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Does Ruby/Tk have all features as perl/Tk or java swing?

ngoc

7/12/2005 9:51:00 PM

Hi
I am perl and java programmer. I want to make a quite complex
application using a lot GUI components like Spreadsheet, Menu, Tab
etc..in Ruby. I have tried Ruby for some simple non-GUI applications and
really like the language. It will be time consumming if I start to write
software in Ruby and later find out that it lacks this and that. So
someone have worked much with Ruby/Tk can answer my questions.
1. Does Ruby/Tk have all features as perl/Tk or java swing?
2. Does Ruby have features like Java Applet running in a web browser?
3. JRuby is an interpreter that I can run both java and ruby on it. But
what is the benefit of that function for programmer and user?
Thanks
ngoc
10 Answers

Dido Sevilla

7/12/2005 11:37:00 PM

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On 7/13/05, ngoc <ngoc@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 1. Does Ruby/Tk have all features as perl/Tk or java swing?

Perl/Tk perhaps. Swing, it's been a long time since I've programmed
that. A better bet for a GUI toolkit for Ruby in my experience is
FXRuby. It has all of the features you've mentioned and then some.

> 2. Does Ruby have features like Java Applet running in a web browser?

AFAIK, no. That would require a Ruby plugin for whatever browser you
want to support.

> 3. JRuby is an interpreter that I can run both java and ruby on it. But
> what is the benefit of that function for programmer and user?

Correction, JRuby is an implementation of the Ruby interpreter in
Java. The benefits of such a thing I think would be obvious: you can
access Java classes from a Ruby program, you can integrate the two
languages better.

Joe Van Dyk

7/12/2005 11:46:00 PM

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On 7/12/05, Dido Sevilla <dido.sevilla@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7/13/05, ngoc <ngoc@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 1. Does Ruby/Tk have all features as perl/Tk or java swing?
>
> Perl/Tk perhaps. Swing, it's been a long time since I've programmed
> that. A better bet for a GUI toolkit for Ruby in my experience is
> FXRuby. It has all of the features you've mentioned and then some.

What advantages does Fox have over Tk?

Dido Sevilla

7/13/2005

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On 7/13/05, Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@gmail.com> wrote:
> What advantages does Fox have over Tk?

Well, it seems to have a more full-featured set of widgets for one. It
seems that while Ruby/Tk is simpler to program FXRuby seems to offer
more for larger projects. It's also integrated into the One-Click
installer as of the latest version, where Ruby/Tk is not. The last
pretty much decided the issue for me, as I had to write a Ruby GUI
that had to run cleanly both on GNU/Linux and Windows and be
relatively painless to deploy, especially on Windows.

Hidetoshi NAGAI

7/13/2005 6:50:00 AM

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Joe Van Dyk

7/13/2005 7:27:00 AM

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On 7/12/05, Hidetoshi NAGAI <nagai@ai.kyutech.ac.jp> wrote:
> From: ngoc <ngoc@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Does Ruby/Tk have all features as perl/Tk or java swing?
> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:55:50 +0900
> Message-ID: <42d43b3a$1@news.broadpark.no>
> > 1. Does Ruby/Tk have all features as perl/Tk or java swing?
>
> perl/Tk uses the "ptk" library. I heard that includes standard Tk
> widgets and some megawidgets from some extensions.
> Ruby/Tk uses standard Tcl/Tk libraries. Then, the features of
> Ruby/Tk is less than perl/Tk.
> However, Ruby/Tk can use almost all of Tcl/Tk extensions.
> At leaset 1.8.2 or later, Ruby/Tk has support libraries for some
> Tcl/Tk extensions. If includes such supports, Ruby/Tk has more
> features than perl/Tk.
> And it will be also an advantage that Ruby/Tk can use the features
> of the latest Tcl/Tk.
> Ruby/Tk can work with the latest Tcl/Tk 8.4.11 or 8.5a3.

So if I want to use Tk 8.5a3, I just install it and I can use it
through Ruby? Do I need to recompile Ruby if I update Tk?

Hidetoshi NAGAI

7/13/2005 7:57:00 AM

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Lothar Scholz

7/13/2005 9:07:00 AM

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Hello Joe,

JVD> On 7/12/05, Dido Sevilla <dido.sevilla@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 7/13/05, ngoc <ngoc@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > 1. Does Ruby/Tk have all features as perl/Tk or java swing?
>>
>> Perl/Tk perhaps. Swing, it's been a long time since I've programmed
>> that. A better bet for a GUI toolkit for Ruby in my experience is
>> FXRuby. It has all of the features you've mentioned and then some.

JVD> What advantages does Fox have over Tk?

Advantage:
Faster, smaller, better (more ruby like) API.

