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moj[podkreslenie]adrresik

9/26/2006 10:30:00 AM

Witam.
Czy w programie w MS Visual .NET, w C# mo?na wyeksportowaa plik
graficzny w formacie wmf? Najlepiej gdyby mo?na by3o jako? skojarzya go
z obiektem np. Graphics albo jak?? kontrolk? typu Panel i w odpowiednim
momencie wyeksportowaa. Je?li trzeba by3oby osobno umieszczaa elementy
graficzne w Graphics i w utworzonym pliku metafile to te? bedzie ok :)
Szuka3em w msdn ale niestety nie znalaz3em nic, a potrzebne mi
wygenerowanie metafile z okre?lon? zawarto?ci?.
Pozdrawiam
Micha3

8 Answers

ris

9/26/2006 4:12:00 PM

Micha3 napisa3(a):
> Witam.
> Czy w programie w MS Visual .NET, w C# mo?na wyeksportowaa plik
> graficzny w formacie wmf? Najlepiej gdyby mo?na by3o jako? skojarzya go
> z obiektem np. Graphics albo jak?? kontrolk? typu Panel i w odpowiednim
> momencie wyeksportowaa. Je?li trzeba by3oby osobno umieszczaa elementy
> graficzne w Graphics i w utworzonym pliku metafile to te? bedzie ok :)
> Szuka3em w msdn ale niestety nie znalaz3em nic, a potrzebne mi
> wygenerowanie metafile z okre?lon? zawarto?ci?.
> Pozdrawiam
> Micha3
Mo?na, na codeproject.com widzia3em przyk3ady do tego.
r

Dan Christensen

2/25/2010 5:43:00 PM

On Feb 24, 2:19 pm, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

[snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or just too
lame to bother with]

> >>> Lie #1: PL denies his inner Nazi
>

What PL snipped for obvious reasons without indicating:

You have been unable to refute the fact that your beloved embargo is a
form of genocide under international law. And you continue to refuse
to even comment on -- never mind condemn! -- the murder and torture of
opponents of the Bush regime in its vast network of secret prisons
around the world.

> the "nazi" thing is just lies and slander on your part.

[snipping the same old Nazi-style lies and rationalizations]

As we see here, you are the one who, just like the original Nazis,
supports murder, torture and genocide -- whatever it takes to advance
the interests of your political masters. Again, it is easy to imagine
the reign of terror you would unleash on the Cuba people if you ever
had the chance again.

> >>> Lie #2: PL said Castro is directing efforts to get cash in Germany
> >>> Of course, you couldn't provide any proof. (snip)
> >> False.
> >> I have shown the regime acted in the same way in Norway and Germany.
> >> Juventud Rebelde, Xinhua and la Demajagua confirm it
>
> > You have shown no such thing.(snip)
>
> Deal with reality, Dan.
> Juventud Rebelde and La Demajagua have exposed your lies as shown in
> this thread

Bullshit. But thanks for confirming you have no proof that Castro is
directing efforts to get cash in Germany. You just made that up,
didn't you? What a loser!

>
> >>> Lie #3: PL denies embargo is genocide because Cuba has found other
> >>> suppliers
> >>> You would have us believe that genocidal trade sanctions(snip)
>
> > What PL also snipped for all too obvious reasons:
>
> > You would have us believe that genocidal trade sanctions are really
> > not so bad if most of the target population somehow manages to
> > survive
> > by finding alternative suppliers of food, medicines, etc.(snip)
>

What PL snipped for all too obvious reasons AGAIN!:

Under international law, the fact that Cubans are finding alternate
suppliers does not let you and your political masters off the hook for
genocide. Article 2c of the UN Genocide Convention states that the
crime of genocide includes, among other things, "deliberately
inflicting on the group conditions of life CALCULATED to bring about
its physical destruction in whole or in part." http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/ge...

Trade sanctions that -- as Amnesty International reported -- actually
"help deprive Cuba of vital access to medicines, new scientific and
medical technology, food, chemical water treatment and electricity"
certainly fall under this definition. No one -- not even YOU, it
seems! -- can deny that such sanctions would the lead to the deaths
and needless suffering of children and other vulnerable groups.
Whatever it takes, right, Mr. Lobbyist?

The fact that the death count was kept to a minimum is no excuse.
Under Article 2c, it is not even necessary to prove that a single
death resulted from an act of genocide. It is enough to be able
reasonably to infer that an act was merely CALCULATED to bring about a
population's physical destruction in whole or in part -- as your
beloved embargo most certainly was, notwithstanding ANY amount of food
sold for cash.

And as we see from Amnesty International recent reports (above), and
international condemnation by the UN General Assembly, no is buying
into your self-serving lies and rationalizations (previous posting)
that these sales where blocked for any other reason than pure
politics.

> thanks for again confirming there is no "genocide".
> You claimed Cuba can buy medicines and equipment as easily as Norway if
> it has cash.

Anyone will have difficulties buying medicines and equipment from US-
controlled companies if the regime finds out that the end-users are
Cuban. This bloodthirsty regime even blocked the sale of syringes to
UNICEF when it was discovered they would be used to vaccinate Cuban
children! See:
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/AMR25/007/2009/en/540b61a6-d0ec-493b-84c4-372a0b3c5067/amr250072...

And you fully support this, don't you, Mr. Lobbyist? It must really
piss you off that alternative suppliers were eventually found.
Nevertheless, this does not get you off the hook for genocide. It is
clear that these cruel and inhumane sanctions of yours were calculated
to kill Cuban children and other vulnerable groups. Under Article 2c
then, your beloved embargo is indeed a form of genocide. And no amount
US food for cash or any litany of economic woes in Cuba will get you
off the hook either. These are nothing more than rationalizations for
these criminal actions that you fully support.

Again, Amnesty International recently reported (my emphasis):

"Amnesty International urges the US government to lift the nearly five-
decade long economic and trade embargo against Cuba as it is
detrimental to the fulfillment of the economic and social rights of
the Cuban people. It OBSTRUCTS AND CONSTRAINS efforts by the Cuban
government to purchase essential medicines, medical equipment and
supplies, food and agricultural products, construction materials and
access to new technologies.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/AMR25/002/2009/en/e7b1efe4-27f4-4b2c-9a39-23c88749e39e/amr250022...

"The US embargo against Cuba is IMMORAL and should be lifted. It’s
preventing millions of Cubans from benefiting from vital medicines and
medical equipment essential for their health."

"Because of the US embargo, Cuba faces SEVERE RESTRICTIONS in
importing medicines, medical equipment or technologies from the USA or
from any US company abroad. The sanctions also limit other imports to
the island and restrict travel and the transfer of money."

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/report/president-obama-should-take-lead-lifting-embargo-against-cub...

"Amnesty International calls on the US Congress to take, WITHOUT
FURTHER DELAY, the necessary steps towards lifting the economic,
financial and trade embargo against Cuba...

"The UN General Assembly has repeatedly CONDEMNED the US embargo as
contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and international law.
On 29 October 2008 the UN General Assembly passed a resolution
reiterating for the 17th time its call on the USA to end its embargo
against Cuba. That resolution was adopted with 185 votes in favour,
three against and two abstentions. The Inter-American Commission on
Human Rights has also reiterated its position regarding “the impact of
such sanctions on the human rights of the Cuban people and, therefore,
INSISTS THAT THE EMBARGO BE LIFTED.”

"[E]xports of food and agricultural products to Cuba remain regulated
by the Department of Commerce and require a licence for export or re-
export. The export of medicines and medical supplies continues to be
SEVERELY LIMITED....

“The RESTRICTIONS IMPOSED BY THE EMBARGO help to deprive Cuba of vital
access to medicines, new scientific and medical technology, food,
chemical water treatment and electricity.”

http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/AMR25/007/2009/en/540b61a6-d0ec-493b-84c4-372a0b3c5067/amr250072...

Makes you proud, don't it, Mr. Lobbyist -- all your hard work finally
paying off!

> >>> Lie #4: PL claims I said Cuba cannot buy ANY medicines and equipment
> >>> from ANY source
> >>> You couldn't quote me. (snip)
> >> have done so and people can search for you claiming the sanctions were
> >> "genocide"
>
> > Thanks for confirming you STILL cannot quote me.
>
> (snip)
>
> Anyone can see that you have said for years that Cuba was stopped from
> buying medicines and equipment, Dan.

