other pirates from "rescuing"
>> the four pirates holding the Capitan. The
>> reason they apparently don't act a
>> s you think they should is because they don't
>> want to lose the Capitan and
>> other hostages.
>
> What other hostages? You need to know your facts
> on this one?
>
>> The French (yes the surrender monkeys as you
>> would call
>> them) stormed a boat the other day freeing a
>> couple of hostages but got one
>> killed. Is that what we should do? Instead of
>> complaining, tell us what we
>> should do? Talk is cheap but you have no
>> solutions.
>
> How bout some frogmen surfacing from out of the
> depths in the middle of the night? There's but
> one hostage and only 4-gunmen pirates. Whatever
> happens on this one, it will be on bamby's
> watch. And if the Navy isn't doing anything
> tactical, the most likely reason is because
> bamby is holding them at bay..............
>
>> Bush's belligerence got us into stupid trillion
>> dollar wars with no end.
>
> Quit looking stupid, lib. Bush is a private
> citizen now. bamby is in charge now and you can
> bet her enemies are watching this very
> closely.................
>
>> How'd that work out?? Did we ever get Bin Laden
>> or Al Zawahiri, hell NO! So
>> don't talk so though until you know what you
>> are talking about or what to
>> do.
>
> Israel has had a terrorist evade them for over
> 20-years. But I'd go back to the NYT which
> advised Bin Laden that the US was tracking him
> on his cell phone, an act toutamont to treason
> and one which probably let him go free early on
> when his capture or death would have had the
> greatest impact..............
>
> But I do enjoy you trying to blame Bush
> nonetheless. It proves liberal thinking is
> vanquished and convoluted as ever......
>
>
>> Of course one has to ask, why are ships plying
>> those water un-armed and
>> un-escorted? I'm sure you would agree that if
>> you or I owned a ship, we'd
>> sure as hell arm it with sufficient weapons and
>> personnel to thwart these
>> attacks. Why the owners have chosen not to do
>> that is beyond me. I guess
>> they'd rather pay ransoms than protect their
>> ships. Of course at this point
>> it has escalated to the point that the world
>> has to act. What should the US
>> do? .Mostly this is not a US problem until very
>> recently.
>>
>> We've been down this road before. Keep in mind
>> that the "Shores of Tripoli"
>> in the Marine Corp Hymn is a reference to the
>> 1790's fight with the Barbary
>> Pirates also off of the coast of Africa. I
>> guess we have to do it again.
>>
>>
>

You haven't a clue.
You are not up on the facts.
Your "strategy" is equal to the failed strategy of
bush,jr, liar, loser, and world class incompetent

Sid9

4/11/2009 8:15:00 PM

"Bill Z." <nobody@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in
message news:87y6u72bvg.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
> "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> "MioMyo" <USA_Patriot@Somewhere.com> wrote in
>> message
>> news:Up4El.15485$8_3.13000@flpi147.ffdc.sbc.com...
>>> How bout some frogmen surfacing from out of
>>> the depths in the middle of
>> the
>>> night? There's but one hostage and only
>>> 4-gunmen pirates. Whatever happens
>>> on this one, it will be on bamby's watch. And
>>> if the Navy isn't doing
>>> anything tactical, the most likely reason is
>>> because bamby is holding them
>>> at bay..............
>>
>> I think that is a great idea. Frogmen (Navy
>> Seals) could easily take that
>> boat at night. I thought they out to just sink
>> it and see how the Pirates
>> use their weapons while trying to swim for it.
>> We already know the Capitan
>> can swim. Maybe Obama is holding the Navy at
>> bay, I hope not. I would agree
>> with you there.
>
> According to newspaper reports, the boat has a
> cover on it and the
> pirates and hostage are inside, with everything
> sealed up in case
> someone decides to shoot at the pirates,
> accurately enough to hit
> them and not their hostage. Unfortunately, that
> means that if Navy
> Seals sneak up on it, there might not be enough
> time to capture
> the pirates before they can kill the hostage.
> If they are planning
> any such operation, it makes sense to take their
> time to plan it
> very carefully. Also, it is supposedly very hot
> inside the boat the
> pirates are in due to everything being sealed
> up. If you wait, the
> pirates will simply get more and more tired each
> day, and maybe
> more and more complacent. Eventually they will
> run out of food and
> water.
>
> None of us are there. Don't criticize them
> until you know the full
> story. And it is silly to blame Obama - he's
> smart enough to know
> that he should not be trying to micromanage
> this.
>

The life boat has been shown on CNN. It's a
completely enclosed capsule.
Our captain would be dead before an inch of water
got into that boat.

Captain Phillips is lucky that bush,jr/ Cheney are
not in charge.
He's lucky that people who think this thing out
before they shoot are in control.

Most likely we will get him out and the pirates
will escape...for now.
We get them when the outcome favors us and not on
the pirates terms.

So much for the "shoot from the hip" cowboys.

