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[ANN] Nitro + Og 0.10.0

George Moschovitis

2/15/2005 10:33:00 AM

Hello everyone,

new versions of Nitro and Og were just released.

Homepage: http://www.nave...
Download: http://www.rubyforge.com/proj...

Another strong release featuring a completely recoded Og implementation
and redesigned Og adapter (formely backend) system. An SQLite3 adapter
is also provided. Moreover, the Nitro installation process is improved,
and many small changes make the framework more elegant and easier to
use: the updated examples reflect this!

Most notable additions:

* Improved Og implementation (cleaner code) and new Og adapter
subsystem.

* New SQLite3 Og adapter, improvements in MySQL and PostgreSQL adapters
(WARNING: needs version 1.1.0 of Sqlite3-Ruby).

* Added install.rb for easier installation of the tar.gz distribution.

* Better GemSpec for easier installation by RubyGems.

* Action/template/xsl auto-reloading system in debug mode, new
implementation, works again.

* New Nitro configuration system, with rational default parameters.

* --console option attaches an irb session to a running instace of an
application (works again).

* Og supports optional typechecking by using property metadata.

* request alias for context to be compatible with older versions of
nitro and Webrick/jsp and other frameworks.

* Improved the examples, cleaner code, work from any directory.

* Removed more obsolete code and improved directory structure.

* and many more smaller fixes.

WARNING: If you used an earlier version of Og you may need to drop your
database and let Og recreated it automatically.

Nitro is an efficient, yet simple engine for developing professional
Web Applications using the Ruby language. Nitro aims to provide a
robust infrastructure for scalable web applications that can be
distributed over a server cluster. However, Nitro can also power simple
web applications for deployment on intranets or even personal
computers. Nitro integrates the powerful Og Object-Relational mapping
library.

Nitro is a multiparadigm application framework and will integrate ideas
from Rails, Wee, PHP, JSP and .NET

Nitro integrates the Og (ObjectGraph) object-relational mapping
library. Og provides transparent serialization of object graphs to a
RDBMS backend. Unlike other similar libraries Og maps standard Ruby
objects to SQL tables and not vice versa. Og provides a meta language
to describe the relations between objects, a flexible and intuitive api
for querieng the database, raw access to the SQL language if needed
(for example to fine tune the automatically generated SQL tables, or
for custom queries), suports deserialization to Ruby objects or tuples,
automatically generates join tables for many_to_many relations
and provides a collection of usefull Mixins to synthesize common
Entities.

Og is a combination of the best features of Active Record and the
former O-R mapping library included in Nitro (NDB). Adapters for
PostgreSQL, MySQL and SQLite are included.

I hope this software will be useful for you, and I would love to
receive your suggestions, ideas and bug reports.

have fun,
George Moschovitis
13 Answers

Michael Neumann

2/15/2005 11:27:00 AM

0

George Moschovitis wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> new versions of Nitro and Og were just released.
>
> Homepage: http://www.nave...
> Download: http://www.rubyforge.com/proj...
>
> Another strong release featuring a completely recoded Og implementation
> and redesigned Og adapter (formely backend) system. An SQLite3 adapter
> is also provided. Moreover, the Nitro installation process is improved,
> and many small changes make the framework more elegant and easier to
> use: the updated examples reflect this!
>
> Most notable additions:
>
> * Improved Og implementation (cleaner code) and new Og adapter
> subsystem.
>
> * New SQLite3 Og adapter, improvements in MySQL and PostgreSQL adapters
> (WARNING: needs version 1.1.0 of Sqlite3-Ruby).

Wow. That's very good news. That makes database examples much easier, as
everyone will be able to try them without installing and configuring
Mysql or Postgresql. Thanks!

How to install the SQLite3 library? Could you give the gem name?

Hm, just an idea: Make a "og-sqlite3" meta gem, which serves just for
installing the SQLite3 dependencies.

> * Added install.rb for easier installation of the tar.gz distribution.
>
> * Better GemSpec for easier installation by RubyGems.
>
> * Action/template/xsl auto-reloading system in debug mode, new
> implementation, works again.
>
> * New Nitro configuration system, with rational default parameters.
>
> * --console option attaches an irb session to a running instace of an
> application (works again).