Then it should be easy to find a quote. What seems to be the problem,
Mr. Lobbyist?

> >>> Lie #5: PL claims that the Haitian government is paying for Cuban medical
> >>> services
> >>> You could find no proof of this either.(snip)
> >> false.
> >> I have posted the link to the "pact" for which Haiti needed funding
> >> (which Dan Christensen snipped of course)
>
> >> `I hope the meeting sends a signal to our other partner countries,
> >> because Haiti will need financial assistance to put some of these
> >> programmes into practice,'' Dessources said."
> >> Cuba to send more doctors to Haiti under aid pacthttp://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti-archive/msg...
>
> > [snip]
>
> > No proof here that the Haitian government is paying for Cuban medical
> > services.(snip)
>
> It says it needs to finance the projects.
> That says enough.
> It doesn't exclude the medical services in any way, Dan, neither
> explicitly or implicitly.

You mean it doesn't explicitly INCLUDE medical services. In the
example here (original posting), we see that it doesn't -- just
medicines and equipment. But thanks confirming that you have no proof
that the Haitian government is paying for Cuban medical services. You
just made it all up, didn’t you?

> >>>> >>> >>> Saving his BIGGEST LIE for last...
> >>>> >>> >>> Lie #7: PL insists that Cuba would only accept cash donations from
> >>>> >>> >>> Norway so they could use the money for other purposes!!!
> >>>> >> >> so why no goods, dan?
> >>>> >> >> Why cash.
> >>>> >> >> Post your proof that that was Norway's idea.
> >>>> > > You made the claim that Cuba refused donations in kind and insisted on cash. And it seems you can't prove it. As usual. (snip)
> >>>> Nope.
> >>>> I said they needed cash and cash they got.
> >>>> I said that donations would have been a safer bet.
> >>> Nice climb-down from: "That is why Cuba now wanted cash: to profit
> >>> from it!!!"
> >> (snip)
> >> Nope.
> >> Snippets out of context won't change facts.
>
> > Not taken out of context.(snip)
>
> Cuba wanted cash as it needs cash.
> Do you deny that Cuba needs cash?

So does the USA. They are massively in debt, thanks to your man Dubya
and his "bankster" cronies. What is your point?

> >> Norway to support Cuban doctors working in Haiti
> >> HAVANA, Jan 24, 2010 (Xinhua via COMTEX) --
>
> >> Norway has committed itself to supporting Cuba's medical relief work
> >> in
> >> Haiti, where a 7.3-magnitude earthquake has claimed more than 100,000
> >> lives, a local daily reported on Sunday.
>
> >> Juventud Rebelde reported that the governments of Cuba and Norway
> >> signed
> >> an agreement on Friday, under which Norway will donate 5 million
> >> crowns
> >> (around 885,000 U.S. dollars) to fund the mission of Cuban doctors in
> >> Haiti.
>
> > This is entirely consistent with the Norwegian press release
>
> (snip)
>
> Nope.
> It speaks of funding operations, the "mission".
> Not of merely purchasing supplies.
>

STILL desperately grasping at straws, eh, Mr. Lobbyist? When will you
learn?

"Norway will donate 5 million crowns (around 885,000 U.S. dollars) to
fund the mission of Cuban doctors in Haiti" is entirely consistent
with:

“Norway wants to support the lifesaving work Cuban doctors are doing
in Haiti. The money will be used to purchase much needed equipment and
medicines for the Cuban medical personnel."

But thanks for confirming you have no proof that Cuba would only
accept cash donations from Norway so they could use the money for
other purposes. You just made it all up, didn't you? Once again, we
see what a TRULY desperate liar you are, Mr. Lobbyist.

Dan
Visit my CUBA: Issues & Answers website at http://tiny....
(Note new address. Please update your bookmarks and links.)

PS: As an antidote to PL's venomous personal attacks on me, and to his
lies and evasions on everything from his lobbying exploits to the
international condemnation of his beloved embargo, see: "PL's same
tired old lies and evasions EXPOSED" at
http://groups.google.ca/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/36c96cf26743...

Dan Christensen

2/28/2010 4:59:00 PM

On Feb 25, 2:56 pm, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

[snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or just too
lame to bother with]
>
> >>>>> Lie #1: PL denies his inner Nazi
>
> > What PL snipped for obvious reasons without indicating:
>
> > You have been unable to refute the fact that your beloved embargo is a
> > form of genocide under international law. (snip)
>

What PL snipped for obvious reasons AGAIN!:

You have been unable to refute the fact that your beloved embargo is
a
form of genocide under international law. And you continue to refuse
to even comment on -- never mind condemn! -- the murder and torture
of
opponents of the Bush regime in its vast network of secret prisons
around the world.

> a lie.

Tell it to judge, Mr. Lobbyist. And don't forget your toothbrush.

Note that the cowardly PL has once again refused to even comment on --
never mind condemn! -- the murder and torture of opponents of the Bush
regime in its vast network of secret prisons around the world. Again,
it is easy to imagine the reign of terror you would unleash on the
Cuban people if you ever had the chance again. Whatever it takes,
right, Nazi boy?

> you just snipped the facts that exposed your lies.
> you also admitted you lied for years and that I was right: when Cuba
> could pay it had lots of other sources.

[snipping the same old Nazi-style rationalizations]

Despite your best efforts, Cubans have indeed been able to find
alternative sources for much of what they have to import. It must
really piss you off, but in no no way does this get you off the hook
for what amounts to genocide. And you can quit pretending that these
vital imports were blocked by the US regime for anything other purely
political reasons. Amnesty International and others have repeatedly
exposed that self-serving lie. (See below)

> >>>>> Lie #2: PL said Castro is directing efforts to get cash in Germany
> >>>>> Of course, you couldn't provide any proof. (snip)
> >>>> False.
> >>>> I have shown the regime acted in the same way in Norway and Germany.
> >>>> Juventud Rebelde, Xinhua and la Demajagua confirm it
> >>> You have shown no such thing.(snip)
> >> Deal with reality, Dan.
> >> Juventud Rebelde and La Demajagua have exposed your lies as shown in
> >> this thread
>
> > Bullshit. (snip)
>

What PL also snipped for obvious reasons:

Bullshit. But thanks for confirming you have no proof that Castro is
directing efforts to get cash in Germany. You just made that up,
didn't you? What a loser!

> Nope.
> facts.

[snip]

With your reputation here, you saying so just isn't enough. But thanks
for confirming you have no proof that Castro is
directing efforts to get cash in Germany.

> >>>>> Lie #3: PL denies embargo is genocide because Cuba has found other
> >>>>> suppliers
> >>>>> You would have us believe that genocidal trade sanctions(snip)
> >>> What PL also snipped for all too obvious reasons:
> >>> You would have us believe that genocidal trade sanctions are really
> >>> not so bad if most of the target population somehow manages to
> >>> survive
> >>> by finding alternative suppliers of food, medicines, etc.(snip)
>
> > What PL snipped for all too obvious reasons AGAIN!:
>
> > Under international law, the fact that Cubans are finding alternate
> > suppliers
>
> (snip)
>

What PL snipped for all too obvious reasons AGAIN!:

Under international law, the fact that Cubans are finding alternate
suppliers does not let you and your political masters off the hook
for
genocide. Article 2c of the UN Genocide Convention states that the
crime of genocide includes, among other things, "deliberately
inflicting on the group conditions of life CALCULATED to bring about
its physical destruction in whole or in part." http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/ge...

Trade sanctions that -- as Amnesty International reported -- actually
"help deprive Cuba of vital access to medicines, new scientific and
medical technology, food, chemical water treatment and electricity"
certainly fall under this definition. No one -- not even YOU, it
seems! -- can deny that such sanctions would the lead to the deaths
and needless suffering of children and other vulnerable groups.
Whatever it takes, right, Mr. Lobbyist?

The fact that the death count was kept to a minimum is no excuse.
Under Article 2c, it is not even necessary to prove that a single
death resulted from an act of genocide. It is enough to be able
reasonably to infer that an act was merely CALCULATED to bring about
a
population's physical destruction in whole or in part -- as your
beloved embargo most certainly was, notwithstanding ANY amount of
food
sold for cash.