Disadvantage:
Not all widgets exist or at comparable quality
(TkCanvas, TkText, TkTable), no I18N and L17N.

If you need a basic feature it is much easier to add it with C++ to
FOX + Ruby Binding as it is with TK. In a complex application you
always have to do this, in simpler apps you don't need to care about
it.


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mrt

7/13/2005 1:08:00 PM

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What about wxRuby?

wx uses native widgets on all platforms, and is a good choice if you
want a cross-platform app that feels native. Personally, I don't like
the way Tk apps feel.

wx would be my first choice, if wxRuby is mature enough.

Lothar Scholz

7/13/2005 1:48:00 PM

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Hello Mark,

MT> What about wxRuby?

MT> wx uses native widgets on all platforms, and is a good choice if you
MT> want a cross-platform app that feels native. Personally, I don't like
MT> the way Tk apps feel.

MT> wx would be my first choice, if wxRuby is mature enough.

What wxRuby are you talking about ?
0.6 or the current CVS head.

I never tried the latest releases, but 0.6 is definitely not mature
enough for mission critical applications. There are some serious
problems with garbage collection.


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Lothar Scholz http://www.ru...
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Naked Gonad

11/24/2008 9:21:00 AM

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Eli Grubman wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:35:29 +0000, Naked Gonad
> <bodron57@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Eli Grubman wrote:
>>> On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:44:59 +0000, Naked Gonad
>>> <bodron57@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:15:19 +0000, Naked Gonad
>>>>> <bodron57@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:20:14 +0000, Naked Gonad
>>>>>>> <bodron57@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:25:44 +0000, Naked Gonad
>>>>>>>>> <bodron57@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:31:28 +0000, Naked Gonad
>>>>>>>>>>> <bodron57@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:48:49 +0000, Naked Gonad
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bodron57@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:00:05 +0000, Naked Gonad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bodron57@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:37:19 +0000, Naked Gonad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bodron57@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:44:28 +0000, Naked Gonad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bodron57@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:17:32 +0000, Naked Gonad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bodron57@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:52:02 +0000, Naked Gonad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bodron57@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:05:58 +0000, Naked Gonad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bodron57@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:08:21 +0000, Naked Gonad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bodron57@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John "C" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Naked Gonad" <bodron57@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:49203aed_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John "C" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Naked Gonad" <bodron57@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:49202d0f$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:57:22 +0000, Naked Gonad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bodron57@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:52:03 +0000, Naked Gonad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bodron57@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:36:04 -0000, "Peter Hucker"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <none@spam.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:28:25 -0000, Eli Grubman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <eli.grubman@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:33:50 -0000, "Peter Hucker"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <none@spam.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 04:15:28 -0000, Eli Grubman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <eli.grubman@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:53:55 -0000, "Peter Hucker"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <none@spam.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:33:48 -0000, Naked Gonad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bodron57@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 03:40:32 -0000, Eli Grubman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <eli.grubman@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:18:38 -0000, "Peter Hucker"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <none@spam.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would it have made a difference if it wasn't there?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, see my reply to Gonad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nought is accepted as meaning nothing generally.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In a bank account 0 or 0 recurring=nothing, try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convincing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the bank that the 0 counts as anything more than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is not the same as nothing. An empty bank account is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not the same as no bank account.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One is as useless as the other.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not if you have an overdraft agreement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's even worse.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rubbish. Take the banks for all they've got!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And when you can't pay they'll take you for all you've got (if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They will have already done that by charging high interest on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overdraft.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if you can't afford to pay back the interest they will go
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your car/house/wife/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The last resort will be to shoot you.(give it time).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't you people have debtors' prisons any more???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bring back the workhouses!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bring back the whore houses!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Filthy but nice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, pal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They should build blow job bars.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have those.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does it give one the blow job blues?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're mostly for the blecks. You'd have to ask one of them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zippadee doo da!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, he's one of them. BOING!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time for bed?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those demn blecks, that's all they think of.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Possible sleeping sickness?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Probably just lazy kaffirs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Possibly comatose?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It often seems that way until one sets the dogs on them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But they could be barking up the wrong tree.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not to worry. They'll hound them down.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only if they twig it!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even if they branch out, they'll get caught.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But who be-leaves that?
>>>>>>>>>>> It's treeson not to!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wouldn't that sap ones strenght?
>>>>>>>>> Not if one is firmy rooted in position.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But that doesn't stop trunk rot though.
>>>>>>> It wood, woodn't it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You'd have to check the rings for that.
>>>>> Why not just axe it how old it is?
>>>>>
>>>> Always keep both hands on yer chopper!
>>> Shiver me timbers!
>>>
>> Is that like tree hugging?
>
> Commie pinko faggot treehugging bedwetters.
>
There's one in every jungle (apparently).