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Stephen Kellett

7/16/2005 10:00:00 AM

Hi Folks,

Just browsing c.l.py and found this advertised as a Rails killer... hmmm
not very friendly.

http://www.djangopr...

Make of it what you will.

Stephen
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21 Answers

gabriele renzi

7/16/2005 11:23:00 AM

0

Stephen Kellett ha scritto:
> Hi Folks,
>
> Just browsing c.l.py and found this advertised as a Rails killer... hmmm
> not very friendly.
>
> http://www.djangopr...

I thought Django just used to kill bandits and evil overlords! [1]


[1]
http://www.dvdmaniacs.net/Reviews/Q-T/spaghetti_wester...

Vincent Foley

7/16/2005 3:32:00 PM

0

It's Django Fett, beware!

Seriously, I don't think a good full-stack web-development framework
for Python is a bad thing. Sure, some people may decide to use it
instead of Rails, but what are you gonna do about that? We can see
what they did right and try to bring that to Rails. I think one of
most important things to eventually get into Rails is being able to use
an already-existing database. I don't know, maybe with a YAML file, a
legacy.rb file, whatever. I don't know if django has that, but if they
do, it might be a good thing t investigate it.

Vincent.

james_b

7/16/2005 6:03:00 PM

0

Stephen Kellett wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> Just browsing c.l.py and found this advertised as a Rails killer... hmmm
> not very friendly.
>
> http://www.djangopr...
>
> Make of it what you will.

See the thread on the Rails dev list about Django.

James

Nicholas Van Weerdenburg

7/16/2005 6:53:00 PM

0

On 7/16/05, gabriele renzi <surrender_it@remove-yahoo.it> wrote:
> Stephen Kellett ha scritto:
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > Just browsing c.l.py and found this advertised as a Rails killer... hmmm
> > not very friendly.
> >
> > http://www.djangopr...
>
> I thought Django just used to kill bandits and evil overlords! [1]
>
>
> [1]
> http://www.dvdmaniacs.net/Reviews/Q-T/spaghetti_wester...
>
>

Django Reinhart, my favorite Jazz artist-

http://www.djangomontreal.com/doc/Djang...

Nick
--
Nicholas Van Weerdenburg

ptkwt

7/16/2005 11:34:00 PM

0

In article <05th9VCgqN2CFwW4@objmedia.demon.co.uk>,
Stephen Kellett <snail@objmedia.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Hi Folks,
>
>Just browsing c.l.py and found this advertised as a Rails killer... hmmm
>not very friendly.
>
> http://www.djangopr...
>
>Make of it what you will.
>

I'm not much of a web programmer nor have I done any SQL so when I went
through Curt Hibb's Rails tutorial I kept thinking "why do I have to mess
with this SQL stuff? Why can't I describe the data/tables in Ruby and
then have Rails take care of all that stuff for me" (it seemed somehow like
the DRY principle was being violated).

So the first thing I notice about Django just now was:

"Design your model
Start by describing your database layout in Python code. Django's
data-model API offers many rich ways of representing your models -- ...

Install it
Next, run the Django command-line utility. It'll create the database
tables for you automatically, in the database specified in your Django
settings."

This seems appealing. Is there a way of doing this in Rails?

Phil

gabriele renzi

7/17/2005 12:17:00 AM

0

Phil Tomson ha scritto:

>
> This seems appealing. Is there a way of doing this in Rails?

AFAIK this cannot be done with rails' ActiveRecord but it should be
possible to do it with Og, the object/relational bridge in nitro.
And you should be able to mix & match pieces from nitro and rails (and
wee). Cool ain't it? ;)

james_b

7/17/2005 1:21:00 AM

0

Phil Tomson wrote:
> In article <05th9VCgqN2CFwW4@objmedia.demon.co.uk>,
> Stephen Kellett <snail@objmedia.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Hi Folks,
>>
>>Just browsing c.l.py and found this advertised as a Rails killer... hmmm
>>not very friendly.
>>
>> http://www.djangopr...
>>
>>Make of it what you will.
>>
>
>
> I'm not much of a web programmer nor have I done any SQL so when I went
> through Curt Hibb's Rails tutorial I kept thinking "why do I have to mess
> with this SQL stuff? Why can't I describe the data/tables in Ruby and
> then have Rails take care of all that stuff for me" (it seemed somehow like
> the DRY principle was being violated).

This is how Nitro works. The class definitions drive the tables, not
the other way around.

www.nitrohq.com


James


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Joe Van Dyk

7/17/2005 2:06:00 AM

0

On 7/16/05, Vincent Foley <vfoley@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's Django Fett, beware!
>
> Seriously, I don't think a good full-stack web-development framework
> for Python is a bad thing. Sure, some people may decide to use it
> instead of Rails, but what are you gonna do about that? We can see
> what they did right and try to bring that to Rails. I think one of
> most important things to eventually get into Rails is being able to use
> an already-existing database. I don't know, maybe with a YAML file, a
> legacy.rb file, whatever. I don't know if django has that, but if they
> do, it might be a good thing t investigate it.

Rails can use existing databases just fine. You lose some of the
magic stuff, but most of it works fine, AFAIK.

Joe Van Dyk

7/17/2005 2:08:00 AM

0

On 7/16/05, James Britt <james_b@neurogami.com> wrote:
> Phil Tomson wrote:
> > In article <05th9VCgqN2CFwW4@objmedia.demon.co.uk>,
> > Stephen Kellett <snail@objmedia.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >>Hi Folks,
> >>
> >>Just browsing c.l.py and found this advertised as a Rails killer... hmmm
> >>not very friendly.
> >>
> >> http://www.djangopr...
> >>
> >>Make of it what you will.
> >>
> >
> >
> > I'm not much of a web programmer nor have I done any SQL so when I went
> > through Curt Hibb's Rails tutorial I kept thinking "why do I have to mess
> > with this SQL stuff? Why can't I describe the data/tables in Ruby and
> > then have Rails take care of all that stuff for me" (it seemed somehow like
> > the DRY principle was being violated).
>
> This is how Nitro works. The class definitions drive the tables, not
> the other way around.
>
> www.nitrohq.com
>
>

If you use Migrations (introduced very recently with Rails), you can
specify the database structure in Rails. All that's needed is for you
to create the database.

james_b

7/17/2005 5:02:00 AM

0

Joe Van Dyk wrote:

>>
>
>
> If you use Migrations (introduced very recently with Rails), you can
> specify the database structure in Rails. All that's needed is for you
> to create the database.

Oh, so as I develop my application and change my objects, the database
changes along with it? Interesting.

James



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