And as we see from Amnesty International recent reports (above), and
international condemnation by the UN General Assembly, no is buying
into your self-serving lies and rationalizations (previous posting)
that these sales where blocked for any other reason than pure
politics.

> No genocide.

Notwithstanding your hysterical screams of denial, Amnesty
International has reported that your beloved embargo "helps deprive
Cuba of vital access to medicines, new scientific and medical
technology, food, chemical water treatment and electricity." No
hypothetical statement, this is the actual result of these cruel and
inhumane sanctions that you have been promoting for years. I will ask
you again: Do you deny that such sanctions would result in the deaths
and needless suffering of children and other vulnerable groups? And
please explain how any amount of food for cash or any number of
economic woes in Cuba will somehow "cancel out" these crimes as you
seem to be suggesting.

> >> You claimed Cuba can buy medicines and equipment as easily as Norway if
> >> it has cash.
>
> > Anyone will have difficulties buying medicines and equipment from US-
> > controlled companies (snip)
> You said Cuba could buy medicines and
>
> equipment as easy as Norway.

Do you deny that your political masters actually blocked the sale of
syringes to UNICEF because they were going to be used to vaccinate
Cuban children? See:
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/AMR25/007/2009/en/51469f8b-73f8-47a2-a5bd-f839adf50488/amr250072...
(PDF format)

Anyone, including Norway, will have difficult time purchasing
medicines and equipment from sources controlled by the US regime if it
finds out that the end-user is Cuban.

> >>>>> Lie #4: PL claims I said Cuba cannot buy ANY medicines and equipment
> >>>>> from ANY source
> >>>>> You couldn't quote me. (snip)
> >>>> have done so and people can search for you claiming the sanctions were
> >>>> "genocide"
> >>> Thanks for confirming you STILL cannot quote me.
> >> (snip)
>
> >> Anyone can see that you have said for years that Cuba was stopped from
> >> buying medicines and equipment, Dan.
>
> > Then it should be easy to find a quote. (snip)
>
> here in this thread.

[snipping more of the same old Nazi-style rationalizations]

We are STILL waiting for that quote, Mr. Lobbyist. What seems to be
the problem? You just made it all up, didn't you? And quit trying to
change the subject!

> >>>>> Lie #5: PL claims that the Haitian government is paying for Cuban medical
> >>>>> services
> >>>>> You could find no proof of this either.(snip)
> >>>> false.
> >>>> I have posted the link to the "pact" for which Haiti needed funding
> >>>> (which Dan Christensen snipped of course)
> >>>> `I hope the meeting sends a signal to our other partner countries,
> >>>> because Haiti will need financial assistance to put some of these
> >>>> programmes into practice,'' Dessources said."
> >>>> Cuba to send more doctors to Haiti under aid pacthttp://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti-archive/msg...
> >>> [snip]
> >>> No proof here that the Haitian government is paying for Cuban medical
> >>> services.(snip)
> >> It says it needs to finance the projects.
> >> That says enough.
> >> It doesn't exclude the medical services in any way, Dan, neither
> >> explicitly or implicitly.
>
> > You mean it doesn't explicitly INCLUDE medical services.(snip)
>

What the cowardly PL snipped for all too obvious reasons:

You mean it doesn't explicitly INCLUDE medical services. In the
example here (original posting), we see that it doesn't -- just
medicines and equipment. But thanks confirming that you have no proof
that the Haitian government is paying for Cuban medical services. You
just made it all up, didn’t you?

> Xinhua said: the mission for Norwegian Cash.
> Haiti needed cash for the full pact.

[snip]

That doesn't mean any of it is going to pay for medical services.
Again, as in the case of the donation from Norway (original posting),
the money was not going to pay for medical services, but for medicines
and equipment. But thanks for confirming you lied -- you still have NO
PROOF that Haiti is paying for Cuban medical services.

> >>>>>> >>> >>> Saving his BIGGEST LIE for last...
> >>>>>> >>> >>> Lie #7: PL insists that Cuba would only accept cash donations from
> >>>>>> >>> >>> Norway so they could use the money for other purposes!!!
> >>>>>> >> >> so why no goods, dan?
> >>>>>> >> >> Why cash.
> >>>>>> >> >> Post your proof that that was Norway's idea.
> >>>>>> > > You made the claim that Cuba refused donations in kind and insisted on cash. And it seems you can't prove it. As usual. (snip)
> >>>>>> Nope.
> >>>>>> I said they needed cash and cash they got.
> >>>>>> I said that donations would have been a safer bet.
> >>>>> Nice climb-down from: "That is why Cuba now wanted cash: to profit
> >>>>> from it!!!"
> >>>> (snip)
> >>>> Nope.
> >>>> Snippets out of context won't change facts.
> >>> Not taken out of context.(snip)
> >> Cuba wanted cash as it needs cash.
> >> Do you deny that Cuba needs cash?
>
> > So does the USA. (snip)
>
> the Us doesn't need to cut food imports.
> in fact it is a net exporter.
>

Thanks for confirming you lied -- you STILL have NO PROOF that Cuba
would only accept cash donations from Norway so they could use the
money for other purposes! Be a man for once and just admit you lied.
You are simply making things worse for yourself by continuing to
insist on this matter.

> >>>> Norway to support Cuban doctors working in Haiti
> >>>> HAVANA, Jan 24, 2010 (Xinhua via COMTEX) --
> >>>> Norway has committed itself to supporting Cuba's medical relief work
> >>>> in
> >>>> Haiti, where a 7.3-magnitude earthquake has claimed more than 100,000
> >>>> lives, a local daily reported on Sunday.
> >>>> Juventud Rebelde reported that the governments of Cuba and Norway
> >>>> signed
> >>>> an agreement on Friday, under which Norway will donate 5 million
> >>>> crowns
> >>>> (around 885,000 U.S. dollars) to fund the mission of Cuban doctors in
> >>>> Haiti.
> >>> This is entirely consistent with the Norwegian press release
> >> (snip)
>
> >> Nope.
> >> It speaks of funding operations, the "mission".
> >> Not of merely purchasing supplies.
>
> > STILL desperately grasping at straws,
>
> (snip)
>

What the cowardly PL also snipped for obvious reasons:

STILL desperately grasping at straws, eh, Mr. Lobbyist? When will you
learn?

"Norway will donate 5 million crowns (around 885,000 U.S. dollars) to
fund the mission of Cuban doctors in Haiti" is entirely consistent
with:
“Norway wants to support the lifesaving work Cuban doctors are doing
in Haiti. The money will be used to purchase much needed equipment
and
medicines for the Cuban medical personnel."

> Nope.

[snip]

Thanks for confirming you lied -- even you cannot explain how these
statements are in any way inconsistent. You are indeed desperately
grasping at straws! As usual.

Dan
Visit my CUBA: Issues & Answers website at http://tiny....
(Note new address. Please update your bookmarks and links.)

PS: As an antidote to PL's venomous personal attacks on me, and to his
lies and evasions on everything from his lobbying exploits to the
international condemnation of his beloved embargo, see: "PL's same
tired old lies and evasions EXPOSED" at
http://groups.google.ca/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/36c96cf26743...

Dan Christensen

3/1/2010 10:30:00 PM

PL has made absolutely NO progress on his seven -- count 'em, SEVEN --
deadly whoppers here.

Asked about the murder and torture of opponents of the Bush regime in
its vast network of secret prisons around the world, PL has NO
COMMENT. He just snips and runs away.

Amnesty International has reported that PL's beloved embargo "helps
deprive Cuba of vital access to medicines, new scientific and medical
technology, food, chemical water treatment and electricity." Asked
whether he denies that such sanctions would result in the deaths and
needless suffering of children and other vulnerable groups, PL has NO
COMMENT. He just snips and runs away.

PL prefers instead to go on and on about US food for cash and Cuba's
various economic woes, both real and imagined. Asked to explain how
any amount of US food for cash or any number of economic woes in Cuba
would morally or legally "cancel out" the above crimes against the
Cuban people, PL has NO COMMENT. He just snips and runs away.

By his cowardly snip-and-run tactics, and his adamant refusal to
address these issues, it seems PL has all but conceded that his
beloved embargo is indeed a form of genocide. He can provide no
effective counter-argument. He just snips and run away. For good
reason!