Sid9

4/11/2009 8:16:00 PM

"MioMyo" <USA_Patriot@Somewhere.com> wrote in
message
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>
> "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> wrote in
> message
> news:Cl5El.23083$c45.10854@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>
>> "MioMyo" <USA_Patriot@Somewhere.com> wrote in
>> message
>> news:Up4El.15485$8_3.13000@flpi147.ffdc.sbc.com...
>>> How bout some frogmen surfacing from out of
>>> the depths in the middle of
>> the
>>> night? There's but one hostage and only
>>> 4-gunmen pirates. Whatever happens
>>> on this one, it will be on bamby's watch. And
>>> if the Navy isn't doing
>>> anything tactical, the most likely reason is
>>> because bamby is holding them
>>> at bay..............
>>
>> I think that is a great idea. Frogmen (Navy
>> Seals) could easily take that
>> boat at night. I thought they out to just sink
>> it and see how the Pirates
>> use their weapons while trying to swim for it.
>> We already know the Capitan
>> can swim. Maybe Obama is holding the Navy at
>> bay, I hope not. I would agree
>> with you there.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> > Bush's belligerence got us into stupid
>>> > trillion dollar wars with no end.
>>>
>>> Quit looking stupid, lib. Bush is a private
>>> citizen now. bamby is in
>> charge
>>> now and you can bet her enemies are watching
>>> this very
>>> closely.
>>
>> Bush had nothing to do with this and I never
>> said he did. . It's the
>> belligerent attitude that got us NO Where
>> except hated around the world. It
>> didn't even catch the perpetrators of 9/11.
>
> That's nothing more and nothing less than a
> liberally contrived opinion which leftist keep
> attempting to hammer into the American mind-set.
> There's no such recognized polling data
> confirming such nonsense, but the mere fact that
> you would bring it up when it's but a partisan
> 15-minutes ago opinion proves how desperate you
> are to resurrect those boogey strawmen of
> yesteryear......
>
>> Smart people do what works not
>> wage useless wars against imaginary foes.
>
> Smart people don't have to concoct such partisan
> strawmen as you just did above.
>
>> Thanks for calling me a LIB!
>
> No prob.
>
>> That's what I proudly am.
>
> Good for you cause most run in shame.
>
>> If you think that is
>> somehow a horrible pejorative, you're sadly
>> mistaken and uniformed.
>
> It's an ideology which I happen to disagree with
> and also most Americans do too since reputable
> polling proves the country is center right.

How come you are so detached from the reality of
what bush,jr / Cheney did to our country?

How come you're so detached from the welcome Obama
received from the world community for the simple
reason that he's "not-bush"?

Sid9

4/11/2009 8:18:00 PM

"sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> wrote in
> message
> news:Cl5El.23083$c45.10854@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>
>> "MioMyo" <USA_Patriot@Somewhere.com> wrote in
>> message
>> news:Up4El.15485$8_3.13000@flpi147.ffdc.sbc.com...
>>> How bout some frogmen surfacing from out of
>>> the depths in the middle of
>> the
>>> night? There's but one hostage and only
>>> 4-gunmen pirates. Whatever happens
>>> on this one, it will be on bamby's watch. And
>>> if the Navy isn't doing
>>> anything tactical, the most likely reason is
>>> because bamby is holding them
>>> at bay..............
>>
>> I think that is a great idea. Frogmen (Navy
>> Seals) could easily take that
>> boat at night. I thought they out to just sink
>> it and see how the Pirates
>> use their weapons while trying to swim for it.
>> We already know the Capitan
>> can swim. Maybe Obama is holding the Navy at
>> bay, I hope not. I would agree
>> with you there.
>
>
> Our man would be dead before there would be an
> inch of water in that lifeboat.
>
> Have you seen what that lifeboat looks like?
>
> That's a bush,jr /Cheney stupid cowboy solution
> from someone who hasn?t got the facts.
>
> What's the goal?
>
> Getting our captain back alive or repairing your
> damaged ego?
>
> We will ive to fight another day...when the odds
> for success are in our favor.
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> > Bush's belligerence got us into stupid
>>> > trillion dollar wars with no end.
>>>
>>> Quit looking stupid, lib. Bush is a private
>>> citizen now. bamby is in
>> charge
>>> now and you can bet her enemies are watching
>>> this very
>>> closely.
>>
>> Bush had nothing to do with this and I never
>> said he did. . It's the
>> belligerent attitude that got us NO Where
>> except hated around the world. It
>> didn't even catch the perpetrators of 9/11.
>> Smart people do what works not
>> wage useless wars against imaginary foes.
>>
>>
>> Thanks for calling me a LIB! That's what I
>> proudly am. If you think that is
>> somehow a horrible pejorative, you're sadly
>> mistaken and uniformed.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