Could you explain how this works and how this can be useful (I'm sure it
*is* useful, but I don't know exactly what it is ;-).

> * Og supports optional typechecking by using property metadata.

Can you give a little example?

Regards,

Michael

George Moschovitis

2/15/2005 11:39:00 AM

0

Hello Michael,

> Wow. That's very good news. That makes database examples much easier, as
> everyone will be able to try them without installing and configuring
> ...
> installing the SQLite3 dependencies.

Yeap, sqlite3 is cool indeed, and Jamis's library is even better.

Please note that you need the (as-of-yet) unreleased version 1.1.0 of
Sqlite3-Ruby. Jamis Buck was kind enough to make some small changes to
the library to better support Og but havent released the new version yet.

I also run some tests with prepared statements in Og/Sqlite but is not
ready yet.

>> * --console option attaches an irb session to a running instace of an
>> application (works again).
>
> Could you explain how this works and how this can be useful (I'm sure it
> *is* useful, but I don't know exactly what it is ;-).

well lets say you are running your site with this command:

$ ruby path/to/mysite/run.rb --lhttpd

(using the lighttpd/fastcgi adapter)

then you want to debug the site or interrogate some internal structures.
You just issue:

$ ruby path/to/mysite/run.rb --console

and you end up in a irb console with the correct environment of the
running site. This will be more usefull in the next releas when I
re-enable the distributed sessions (drb/memcache).

This works more or less like the Rails version.

>> * Og supports optional typechecking by using property metadata.
>
> Can you give a little example?

sure, first of all, enable typechecking:

Property.type_checking = true

then define your class:

class Article
prop_accessor :name, String
end

the try to violate tha prop_accessor type:

a = Article.new
a.name = 123 # => You get an exception!

useful to catch some bugs.

btw, this is NOT an restricted to Og application, this is not
an Og feature.



regards,
George

Jamis Buck

2/15/2005 2:44:00 PM

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On 20:39 Tue 15 Feb , George Moschovitis wrote:
> Hello Michael,
>
> >Wow. That's very good news. That makes database examples much easier, as
> >everyone will be able to try them without installing and configuring
> > ...
> >installing the SQLite3 dependencies.
>
> Yeap, sqlite3 is cool indeed, and Jamis's library is even better.
>
> Please note that you need the (as-of-yet) unreleased version 1.1.0 of
> Sqlite3-Ruby. Jamis Buck was kind enough to make some small changes to
> the library to better support Og but havent released the new version yet.

I will be releasing 1.1.0 of SQLite3/Ruby ASAP. If you want to use it
sooner, you can use the version in svn:

http://www.jamisbuck.org/svn/sq...

Sorry for the delay.

--
Jamis Buck
jamis_buck@byu.edu
http://jamis.jam...
------------------------------
"I am Victor of Borge. You will be assimil-nine-ed."

Florian Gross

2/15/2005 5:05:00 PM

0

George Moschovitis wrote:

> sure, first of all, enable typechecking:
>
> Property.type_checking = true
>
> then define your class:
>
> class Article
> prop_accessor :name, String
> end
>
> the try to violate tha prop_accessor type:
>
> a = Article.new
> a.name = 123 # => You get an exception!
>
> useful to catch some bugs.
>
> btw, this is NOT an restricted to Og application, this is not
> an Og feature.

Interesting stuff.

I'm currently working on the ruby-contract library (see
ruby-contract.rubyforge.org) that would allow you to do something
similar like this:

class Article
attr_accessor :name
signature :name=, String
signature :name, :return => String # optional
end

I've also implemented type adaption so the above would also accept
anything that implements the .to_str method correctly. (Pathname and so on)

Feedback or questions are very welcome.

George Moschovitis

2/16/2005 9:02:00 AM

0

> Interesting stuff.
> ...
> Feedback or questions are very welcome.

Hello Florian,

I 'll go to download your library, seems to me this does more or less
the same. Perhaps we could cooperate on this and come up with a single
library that still works with Og.