That takes care of PL's Lies #1 and 3. As for the rest of his lies
here, it seems he is STILL unable to provide a shred of evidence in
support of his outrageous claims. As usual.

On Feb 28, 12:14 pm, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

[snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or just too
lame to bother with]

> >>>>>>> Lie #1: PL denies his inner Nazi
> >>> What PL snipped for obvious reasons without indicating:
> >>> You have been unable to refute the fact that your beloved embargo is a
> >>> form of genocide under international law. (snip)
>
> > What PL snipped for obvious reasons AGAIN!:
>

What the cowardly PL snipped for all too obvious reasons without
indicating:

You have been unable to refute the fact that your beloved embargo is a
form of genocide under international law. And you continue to refuse
to even comment on -- never mind condemn! -- the murder and torture of
opponents of the Bush regime in its vast network of secret prisons
around the world.

> actually exposed as a lie.

Still in denial, I see. But still NO COMMENT on the murder and torture
of opponents of the Bush regime in its vast network of secret prisons
around the world. Again, it is easy to imagine the reign of terror you
would unleash on the Cuban people if you ever had the chance again.
Whatever it takes, right, Mr. Lobbyist?

> you just snipped the facts that exposed your lies.

You mean your "facts" about US food for cash or Cuba's various
economic woes? Get real! Even if all of these "facts" of yours were
true -- they aren't -- it would not let you off the hook for what
amounts to genocide.

> you also admitted you lied for years and that I was right: when Cuba
> could pay it had lots of other sources.
>

[snipping more of the same old Nazi-style lies and rationalizations]

I have "admitted" no such thing. I have repeatedly asked you to quote
me on this. Admit it -- you just made it all up, didn't you, Mr.
Lobbyist?

> >>>>>>> Lie #2: PL said Castro is directing efforts to get cash in Germany
> >>>>>>> Of course, you couldn't provide any proof. (snip)
> >>>>>> False.
> >>>>>> I have shown the regime acted in the same way in Norway and Germany.
> >>>>>> Juventud Rebelde, Xinhua and la Demajagua confirm it
> >>>>> You have shown no such thing.(snip)
> >>>> Deal with reality, Dan.
> >>>> Juventud Rebelde and La Demajagua have exposed your lies as shown in
> >>>> this thread
> >>> Bullshit. (snip)
>
> > What PL also snipped(snip)
>

What PL also snipped for obvious reasons:

Bullshit. But thanks for confirming you have no proof that Castro is
directing efforts to get cash in Germany. You just made that up,
didn't you? What a loser!

> replied to.

You snipped and ran, as usual.

> I have shown that the regime is trying to get cash from countries (and
> sympathizers).

No, you haven't.

> La demajagua confirmed the case of Germany.

No, he didn't. He only showed that an effort was being made to raise
money for the Cuban aid mission in Haiti. But thanks for confirming
you STILL have no proof that Castro is directing efforts to get cash
in Germany. As usual, you just made the whole thing up.

> >>>>>>> Lie #3: PL denies embargo is genocide because Cuba has found other
> >>>>>>> suppliers
> >>>>>>> You would have us believe that genocidal trade sanctions(snip)
> >>>>> What PL also snipped for all too obvious reasons:
> >>>>> You would have us believe that genocidal trade sanctions are really
> >>>>> not so bad if most of the target population somehow manages to
> >>>>> survive
> >>>>> by finding alternative suppliers of food, medicines, etc.(snip)
> >>> What PL snipped for all too obvious reasons AGAIN!:
> >>> Under international law, the fact that Cubans are finding alternate
> >>> suppliers
> >> (snip)
>
> > What PL snipped for all too obvious reasons AGAIN!:
>
> > Under international law, the fact that Cubans are finding alternate
> > suppliers does not let you and your political masters off the hook
> > for
> > genocide. Article 2c of the UN Genocide Convention states that the
> > crime of genocide includes, among other things, "deliberately
> > inflicting on the group conditions of life CALCULATED to bring about
> > its physical destruction in whole or in part."http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/ge...
>
> (snip)

What the cowardly PL snipped for obvious reasons:

Trade sanctions that -- as Amnesty International reported -- actually
"help deprive Cuba of vital access to medicines, new scientific and
medical technology, food, chemical water treatment and electricity"
certainly fall under this definition. No one -- not even YOU, it
seems! -- can deny that such sanctions would the lead to the deaths
and needless suffering of children and other vulnerable groups.
Whatever it takes, right, Mr. Lobbyist?

The fact that the death count was kept to a minimum is no excuse.
Under Article 2c, it is not even necessary to prove that a single
death resulted from an act of genocide. It is enough to be able
reasonably to infer that an act was merely CALCULATED to bring about a
population's physical destruction in whole or in part -- as your
beloved embargo most certainly was, notwithstanding ANY amount of food
sold for cash. And as we see from Amnesty International recent reports
(above), and international condemnation by the UN General Assembly, no
one is buying into your self-serving lies and rationalizations
(previous posting) that these sales where blocked for any other reason
than pure politics. [...]

Notwithstanding your hysterical screams of denial, Amnesty
International has reported that your beloved embargo "helps deprive
Cuba of vital access to medicines, new scientific and medical
technology, food, chemical water treatment and electricity." No
hypothetical statement, this is the actual result of these cruel and
inhumane sanctions that you have been promoting for years. I will ask
you again: Do you deny that such sanctions would result in the deaths
and needless suffering of children and other vulnerable groups? And
please explain how any amount of food for cash or any number of
economic woes in Cuba will somehow "cancel out" these crimes as you
seem to be suggesting.

> and they aren't as shown above.

Yes, they are. But thanks for confirming yet again that even you
cannot deny that such sanctions would the lead to the deaths and
needless suffering of children and other vulnerable groups. And thanks
for also confirming even you are unable to explain how any amount of
food for cash or any number of economic woes in Cuba would somehow
"cancel out" these crimes as you seem to be suggesting.

> They are actually allowing the sale of food and medicines: calculated to
> ensure humanitarian supplies can make it to Cuba if Cuba can pay.

As we have seen here, even you cannot explain how this would in any
way "cancel out" the fact that, as Amnesty International recently
reported, your beloved embargo "helps deprive Cuba of vital access to
medicines, new scientific and medical technology, food, chemical water
treatment and electricity." Don't just snip and run away. Address
this issue or concede that these cruel and inhumane sanctions are
indeed a form of genocide.

> No genocide.
> Again, you have exposed your own lies over and over again by failing to
> post even ONE quote from a reputable international organization
> referring to the trade sanctions as "genocide".

Again, AI reported that your beloved embargo "helps deprive Cuba of
vital access to medicines, new scientific and medical technology,
food, chemical water treatment and electricity." And, as we saw here
again, even you cannot deny that such sanctions would cause the deaths
of children and other vulnerable groups. Morally and legally then,
these sanctions amount to a form of genocide. Makes you proud, don't
it, Mr. Lobbyist?

> The Castro regime on the other hand is on Genocide Watch's list.
>

All we have from GW about Cuba is an unsourced one-liner in a silly
little table at their website. That is sum total of their work on
Cuba! And even that they couldn't get right. What little credibility
they had was was shattered five years ago when, as you have repeatedly
confirmed here, they were forced to removed outrageous claims of
75,000 deaths in Cuba. No mainstream groups like AI or the UN would
support these claims. Five years later, they STILL do not even support
GW much weakened climbdown position. So, it looks like the only
genocide here is, in fact, your beloved beloved embargo! Whatever it
takes, right, Mr. Lobbyist?

> >>>> You claimed Cuba can buy medicines and equipment as easily as Norway if
> >>>> it has cash.
> >>> Anyone will have difficulties buying medicines and equipment from US-
> >>> controlled companies (snip)
> >> You said Cuba could buy medicines and
>
> >> equipment as easy as Norway.
>
> > Do you deny (snip)
>

What the cowardly PL snipped for all too obvious reasons:

Do you deny that your political masters actually blocked the sale of
syringes to UNICEF because they were going to be used to vaccinate
Cuban children? See:
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/AMR25/007/2009/en/5......
(PDF format)

Anyone, including Norway, will have difficult time purchasing
medicines and equipment from sources controlled by the US regime if it
finds out that the end-user is Cuban.

