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[ANN] the Ruby Programming Shop

pat eyler

4/22/2005 2:47:00 PM

Announcing the Ruby Programming Shop (RPS)

It's no secret that there is a lot of Ruby code out there that needs
to be cleaned
up (it's old, untested, undocumented, and maybe even abandoned). The RPS
povides a way to 'rescue' that code and make it shine. We'll limit
ourselves to
free software, and will contact the original author (when possible) to
get his/her
blessing.

There are a lot of Ruby-nubies out there (and more every day). They (and we)
could all use the opportunity to sit down with a veteran Ruby programmer, to
learn 'the Ruby way'. The RPS will give them the opprtunity to do just that.

We'll pick one library to work on for two months at a time, this will
a project.
One person (or a Ruby Brigade) will take charge of coordinating each project.
Every project will be split into 4-5 two week iterations. Each iteration will
conclude with a release to the community of the work done so far. Each
project will conclude with a final release of the project back to the original
maintainer (should one exist) or to a new maintainer (if the library was
abandoned).

Please join us at our wiki:
http://therps.rubyforge.org/wi...

and on our mailing list:
http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/therp...

Right now, we need to flesh out our list of libraries to work on, and select a
library for May/June. Come on in, sit down, and help make Ruby shine!

--
thanks,
-pate
-------------------------
We are often unable to tell people what they need to know, because
they want to know something else, and would therefore only
misunderstand what we said
- the Raven (George MacDonald, Lilith)
10 Answers

Ghislain MARY

4/22/2005 5:07:00 PM

0

Very good initiative!

I'll keep an eye on the project and try to help if I can ;)

See you

Balwinder S Dheeman

4/22/2005 6:34:00 PM

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On 04/22/2005 08:16 PM, pat eyler wrote:
> Announcing the Ruby Programming Shop (RPS)
>
> It's no secret that there is a lot of Ruby code out there that needs
> to be cleaned
> up (it's old, untested, undocumented, and maybe even abandoned). The RPS
> povides a way to 'rescue' that code and make it shine. We'll limit
> ourselves to
> free software, and will contact the original author (when possible) to
> get his/her
> blessing.
>
> There are a lot of Ruby-nubies out there (and more every day). They (and we)
> could all use the opportunity to sit down with a veteran Ruby programmer, to
> learn 'the Ruby way'. The RPS will give them the opprtunity to do just that.
>
> We'll pick one library to work on for two months at a time, this will
> a project.
> One person (or a Ruby Brigade) will take charge of coordinating each project.
> Every project will be split into 4-5 two week iterations. Each iteration will
> conclude with a release to the community of the work done so far. Each
> project will conclude with a final release of the project back to the original
> maintainer (should one exist) or to a new maintainer (if the library was
> abandoned).
>
> Please join us at our wiki:
> http://therps.rubyforge.org/wi...

Huh? On a rubyforge site what wiki.pl (perl) is for?

> and on our mailing list:
> http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/therp...

Both the mailing-list archiver 'pipermail' and mailing-list manager
'mailman' are python powered here too; but why?

> Right now, we need to flesh out our list of libraries to work on, and select a
> library for May/June. Come on in, sit down, and help make Ruby shine!

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pat eyler

4/22/2005 7:23:00 PM

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On 4/22/05, Dr Balwinder S Dheeman <bsd.SANSPAM@cto.homelinux.net> wrote:
> On 04/22/2005 08:16 PM, pat eyler wrote:
> > Please join us at our wiki:
> > http://therps.rubyforge.org/wi...
>
> Huh? On a rubyforge site what wiki.pl (perl) is for?
>
> > and on our mailing list:
> > http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/therp...
>
> Both the mailing-list archiver 'pipermail' and mailing-list manager
> 'mailman' are python powered here too; but why?
>

Dr. Dheeman. I believe (but can not answer authoritatively) that
RubyForge uses these because they're part of the basic sourceforge(?)
installation. They both work well enough that trying to replace them
would be a misuse of resources.

>
> --
> Dr Balwinder Singh Dheeman Registered Linux User: #229709
> CLLO (Chief Linux Learning Officer) Machines: #168573, 170593, 259192
> Anu's Linux@HOME Distros: Ubuntu, Fedora, Knoppix
> More: http://anu.homelinux... Visit: http://count...
>
>


--
thanks,
-pate
-------------------------
We are often unable to tell people what they need to know, because
they want to know something else, and would therefore only
misunderstand what we said
- the Raven (George MacDonald, Lilith)

mark sparshatt

4/22/2005 7:32:00 PM

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Dr Balwinder S Dheeman wrote:
> On 04/22/2005 08:16 PM, pat eyler wrote:
>
>> Announcing the Ruby Programming Shop (RPS)
>>
>> Please join us at our wiki:
>> http://therps.rubyforge.org/wi...
>
>
> Huh? On a rubyforge site what wiki.pl (perl) is for?
>
>> and on our mailing list:
>> http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/therp...
>
>
> Both the mailing-list archiver 'pipermail' and mailing-list manager
> 'mailman' are python powered here too; but why?
>

I don't mean to alarm you but Rubyforge uses the Gforge system which is
written in PHP ;-)


If I was to hazard a guess as to why I'd say becuase reusing a system
written in PHP, perl or python rather than rewriting them in ruby meant
there was more time available for administering the site.