Btw, perhaps I should contact you by email, I would like to use some of
your magic tricks EvilRuby tricks in Nitro.

best regards,
George.

guardian Snow

1/9/2009 8:17:00 PM

0

On Jan 10, 6:20 am, thej...@hotmail.com wrote:

> So which is it, jerk?
>
> Is the name "Iesosus" pagan as you claimed at 12:00 PM today,
> or is the name "Iesosus" of Hebrew origin as you claimed at 1:46 PM
> today?

You really are that slow, aren't you. Iesus is the Greek pagan word
that has been translated to be the same as the Hebrew name for the
Messiah but it isn't.

Learn to read.

"Of Hebrew origin [H3091]", doesn't mean Iesus is Hebrew, it means
that it suppose to be a translation of the Hebrew word Yehoshua.

thejarv

1/9/2009 8:37:00 PM

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On Jan 9, 3:06 pm, Linda Lee <lyndalee8...@juno.com> wrote:
> On Jan 9, 2:20 pm, thej...@hotmail.com wrote:> [an interesting follow-up from another thread]
>
> On Jan 9, 2:19 pm, thej...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> - Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 9, 1:46 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
> > > On Jan 10, 3:27 am, thej...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > > H3091
> > > > > ??????    ????????
> > > > > yeho^shu^a?  yeho^shu^a?
> > > > > yeh-ho-shoo'-ah, yeh-ho-shoo'-ah
> > > > > From H3068 and H3467; Jehovah-saved; Jehoshua (that is, Joshua), the
> > > > > Jewish leader: - Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Joshua. Compare H1954, H3442.
> > > > ==============
> > > > That's the name of the Jewish leader that came after Moses, just as
> > > > Strong's says.
> > > > Strong's doesn't say that is the name of the Messiah.
> > > Wrong again.. I've already pointed out to you...
> > > G2424
> > > ???s????
> > > Ie¯sous
> > > ee-ay-sooce'
> > > Of Hebrew origin [H3091];
> > > Right here it says HEBREW ORIGIN H3091 Jehoshua is the name of our
> > > LORD and if you look at the other Strong reference, I put H3091.  So,
> > > YES IT DOES.
> > =============
> > I have a Strong's Concordance.
> > I looked up Hebrew word #3091 in the lexicon in the back.
> > It does *not* say anything about that name being the name of
> > the Messiah.
> > It says "the Jewish leader".
> > In the quote above you show Strong's claim that Greek word # 2424
> > "IESOUS" is derived from Hebrew #3091 "Yehoshua".
>
> Heb. 3091
> ??????    ????????
> yeho^shu^a?  yeho^shu^a?
> yeh-ho-shoo'-ah, yeh-ho-shoo'-ah
> From H3068 and H3467; Jehovah-saved; Jehoshua (i.e. Joshua), the
> Jewish leader: - Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Joshua. Compare H1954, H3442.
>
> Gk. 2424
> ???s????
> Ie¯sous
> ee-ay-sooce'
> Of Hebrew origin [Heb. 3091]; Jesus (i.e. Jehoshua), the name of our
> Lord and two (three) other Israelites: - Jesus.
>
> (It should have been more clear and said Jehoshua is the English
> translation of the Hebrew name of our Lord as it is translated in the
> O.T.)  However, the *point* is, the son of Nun and the Messiah shared
> the same Hebrew name, which is sometimes translated into English as
> Jehoshua or Joshua for the son of Nun and Jesus for the Messiah.
>
> > I am about to prove to the world just how completely dishonest you
> > are.
>
> Morris loudly says BRAY!
>
> - Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -
>
>
>
>
>
> > You previously said today:
> > ----------------begin quote---------------
> > Newsgroups: alt.messianic, soc.culture.jewish
> > From: guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au>
> > Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:00:52 -0800 (PST)
> > Local: Fri, Jan 9 2009 12:00 pm
> > Subject: Re: The real name of Jesus is Yehoshua, Yeshua
> > ...
> > The fact is that "Jesus" and looking at the enunciation of the word..
> > "HaZeus", is enough to connect it with Greek pagan myths of deities
> > that probably came from Apostle Paul.
> > ...
> > ---------------end quote-------------------
> > But now you quote Strong's as an authority in saying:
> > -----------------begin quote---------------
> > Newsgroups: alt.messianic, soc.culture.jewish
> > From: guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au>
> > Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:46:56 -0800 (PST)
> > Local: Fri, Jan 9 2009 1:46 pm
> > Subject: Re: The real name of Jesus is Yehoshua, Yeshua
> > ..
> > > G2424
> > > ???s????
> > > Ie¯sous
> > > ee-ay-sooce'
> > > Of Hebrew origin [H3091]
> > ...
> > -----------------end quote--------------
> > So which is it, jerk?
> > Is the name "Iesosus" pagan as you claimed at 12:00 PM today,
> > or is the name "Iesosus" of Hebrew origin as you claimed at 1:46 PM
> > today?
>
> And the woman-beating morris brays loudly once again.  That the Greeks
> chose Iesous to represent Yahashua` does not reveal the Greek
> translators' ** reasons ** for choosing that particular name to
> represent the name Yahashua`/"Jehoshua".
>
> Ieso was a Greek female 'deity', a granddaughter of Zeus, and the
> name's male form would end in 's', i.e. Iesous.  How coincidental,
> since the Greeks worshipped Zeus as their chief deity!  The Latin
> Vulgate used Iesus, which sounds very similar to Isis, an Egyptian
> deity.  You know though, the translators were likely just trying to be
> "all things to all people" like that false apostle you worship.-