> desperately trying to avoid the issue I see.
> Can or can't Cuba buy medicines and equipment as easily as Norway?

Very evasive, Mr. Lobbyist. It is much easier for Norway to buy
medicines and equipment for their own use. There is only a problem for
them if the US regime discovers that the end-users are Cuban. But
thanks for confirming that even you cannot deny that your political
masters actually blocked the sale of syringes to UNICEF because they
were going to be used to vaccinate Cuban children. Whatever it takes,
right, Mr. Lobbyist?

>
> >>>>>>> Lie #4: PL claims I said Cuba cannot buy ANY medicines and equipment
> >>>>>>> from ANY source
> >>>>>>> You couldn't quote me. (snip)
> >>>>>> have done so and people can search for you claiming the sanctions were
> >>>>>> "genocide"
> >>>>> Thanks for confirming you STILL cannot quote me.
> >>>> (snip)
> >>>> Anyone can see that you have said for years that Cuba was stopped from
> >>>> buying medicines and equipment, Dan.
> >>> Then it should be easy to find a quote. (snip)
> >> here in this thread.
>
> > [snipping more of the same old Nazi-style rationalizations]
>
> Stop calling other people "nazi", Dan.
> You share their attitude, not we.

[snipping more of the same old Nazi-style lies and rationalizations]

Already debunked here. See Lie #1 above.

> > We are STILL waiting for that quote, Mr. Lobbyist. What seems to be the problem? (snip)
>
> You call the trade sanctions genocide thousands of times, Dan.

Because they ARE genocide. But thanks for confirming you have no proof
that I said Cuba cannot buy ANY medicines and equipment from ANY
source. Thanks for confirming you lied!

>
> >>>>>>> Lie #5: PL claims that the Haitian government is paying for Cuban medical
> >>>>>>> services
> >>>>>>> You could find no proof of this either.(snip)
> >>>>>> false.
> >>>>>> I have posted the link to the "pact" for which Haiti needed funding
> >>>>>> (which Dan Christensen snipped of course)
> >>>>>> `I hope the meeting sends a signal to our other partner countries,
> >>>>>> because Haiti will need financial assistance to put some of these
> >>>>>> programmes into practice,'' Dessources said."
> >>>>>> Cuba to send more doctors to Haiti under aid pacthttp://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti-archive/msg...
> >>>>> [snip]
> >>>>> No proof here that the Haitian government is paying for Cuban medical
> >>>>> services.(snip)
> >>>> It says it needs to finance the projects.
> >>>> That says enough.
> >>>> It doesn't exclude the medical services in any way, Dan, neither
> >>>> explicitly or implicitly.
> >>> You mean it doesn't explicitly INCLUDE medical services.(snip)
>
> > What the cowardly PL snipped for all too obvious reasons:
>
> > You mean it doesn't explicitly INCLUDE medical services.(snip)
>

What the cowardly PL snipped for all too obvious reasons AGAIN!:

You mean it doesn't explicitly INCLUDE medical services. In the
example here (original posting), we see that it doesn't -- just
medicines and equipment.

> It just refers to all of them you mean not specifying any would be in or
> out.

No, it doesn't. You are just making this all up as you go. As usual.
But thanks for confirming that you have NO PROOF that Haiti is paying
for Cuban medical services. You just made that up, didn't you?

> >> Xinhua said: the mission for Norwegian Cash.
> >> Haiti needed cash for the full pact.
>
> > [snip]
>
> > That doesn't mean any of it is going to pay for medical services.(snip)
>
> The text on Haiti doesn't exclude them.
> It refers to financing for the whole deal.
> Post your proof that the medical services were excluded.

Very evasive, Mr. Lobbyist. But thanks for confirming that you also do
not have any proof that this additional funding for Haiti was going
toward funding Cuban medical services -- they are provided free of
charge.

> As far as Norway goes: Xinhua referred to funding the mission.
>

The Norwegian press release gave more detail and in no way
contradicted this: The money was to be used for medicines and
equipment. Just admit you lied, Mr. Lobbyist. Be a man... for once!

> >>>>>>>> >>> >>> Saving his BIGGEST LIE for last...
> >>>>>>>> >>> >>> Lie #7: PL insists that Cuba would only accept cash donations from
> >>>>>>>> >>> >>> Norway so they could use the money for other purposes!!!
> >>>>>>>> >> >> so why no goods, dan?
> >>>>>>>> >> >> Why cash.
> >>>>>>>> >> >> Post your proof that that was Norway's idea.
> >>>>>>>> > > You made the claim that Cuba refused donations in kind and insisted on cash. And it seems you can't prove it. As usual. (snip)
> >>>>>>>> Nope.
> >>>>>>>> I said they needed cash and cash they got.
> >>>>>>>> I said that donations would have been a safer bet.
> >>>>>>> Nice climb-down from: "That is why Cuba now wanted cash: to profit
> >>>>>>> from it!!!"
> >>>>>> (snip)
> >>>>>> Nope.
> >>>>>> Snippets out of context won't change facts.
> >>>>> Not taken out of context.(snip)
> >>>> Cuba wanted cash as it needs cash.
> >>>> Do you deny that Cuba needs cash?
> >>> So does the USA. (snip)
> >> the Us doesn't need to cut food imports.
> >> in fact it is a net exporter.
>
> > Thanks for confirming you lied (snip)
>

What the cowardly PL snipped for all too obvious reasons:

Thanks for confirming you lied -- you STILL have NO PROOF that Cuba
would only accept cash donations from Norway so they could use the
money for other purposes!

> actually I exposed you as a liar.
>

No, you didn't. But thanks for confirming once again that you STILL
have NO PROOF that Cuba would only accept cash donations from Norway
so they could use the money for other purposes! Once again, we see
what a truly desperate liar you are, Mr. Lobbyist. Get a life!

Anyway, it seems you have once again been reduced to mindlessly
repeating your failed lies and rationalizations here, desperately
hoping that no one has noticed. If you can't win the debate, you can
at least have the last word, right, Mr. Lobbyist? What a loser!

If you continue to avoid the issues like this (see original notes in
this posting) and can provide no actual proof of your outrageous
claims -- your lies here -- do not expect a reply from on these
matters.

Dan
Visit my CUBA: Issues & Answers website at http://tiny....
(Note new address. Please update your bookmarks and links.)

PS: As an antidote to PL's venomous personal attacks on me, and to his
lies and evasions on everything from his lobbying exploits to the
international condemnation of his beloved embargo, see: "PL's same
tired old lies and evasions EXPOSED" at
http://groups.google.ca/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/36c96cf26743...

Dan Christensen

3/2/2010 5:17:00 AM

Again, it seems PL has made absolutely NO progress on his seven deadly
whoppers here.

Asked about the murder and torture of opponents of the Bush regime in
its vast network of secret prisons around the world, PL has NO
COMMENT. He just snips and runs away.

Amnesty International has reported that PL's beloved embargo "helps
deprive Cuba of vital access to medicines, new scientific and medical
technology, food, chemical water treatment and electricity." Asked
whether he denies that such sanctions would result in the deaths and
needless suffering of children and other vulnerable groups, PL has NO
COMMENT. He just snips and runs away.

PL prefers instead to go on and on about US food for cash and Cuba's
various economic woes, both real and imagined. Asked to explain how
any amount of US food for cash or any number of economic woes in Cuba
would morally or legally "cancel out" or nullify the above crimes
against the humanity, PL is at a loss. He just snips and runs, and
desperately tries to change the subject.

By his cowardly snip-and-run tactics, and his adamant refusal to
address these issues, it seems PL has all but conceded that his
beloved embargo is indeed a form of genocide. He can provide no
effective counter-argument. He just snips and run away. For good
reason, too!

That takes care of PL's Lies #1 and 3. As for the rest of his lies
here, it seems he is STILL unable to provide a shred of evidence in
support of his outrageous claims. As usual.

On Mar 1, 6:42 pm, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

[snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or just too
lame to bother with]

> >>>>>>>>> Lie #1: PL denies his inner Nazi
> >>>>> What PL snipped for obvious reasons without indicating:
> >>>>> You have been unable to refute the fact that your beloved embargo is a
> >>>>> form of genocide under international law. (snip)
> >>> What PL snipped for obvious reasons AGAIN!:
>
> > What the cowardly PL snipped for all too obvious reasons without
> > indicating:
>
> actually I did indicate it
>

Liar.

