On Mar 30, 10:54 am, SteN <bg123456...@abv.bg> wrote:
> On 30.3.2011 ?. 19:42 ?., ADR wrote:
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> > On Mar 30, 8:43 am, SteN<bg123456...@abv.bg> wrote:
> >> On 29.3.2011 ?. 23:40 ?., ADR wrote:
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> >>> On Mar 29, 7:38 am, pavel<pavelmakedon...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 29 ????, 11:42, "Panayiotis"<panayioti...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> >>> Pavel,
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> >>> I am so glad that you have decided to discard the mask. It would be
> >>> best to see people for who they really are.
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> >> Surprised to see him not supporting the Greek case?
> >> How could he?
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> > He has been affected by the waves of stupidity enamating from the
> > Skopje government buildings.
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> I do not think so.
> His arguments are quite understandable and do not fit with the current
> Skopje reasoning:
Oh, yes, they do
> FIRST delusion: "Macedonia is 100% Greek, and located wholely within
> the Greek borders." By the words of the former Greek foreign minister
> Dora Bakoyani: 51% of Macedonia is within Greece, 40% - within FYROM
> (That is the Republic of Macedonia), and 9% - in Bulgaria. We call
> those parts Aegean Macedonia (Greek one), Vardar Macedonia, and Pirin
> Macedonia (Bulgarian one). I would accept roughly the above
> percentage.
This would be fine if this was what Bakoyianni actually said. But she
did not. She actually tried to turn the tables on FYROM by utilizing
some of the favority "Macedonist" statements. Her actual speech is
available and I would try to re-post it here. And the percentages
here were quoted inaccurately as well. So, this is a highly
"doctored" quote, straight out of the Skopje propaganda machine.
> This is a logical sequence from the words of a GREEK Foreign Minister,
> not a Skopje one.
Discussed above
> SECOND delusion: "The real and only name of FYROM is Vardar. Written
> evidence showed an internationally recognised Vardar on the world maps
> before 1945." As a matter of fact, from 1913 to 1944, that has been
> called "Vardarska Banovina" - that is the district of Vardar, named
> after the name of the river Vardar (Axios). But the population there
> called it Vardar Macedonia, and considered themselves as Bulgarians.
> There was none Vardaski people, or a semi-independent state of
> Vardaska within the Kingdom of Serbs, Chroats and Slovenes. Those
> people have been not even mentioned by understandable reasons.
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> Actually, Greece has accepted the notion that the word "Macedonia" can
> be in the name of the Ex Yugoslav republic. If I understand correctly
> the official (not that of die-hard possters) Greek reasoning, Greece is
> trying to avoid overlapping names of the new sate and the Greek republic.
Correct, I do not have a problem - nor do Greek authorities - with a
composite name. Thus, this item was again one straight from the
Skopje propaganda machine that Pavel decided to quote verbatim
> THIRD delusion: "Yugoslav leader at the time -- Tito, went on a
> schizophrenic rampage to rewrite the history books of Macedonia, which
> is 100% Greek, and located wholely within the Greek borders, with Tito
> christening Vardar as Macedonia and the Vardaski people as
> Macedonian." That is not an invention of Josip Broz Tito, but of
> another Josip - Joseph Visarionovich Stalin. He invented the
> Macedonian nation in order to fulfill his plans for the Balkans, in
> the same manner as he invented Moldovans (from Rumanians), and
> Karelians (from Finns).
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> This is correct.
No, this is not correct and you should know better. Well before
Stalin got involved (and he did get involved), Michailov and the
Yugoslav Communist Party had taken the road of "Macedonism". In fact,
the Yugoslav Communist Party was eager to diminish the "weight" of
Serbia in order to "rebalance" Yugoslavia. Thus, it decided to adopt
the "Macedonist" agenda. Neither Stalin, not the USSR had any idea of
what was happening in the Balkans. The whole idea of "Macedonia" was
planted and became an element of discussion and policy because of the
agendas of the Yugoslav and Bulgarian Communist Parties. Of course,
after 1944, it was Tito who put the agenda into action (despite the
protests of Dimitrov, who felt cheated). So, the inception is with
the Yugoslav Communist Party and the execution also is with the
Yugoslav Communist Party. Let's not forget that the YCP continued and
intensified the "Macedonist" clap trap well after the break with
Moscow. So, blaming Stalin for problems generated at home is not
really very cool...or accurate.
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> FOURTH delusion: "To grab historic Greek lands from Greece for
> Yugoslavia and now FYROM." Republic of Macedonia has signed in New
> York in 1995 the Interim Agreement with Greece, in which it refused
> now and in the future from all claims of Greek territory. Republic of
> Macedonia has not any irredentist claims to Greece or any other
> neighbouring country. See:
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> It is only here where Pavel and I do not agree
In fact, there is abudant evidence that these irredentist claims
continue unabated, in schools, by the government, in monuments, in the
naming of roads and airports and virtually everywhere in public life
in FYROM. That level of blindness by Pavel is astonishing. FYROM is
all about irredentist claims, the whole existence of this sorry
country is irredentist and it should squashed like infectious mosquito
that it is.
Enough...