--
Mark Sparshatt

Peter Suk

4/22/2005 8:34:00 PM

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On Apr 22, 2005, at 2:14 PM, Dr Balwinder S Dheeman wrote:

> On 04/22/2005 08:16 PM, pat eyler wrote:
>> http://therps.rubyforge.org/wi...
>
> Huh? On a rubyforge site what wiki.pl (perl) is for?

Would we be glad if some Perl-folks decided to use instiki? Or would
we use this fact as ammunition in our holy language war? Tools work.
Use them or not. Hope people do the same for the tools we build.

>> and on our mailing list:
>> http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/therp...
>
> Both the mailing-list archiver 'pipermail' and mailing-list manager
> 'mailman' are python powered here too; but why?

Language jingoism is not productive, IMHO. Tools work. Use them or
not. I'd want someone to use Ruby or Smalltalk, even if they were
running a project in Java/C/C#/Lisp/Perl. I note that there is a vmlm
mailing list manager written in Ruby. (Google: Ruby Mailing List
manager) Perhaps someone who is concerned should take a look, dust it
off, and give it a try. Or, if you want to write something better, you
are welcome! If you are not that concerned, and the list works, why
worry?

--Peter


--
There's neither heaven nor hell, save what we grant ourselves.
There's neither fairness nor justice, save what we grant each other.

james_b

4/22/2005 8:40:00 PM

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mark sparshatt wrote:
>> ...
>
> I don't mean to alarm you but Rubyforge uses the Gforge system which is
> written in PHP ;-)
>
>
> If I was to hazard a guess as to why I'd say becuase reusing a system
> written in PHP, perl or python rather than rewriting them in ruby meant
> there was more time available for administering the site.


This has been discussed before, and while eating your own dog food is
strongly encouraged, there are certain practical aspects. Ruby versions
of mailman or gforge would be sweet, but I'd rather see people spend
time breaking new ground or filling current needs where there are no
suitable applications.

I believe, though, that the perl-based wiki will be replaced with a Ruby
one before too long.

James

P.S.

This one also gives me a chuckle:
http://www.rubyonrails.com...



--

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http://www.r...
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Peter Suk

4/22/2005 8:53:00 PM

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On Apr 22, 2005, at 3:40 PM, James Britt wrote:

> P.S.
>
> This one also gives me a chuckle:
> http://www.rubyonrails.com...

Hmm, maybe Ruby code cleanup group using the Perl wiki and the python
MLM is like a cook letting someone else make his/her knives. The rails
php site is more of a not "eating your own cooking" thing.

--Peter

--
There's neither heaven nor hell, save what we grant ourselves.
There's neither fairness nor justice, save what we grant each other.

Tom Copeland

4/22/2005 11:08:00 PM

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On Sat, 2005-04-23 at 05:40 +0900, James Britt wrote:
> I believe, though, that the perl-based wiki will be replaced with a Ruby
> one before too long.

Yup, replacing it with Ruwiki:

http://rubyforge.org/projec...

is the master plan...

Yours,

Tom

Balwinder S Dheeman

4/23/2005 1:37:00 AM

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On 04/23/2005 02:10 AM, James Britt wrote:
> mark sparshatt wrote:
>> I don't mean to alarm you but Rubyforge uses the Gforge system which
>> is written in PHP ;-)
>>
>>
>> If I was to hazard a guess as to why I'd say becuase reusing a system
>> written in PHP, perl or python rather than rewriting them in ruby
>> meant there was more time available for administering the site.
>
>
> This has been discussed before, and while eating your own dog food is
> strongly encouraged, there are certain practical aspects. Ruby versions
> of mailman or gforge would be sweet, but I'd rather see people spend
> time breaking new ground or filling current needs where there are no
> suitable applications.
>
> I believe, though, that the perl-based wiki will be replaced with a Ruby
> one before too long.

It definitely should; Though I'm a newbie, but I have learned (you may
please read it as read) somewhere from (and, or in) the Ruby documents
that Ruby outperforms many other scripting and, or interpreted languages.

--
Dr Balwinder Singh Dheeman Registered Linux User: #229709
CLLO (Chief Linux Learning Officer) Machines: #168573, 170593, 259192
Anu's Linux@HOME Distros: Ubuntu, Fedora, Knoppix
More: http://anu.homelinux... Visit: http://count...

Peter Suk

4/23/2005 4:57:00 AM

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On Apr 22, 2005, at 11:44 PM, Dr Balwinder S Dheeman wrote:

> It definitely should; Though I'm a newbie, but I have learned (you may
> please read it as read) somewhere from (and, or in) the Ruby documents
> that Ruby outperforms many other scripting and, or interpreted
> languages.

You really shouldn't believe what you read! ;-)

--
There's neither heaven nor hell, save what we grant ourselves.
There's neither fairness nor justice, save what we grant each other.