>
>
> > You have been unable to refute the fact(snip)
>

What the cowardly PL snipped for all too obvious reasons:

You have been unable to refute the fact that your beloved embargo is a
form of genocide under international law. And you continue to refuse
to even comment on -- never mind condemn! -- the murder and torture of
opponents of the Bush regime in its vast network of secret prisons
around the world.

> I have shown the trade sanctions are no genocide.
>
[snipping PL same old Nazi-style lies and rationalizations]

On the contrary, by your cowardly snipping and running -- by default
-- you have all but conceded that your beloved embargo is indeed a
form of genocide. (See below.) But thanks for confirming you continue
to refuse to even comment on the murder and torture of opponents of
the Bush regime in its vast network of secret prisons around the
world. Again, it is easy to imagine the reign of terror you would
unleash on the Cuban people if you ever had the chance again.

> > I have "admitted" no such thing. (snip)
>
> Yes you have.
> you said Cuba found lots of alternative suppliers (when able to pay of
> course) and can buy goods as easily as Norway.

And Norway will have just as much trouble as Cuba buying medical
supplies if the US regime discovers that the end-users are Cuban. As
Amnesty International recently reported, even UNICEF was denied a
shipment syringes when the regime found out that they were to be used
to vaccinate Cuban children. It must piss you off that alternate
suppliers were eventually found, but that in no way does that let you
off the hook for what amounts to genocide.

> >>>>>>>>> Lie #2: PL said Castro is directing efforts to get cash in Germany
> >>>>>>>>> Of course, you couldn't provide any proof. (snip)
> >>>>>>>> False.
> >>>>>>>> I have shown the regime acted in the same way in Norway and Germany.
> >>>>>>>> Juventud Rebelde, Xinhua and la Demajagua confirm it
> >>>>>>> You have shown no such thing.(snip)
> >>>>>> Deal with reality, Dan.
> >>>>>> Juventud Rebelde and La Demajagua have exposed your lies as shown in
> >>>>>> this thread
> >>>>> Bullshit. (snip)
> >>> What PL also snipped(snip)
>
> (snip)
> same crap, same reply
>
> replied to.
> I have shown that the regime is trying to get cash from countries (and
> sympathizers).

No, you haven't. You have shown no organizational link whatsoever
between the Cuban government and those raising money for the aid
mission in Haiti -- no proof that any orders or directions were sent
or received, nothing. You were just making it all up. As usual.

>
> >>>>>>>>> Lie #3: PL denies embargo is genocide because Cuba has found other
> >>>>>>>>> suppliers
> >>>>>>>>> You would have us believe that genocidal trade sanctions(snip)
> >>>>>>> What PL also snipped for all too obvious reasons:
> >>>>>>> You would have us believe that genocidal trade sanctions are really
> >>>>>>> not so bad if most of the target population somehow manages to
> >>>>>>> survive
> >>>>>>> by finding alternative suppliers of food, medicines, etc.(snip)
> >>>>> What PL snipped for all too obvious reasons AGAIN!:
> >>>>> Under international law, the fact that Cubans are finding alternate
> >>>>> suppliers
> >>>> (snip)
> >>> What PL snipped for all too obvious reasons AGAIN!:
> >>> Under international law, the fact that Cubans are finding alternate
> >>> suppliers does not let you and your political masters off the hook
> >>> for
> >>> genocide. Article 2c of the UN Genocide Convention states that the
> >>> crime of genocide includes, among other things, "deliberately
> >>> inflicting on the group conditions of life CALCULATED to bring about
> >>> its physical destruction in whole or in part."http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/ge...
> >> (snip)
>
> > What the cowardly PL snipped for obvious reasons:
>
> > Trade sanctions that (snip)
>

What the cowardly PL snipped for obvious reasons:

Trade sanctions that -- as Amnesty International reported -- actually
"help deprive Cuba of vital access to medicines, new scientific and
medical technology, food, chemical water treatment and electricity"
certainly fall under this definition. No one -- not even YOU, it
seems! -- can deny that such sanctions would the lead to the deaths
and needless suffering of children and other vulnerable groups.
Whatever it takes, right, Mr. Lobbyist?

The fact that the death count was kept to a minimum is no excuse.
Under Article 2c, it is not even necessary to prove that a single
death resulted from an act of genocide. It is enough to be able
reasonably to infer that an act was merely CALCULATED to bring about
a
population's physical destruction in whole or in part -- as your
beloved embargo most certainly was, notwithstanding ANY amount of
food
sold for cash. And as we see from Amnesty International recent
reports
(above), and international condemnation by the UN General Assembly,
no
one is buying into your self-serving lies and rationalizations
(previous posting) that these sales where blocked for any other
reason
than pure politics. [...]

Notwithstanding your hysterical screams of denial, Amnesty
International has reported that your beloved embargo "helps deprive
Cuba of vital access to medicines, new scientific and medical
technology, food, chemical water treatment and electricity." No
hypothetical statement, this is the actual result of these cruel and
inhumane sanctions that you have been promoting for years. I will ask
you again: Do you deny that such sanctions would result in the deaths
and needless suffering of children and other vulnerable groups? And
please explain how any amount of food for cash or any number of
economic woes in Cuba will somehow "cancel out" these crimes as you
seem to be suggesting.

> replied to on various occasions and your lies were exposed.
> see above.
>

You mean you snipped and ran away in terror. But thanks for confirming
yet again that even you cannot deny that such sanctions would the
lead to the deaths and needless suffering of children and other
vulnerable groups. And thanks for also confirming even you are unable
to explain how any amount of food for cash or any number of economic
woes in Cuba would somehow "cancel out" or nullify these crimes as you
seem to be suggesting.

> >> They are actually allowing the sale of food and medicines: calculated to
> >> ensure humanitarian supplies can make it to Cuba if Cuba can pay.
>
> > As we have seen here, even you cannot explain how this would in any
> > way "cancel out" the fact that,(snip)
>
> it shows there is no intent to kill.

[snip]

How? Please explain how murdering one person and sparing another would
somehow "cancel out" or nullify your crime. You can't, of course.

Again, according to Amnesty International, your beloved embargo "helps
deprive Cuba of vital access to medicines, new scientific and medical
technology, food, chemical water treatment and electricity" This
shows the US regime's intent to kill. This is a direct result of US
government policy that shows no signs of changing even in light of
these shocking revelations by AI and others. While I have asked you
many times, it seems even you cannot deny that such sanctions would
cause the deaths and needless suffering of children and other
vulnerable groups! No one can deny it -- not even YOU! No amount of US
food for cash or any other cash sales can possibly nullify this crime
against humanity. You are simply grasping at straws here.

> >> The Castro regime on the other hand is on Genocide Watch's list.
>
> > All we have from GW about Cuba(snip)
>

What PL snipped for all too obvious reasons:

All we have from GW about Cuba is an unsourced one-liner in a silly
little table at their website. That is sum total of their work on
Cuba! And even that they couldn't get right. What little credibility
they had was was shattered five years ago when, as you have repeatedly
confirmed here, they were forced to remove outrageous claims of 75,000
deaths in Cuba. No mainstream groups like AI or the UN would support
these claims. Five years later, they STILL do not even support GW much
weakened climbdown position. So, it looks like the only genocide here
is, in fact, your beloved beloved embargo! Whatever it takes, right,
Mr. Lobbyist?

> is a good analysis on what is going on.
>

And unattributed one-liner in some stupid little table is NOT an
analysis of ANY kind, idiot! But thanks for confirming that GW was
forced to remove outrageous claims of 75,000 deaths in Cuba from its
table. And that no mainstream groups like AI or the UN would support
these outrageous claims. And that they STILL don't.