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4/11/2009 8:21:00 PM

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> "MioMyo" <USA_Patriot@Somewhere.com> wrote in
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>> "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> wrote in
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>>> "MioMyo" <USA_Patriot@Somewhere.com> wrote in
>>> message
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>>>> Either bamby should have never sent the Navy
>>>> into this first incident
>>> (where
>>>> he is now allowing 4-gunmen make our military
>>>> look foolish), or he should
>>>> have given them the green light to deal with
>>>> these thugs according to
>>>> international maritime laws.
>>>>
>>>> Since that hasn't happened, it means bamby
>>>> has
>>>> hamstrung them from doing
>>>> anything except being a presence.
>>>> BIG-WHOOPEE.... Anyone can see how much
>>>> this has helped.
>>>>
>>>> Such actions or rather inactions are
>>>> tantamount to Ronald Reagan's when he
>>>> put a marine base in Lebanon but didn't allow
>>>> them to defend themselves by
>>>> not having the authorization to shoot when
>>>> being attacked.
>>>>
>>>> Now bamby's actions and/or inactions are
>>>> leading the US down the same
>>> path.
>>>> All you dumb ass liberals who think otherwise
>>>> better wise up cause if you
>>>> don't think Putin, the Iranian radicals and
>>>> N.
>>>> Koreans aren't watching
>>>> carefully what a wuss your messiah is, then
>>>> you are sheepish-fools, aka-
>>>> fodder in wait for your own
>>>> skewering.........
>>>>
>>>> This next incident cited below proves my case
>>>> better than I ever
>>>> could........
>>>>
>>>> http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L...
>>>>
>>>> Pirates seize U.S.-owned, Italy-flagged
>>>> tugboat 11 Apr 2009 13:49:03 GMT
>>>> Source: Reuters
>>>> NAIROBI, April 11 (Reuters) - Pirates seized
>>>> a U.S.-owned and
>>>> Italian-flagged tugboat with 16 crew on
>>>> Saturday in the latest hijacking
>>> in
>>>> the busy Gulf of Aden waterway, a regional
>>>> maritime group said.
>>>>
>>>> Andrew Mwangura, of the Mombasa-based East
>>>> African Seafarers' Assistance
>>>> Programme, said the crew were believed to be
>>>> unharmed on the tugboat,
>>> which
>>>> he added was operated from the United Arab
>>>> Emirates.
>>>
>>> All tough right wing talk worth exactly what
>>> we
>>> are paying for it. The Navy
>>> has the life boat in view and is preventing
>>> other pirates from "rescuing"
>>> the four pirates holding the Capitan. The
>>> reason they apparently don't act a
>>> s you think they should is because they don't
>>> want to lose the Capitan and
>>> other hostages.
>>
>> What other hostages? You need to know your
>> facts
>> on this one?
>>
>>> The French (yes the surrender monkeys as you
>>> would call
>>> them) stormed a boat the other day freeing a
>>> couple of hostages but got one
>>> killed. Is that what we should do? Instead of
>>> complaining, tell us what we
>>> should do? Talk is cheap but you have no
>>> solutions.
>>
>> How bout some frogmen surfacing from out of the
>> depths in the middle of the night? There's but
>> one hostage and only 4-gunmen pirates. Whatever
>> happens on this one, it will be on bamby's
>> watch. And if the Navy isn't doing anything
>> tactical, the most likely reason is because
>> bamby is holding them at bay..............
>>
>>> Bush's belligerence got us into stupid
>>> trillion
>>> dollar wars with no end.
>>
>> Quit looking stupid, lib. Bush is a private
>> citizen now. bamby is in charge now and you can
>> bet her enemies are watching this very
>> closely.................
>>
>>> How'd that work out?? Did we ever get Bin
>>> Laden
>>> or Al Zawahiri, hell NO! So
>>> don't talk so though until you know what you
>>> are talking about or what to
>>> do.
>>
>> Israel has had a terrorist evade them for over
>> 20-years. But I'd go back to the NYT which
>> advised Bin Laden that the US was tracking him
>> on his cell phone, an act toutamont to treason
>> and one which probably let him go free early on
>> when his capture or death would have had the
>> greatest impact..............
>>
>> But I do enjoy you trying to blame Bush
>> nonetheless. It proves liberal thinking is
>> vanquished and convoluted as ever......
>>
>>
>>> Of course one has to ask, why are ships plying
>>> those water un-armed and
>>> un-escorted? I'm sure you would agree that if
>>> you or I owned a ship, we'd
>>> sure as hell arm it with sufficient weapons
>>> and
>>> personnel to thwart these
>>> attacks. Why the owners have chosen not to do
>>> that is beyond me. I guess
>>> they'd rather pay ransoms than protect their
>>> ships. Of course at this point
>>> it has escalated to the point that the world
>>> has to act. What should the US
>>> do? .Mostly this is not a US problem until
>>> very
>>> recently.
>>>
>>> We've been down this road before. Keep in mind
>>> that the "Shores of Tripoli"
>>> in the Marine Corp Hymn is a reference to the
>>> 1790's fight with the Barbary
>>> Pirates also off of the coast of Africa. I
>>> guess we have to do it again.
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> You haven't a clue.
> You are not up on the facts.
> Your "strategy" is equal to the failed strategy
> of
> bush,jr, liar, loser, and world class
> incompetent
>

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