> >>>>>> You claimed Cuba can buy medicines and equipment as easily as Norway if
> >>>>>> it has cash.
> >>>>> Anyone will have difficulties buying medicines and equipment from US-
> >>>>> controlled companies (snip)
> >>>> You said Cuba could buy medicines and
> >>>> equipment as easy as Norway.
> >>> Do you deny (snip)
>
> > What the cowardly PL snipped for all too obvious reasons:
>
> Yep. Just crappy insults.
>
> > Do you deny that your political masters (snip)
>

What the cowardly PL snipped for all too obvious reasons:

Do you deny that your political masters actually blocked the sale of
syringes to UNICEF because they were going to be used to vaccinate
Cuban children? See:
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/AMR25/007/2009/en/5......
(PDF format)

> I have no political masters
>

Yeah, right! See "PL's same tired old lies and evasions EXPOSED" at
http://groups.google.ca/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/36c96cf26743...

But thanks for confirming that even you cannot deny that your
political masters actually blocked the sale of syringes to UNICEF
because they were going to be used to vaccinate Cuban children

> >> desperately trying to avoid the issue I see.
> >> Can or can't Cuba buy medicines and equipment as easily as Norway?
>
> > Very evasive, Mr. Lobbyist. It is much easier for Norway to buy medicines and equipment for their own use. There is only a problem for them if the US regime discovers that the end-users are Cuban. (snip)
>
> again Dan Christensen avoids the issue.

The issue is the US regime blocking the sale of life-saving medical
supplies to UNICEF for purely political reasons. Even you cannot the
facts of this case, Mr. Lobbyist!

> >>>>>>>>> Lie #4: PL claims I said Cuba cannot buy ANY medicines and equipment
> >>>>>>>>> from ANY source
> >>>>>>>>> You couldn't quote me. (snip)
> >>>>>>>> have done so and people can search for you claiming the sanctions were
> >>>>>>>> "genocide"
> >>>>>>> Thanks for confirming you STILL cannot quote me.
> >>>>>> (snip)
> >>>>>> Anyone can see that you have said for years that Cuba was stopped from
> >>>>>> buying medicines and equipment, Dan.
> >>>>> Then it should be easy to find a quote. (snip)
> >>>> here in this thread.
> >>> [snipping more of the same old Nazi-style rationalizations]
> >> Stop calling other people "nazi", Dan.
> >> You share their attitude, not we.
>
> > [snipping more of the same old Nazi-style lies and rationalizations]
>
> > Already debunked here. See Lie #1 above.
>
> >>> We are STILL waiting for that quote, Mr. Lobbyist. What seems to be the problem? (snip)
> >> You call the trade sanctions genocide thousands of times, Dan.
>
> > Because they ARE genocide. (snip)
>
> thanks for confirming I was right.

Please explain how this proves that I said Cuba cannot buy ANY
medicines and equipment from ANY source. We know you can't. You are
making a complete idiot of yourself!

Produce the quote or concede that you have been caught in yet another
lie.

> >>>>>>>>> Lie #5: PL claims that the Haitian government is paying for Cuban medical
> >>>>>>>>> services
> >>>>>>>>> You could find no proof of this either.(snip)
> >>>>>>>> false.
> >>>>>>>> I have posted the link to the "pact" for which Haiti needed funding
> >>>>>>>> (which Dan Christensen snipped of course)
> >>>>>>>> `I hope the meeting sends a signal to our other partner countries,
> >>>>>>>> because Haiti will need financial assistance to put some of these
> >>>>>>>> programmes into practice,'' Dessources said."
> >>>>>>>> Cuba to send more doctors to Haiti under aid pacthttp://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti-archive/msg...
> >>>>>>> [snip]
> >>>>>>> No proof here that the Haitian government is paying for Cuban medical
> >>>>>>> services.(snip)
> >>>>>> It says it needs to finance the projects.
> >>>>>> That says enough.
> >>>>>> It doesn't exclude the medical services in any way, Dan, neither
> >>>>>> explicitly or implicitly.
> >>>>> You mean it doesn't explicitly INCLUDE medical services.(snip)
> >>> What the cowardly PL snipped for all too obvious reasons:
> >>> You mean it doesn't explicitly INCLUDE medical services.(snip)
>
> > What the cowardly PL snipped for all too obvious reasons AGAIN!:
>
> > You mean it doesn't explicitly INCLUDE medical services. (snip)
>
> Replied to.
>
> The text on Haiti doesn't exclude them.

It doesn't specifically include them either. You are simply grasping
at straws, Mr. Lobbyist!

> It refers to financing for the whole deal.

No, it doesn't.

> Post your proof that the medical services were excluded.
>
[snip]

Very evasive, Mr. Lobbyist. But thanks for confirming you actually
have no proof that Haiti is paying for Cuban medical services as you
claimed. You just made it all up, didn't you?

> >> As far as Norway goes: Xinhua referred to funding the mission.
>
> > The Norwegian press release gave more detail (snip)
>
> They gave detail on Norwegian intent.

Are you suggesting the money was not spent as intended? Please post
your proof. We know you can't.

> Xinhua and Juventud Rebelde gave a clear insight in Cuban intent.
>

Their reports were entirely consistent with the official Norwegian
press release. In fact, the original posting here was from the Cuban
media and quotes this press release word for word.

> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> Saving his BIGGEST LIE for last...
> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> Lie #7: PL insists that Cuba would only accept cash donations from
> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> Norway so they could use the money for other purposes!!!
> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> so why no goods, dan?
> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> Why cash.
> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> Post your proof that that was Norway's idea.
> >>>>>>>>>> > > You made the claim that Cuba refused donations in kind and insisted on cash. And it seems you can't prove it. As usual. (snip)
> >>>>>>>>>> Nope.
> >>>>>>>>>> I said they needed cash and cash they got.
> >>>>>>>>>> I said that donations would have been a safer bet.
> >>>>>>>>> Nice climb-down from: "That is why Cuba now wanted cash: to profit
> >>>>>>>>> from it!!!"
> >>>>>>>> (snip)
> >>>>>>>> Nope.
> >>>>>>>> Snippets out of context won't change facts.
> >>>>>>> Not taken out of context.(snip)
> >>>>>> Cuba wanted cash as it needs cash.
> >>>>>> Do you deny that Cuba needs cash?
> >>>>> So does the USA. (snip)
> >>>> the Us doesn't need to cut food imports.
> >>>> in fact it is a net exporter.
> >>> Thanks for confirming you lied (snip)
>
> > What the cowardly PL snipped for all too obvious reasons:
>
> > Thanks for confirming you lied --
>
> (snip)
>
> actually I exposed you as a liar.
>

Only in your genocidal wet dreams, Mr. Lobbyist.

> Quoting communist sources (Xinhua, Juventud Rebelde) that show how Cuba
> sees the deal: funding for the mission under a contract with the
> Ministry of Trade.
> All you can do is repeat what the Norwegians intended and yes, there is
> a discrepancy between the two reports.

There is no "discrepancy." Readers can see that you are simply making
this up. And as we have seen here, you have absolutely no evidence
that, as you claimed, Cuba would only accept cash donations from
Norway so they could use the money for other purposes. You just made
up the whole thing. Once again, we see what a TRULY desperate liar you
are, Mr. Lobbyist.

Dan
Visit my CUBA: Issues & Answers website at http://tiny....
(Note new address. Please update your bookmarks and links.)

PS: As an antidote to PL's venomous personal attacks on me, and to his
lies and evasions on everything from his lobbying exploits to the
international condemnation of his beloved embargo, see: "PL's same
tired old lies and evasions EXPOSED" at
http://groups.google.ca/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/36c96cf26743...

PL

3/2/2010 8:47:00 PM

Cuba offers payback plan for frozen bank accounts
Tue Mar 2, 2010 12:13pm EST
By Marc Frank

HAVANA, March 2 (Reuters) - Cuba is offering foreign businesses 2
percent annual interest over five years as part of a plan to repay
hundreds of millions of dollars in bank accounts frozen by the
cash-strapped government, diplomatic and business sources said this week.

The government is hoping the interest payments will encourage companies
to keep doing business with import-dependent Cuba while the country
gradually unblocks the frozen accounts. The aim is to do this without
depleting communist-led Cuba's financial reserves.

The offer from the state-run banks consists of monthly payments over
five years at 2 percent interest, with the proviso that payments can be
missed without penalty when money is not available.

"Some people are taking the deal. At least the funds go from a
nonperforming asset at no interest to a performing certificate of
deposit," one western commercial officer said.

"The alternative seems to be nothing. It's an offer you can't refuse,"
he told Reuters.

Cuban banks first informed depositors in November 2008 that they had no
foreign exchange to back up the convertible peso, or CUC, in which many
were doing business.

At the time many traders sold their wares in exchange for CUCs, which
banks honored at an exchange rate of $1.08 per unit, handing over cash
or transferring funds out of the country.

But the banks told them that devastation from three 2008 hurricanes,
wild price swings for imports and the country's main export, nickel, and
the international financial crisis so depleted Cuba of cash that
"temporary" holds had to be placed on their accounts.

FROZEN ACCOUNTS

At one point, in February 2009, hundreds of suppliers, joint ventures
and other companies had an estimated $1 billion frozen in Cuba's banks.

In August 2009, the government released part of the blocked money so
companies would continue selling to the country.

Suppliers since then have sought payments either offshore or with
letters of credit stamped "CL," instructing banks to clear the funds.

Upon receiving Cuba's payment plan offer, some companies have asked for
some of the blocked funds up front, and others for a higher interest
rate, sources said.

But attempts to bargain over the offer are met with a shrug, a "we will
get back to you" and an explanation that it is not up to the banks, said
the sources, all of whom wished to remain anonymous for fear of
retaliation by the government.

"The message is that the suppliers have had a good business with high
margins over the years, and might have them again if they stick it out,"
a European commercial attache said.

The government has provided no information about the number and amounts
of the frozen accounts, but President Raul Castro said in a December
speech, "The amount of blocked funds has been reduced by more than a third."

"We ratify our firm willingness to honor to the last penny our debts, in
relation to the possibilities of the economy," he told the Cuban
National Assembly.

The offer does not extend to joint venture partners and foreign
companies administering hotels and banks. They also have had money
difficulties with the Cuban government, but are said to be working out
their own arrangements to recover funds.

Cuban officials told the National Assembly in December the country's
economic crisis had stabilized, but government spending would be limited
in 2010. (Editing by Jeff Franks and Andrew Hay)

Cuba offers payback plan for frozen bank accounts | Reuters (2 March 2010)
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN021592...

Dan Christensen

3/4/2010 5:09:00 AM

PL has painted himself into yet ANOTHER corner. What does he do? Ah...
a bit of the old snip and run!!! It's an old trick, but it just might
work, right, Mr. Lobbyist? Wrong. Once again, you are going down in
flames here.

On Mar 3, 3:05 pm, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
> Dan Christensen wrote:
> > PL is in full retreat.
>
> (snip)
>
> Nope.
> you are in full retreat not addressing any issues and reposting the same
> lies that already have been exposed.

Only in your genocidal wet dreams, Mr. Lobbyist.

Here is the link to the posting that has the cowardly PL shitting his
pants and running away in terror:

http://groups.google.ca/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/1aeeee30e4da...

Pay particular attention to his Lie #3. (No wonder he has resorted to
such desperate tactics here!)

> thanks for showing your despair
> His Seven Deadly Whoppers
>
> > again:
>

What the cowardly PL snipped for all too obvious reasons without
indicating:

PL's Seven Deadly Whoppers again:

Lie #1: PL denies his inner Nazi

PL has been unable to refute the fact that his beloved embargo is a
form of genocide under international law. And he continues to refuse
to even comment on -- never mind condemn! -- the murder and torture
of
opponents of the Bush regime in its vast network of secret prisons
around the world. It is easy to imagine the reign of terror you
unleash on the Cuban people if he ever had the chance again.

Lie #2: PL said Castro is directing efforts to get cash in Germany

Of course, PL couldn't provide any proof. It seems he was just making
it all up.

Lie #3: PL denies embargo is genocide because Cuba has found other
suppliers

PL would have you believe that genocidal nature of his beloved embargo
is somehow nullified by a US food-for-cash program or by his litany of
Cuba's economic woes, both real and imagined -- PL's Balance Sheet of
Death. [Please address this issue, Mr. Lobbyist!] That's like saying a
murderer should go free because he spared another person's life! The
fact is, as Amnesty International recently reported (my emphasis):

"Amnesty International urges the US government to lift the nearly
five-
decade long economic and trade embargo against Cuba as it is
detrimental to the fulfillment of the economic and social rights of
the Cuban people. It OBSTRUCTS AND CONSTRAINS efforts by the Cuban
government to purchase essential medicines, medical equipment and
supplies, food and agricultural products, construction materials and
access to new technologies.
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/AMR25/002/2009/en/e......

"The US embargo against Cuba is IMMORAL and should be lifted. It’s
preventing millions of Cubans from benefiting from vital medicines
and
medical equipment essential for their health."

"Amnesty International calls on the US Congress to take, WITHOUT
FURTHER DELAY, the necessary steps towards lifting the economic,
financial and trade embargo against Cuba...

"The UN General Assembly has repeatedly CONDEMNED the US embargo as
contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and international law.
On 29 October 2008 the UN General Assembly passed a resolution
reiterating for the 17th time its call on the USA to end its embargo
against Cuba. That resolution was adopted with 185 votes in favour,
three against and two abstentions. The Inter-American Commission on
Human Rights has also reiterated its position regarding “the impact
of
such sanctions on the human rights of the Cuban people and,
therefore,
INSISTS THAT THE EMBARGO BE LIFTED.”

"[E]xports of food and agricultural products to Cuba remain regulated
by the Department of Commerce and require a licence for export or re-
export. The export of medicines and medical supplies continues to be
SEVERELY LIMITED....

“The RESTRICTIONS IMPOSED BY THE EMBARGO help to deprive Cuba of
vital
access to medicines, new scientific and medical technology, food,
chemical water treatment and electricity.”
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/AMR25/007/2009/en/5......
(PDF format)

Article 2c of the UN Genocide Convention states that the crime of
genocide includes, among other things, "deliberately inflicting on
the
group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical
destruction in whole or in part."
http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/ge...

Again, as Amnesty International has reported, “The restrictions
imposed by the embargo help to deprive Cuba of vital access to
medicines, new scientific and medical technology, food, chemical
water
treatment and electricity.” These cruel sanctions can, therefore, be
seen as a form of genocide under international law!

Whatever it takes, right, Mr. Lobbyist?

Lie #4: PL claims I said Cuba cannot buy ANY medicines and equipment
from ANY source?

PL couldn't quote me, of course. He was just making it all up

Lie #5: PL claims that the Haitian government is paying Cuban medical
services

PL presents no proof of this. We are simply to take his word for it.

Lie #6: PL says that it is not the US embargo, but only a lack of
cash
that is blocking sales of essential imports

Sadly for PL, groups like Amnesty International and the UN simply
aren't buying into his Nazi-style lies and rationalizations. As we
see
above, AI recently accused his political masters of blocking the
sales
essential imports for purely political reasons. They condemned these
cruel and inhumane sanctions as "immoral" and demanded that they be
lifted "without further delay."

Lie #7: PL insists that Cuba would only accept cash donations from
Norway for their aid mission in Haiti (original posting here).

PL presents no proof, of course. But when has a lack of evidence ever
stopped our intrepid lobbyist here? What a loser!

> exposed as lies in this reply to Dan's identical post.

Not identical, Mr. Lobbyist. See, in particular, your Lie #3 above.
(Did you really think you would get away that easily?) Now, address
the issue there -- this whole notion of your "Balance Sheet of
Death" (above). And no more cowardly snip-and-run! Be a man for once,
and stand up for what you REALLY believe.

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/a48ee97...
>
> For those that are interested, here is the text:
>
[snip]

For those who are interested, please address the issues here, Mr.
Lobbyist. Enough of your cowardly snip-and-run tactics! By your
persistent evasiveness and your complete lack of evidence to support
ANY of your outrageous claims here, it seems you have indeed all but
conceded that your beloved embargo is indeed a form of genocide, and
that you admit you lied about everything. When will you learn, Mr.
Lobbyist?

Dan
Visit my CUBA: Issues & Answers website at http://tiny....
(Note new address. Please update your bookmarks and links.)

PS: As an antidote to PL's venomous personal attacks on me, and to his
lies and evasions on everything from his lobbying exploits to the
international condemnation of his beloved embargo, see: "PL's same
tired old lies and evasions EXPOSED" at
http://groups.google.ca/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/36c96cf26743...

Dan Christensen

3/4/2010 5:11:00 AM

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