===============

If you had bothered to read the quote I gave,
"Iesous" was chosen as the Greek transliteration of "Yehoshua"
by the JEWISH sages who wrote the SEPTUAGINT hundreds
of years BEFORE Jesus was born on Earth.

"IESOUS" was the title of the Book of Joshua in the SEPTUAGINT
that was written by JEWISH sages hundreds of years before Jesus was
born on Earth.

So when you claim that the JEWISH sages who wrote the SEPTUAGINT
were pagan "Greeks", you are being *stupid*.

Jesus is the Messiah

thejarv

1/9/2009 9:15:00 PM

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On Jan 9, 3:17 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
> On Jan 10, 6:20 am, thej...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > So which is it, jerk?
>
> > Is the name "Iesosus" pagan as you claimed at 12:00 PM today,
> > or is the name "Iesosus" of Hebrew origin as you claimed at 1:46 PM
> > today?
>
> You really are that slow, aren't you.  Iesus is the Greek pagan word
> that has been translated to be the same as the Hebrew name for the
> Messiah but it isn't.
>
> Learn to read.
>
> "Of Hebrew origin [H3091]", doesn't mean Iesus is Hebrew, it means
> that it suppose to be a translation of the Hebrew word Yehoshua.

===================

As already shown in this thread:

"IESOUS" was the translation chosen by the JEWISH sages who translated
the SEPTUAGINT hundreds of years before Jesus was born on Earth.

"IESOUS" was the name that the JEWISH sages gave to the Book of Joshua
in the SEPTUAGINT hundreds of years before Jesus was born on Earth.

So when you claimed that the translation "IESOUS" was from Paul
forcing paganism on Christianity, you were being STUPID.

Jesus is the Messiah

Linda Lee

1/9/2009 9:15:00 PM

0

On Jan 9, 3:36 pm, thej...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 9, 3:06 pm, Linda Lee <lyndalee8...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 9, 2:20 pm, thej...@hotmail.com wrote:> [an interesting follow-up from another thread]
>
> > On Jan 9, 2:19 pm, thej...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > - Hide quoted text -
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > On Jan 9, 1:46 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
> > > > On Jan 10, 3:27 am, thej...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > H3091
> > > > > > ??????    ????????
> > > > > > yeho^shu^a?  yeho^shu^a?
> > > > > > yeh-ho-shoo'-ah, yeh-ho-shoo'-ah
> > > > > > From H3068 and H3467; Jehovah-saved; Jehoshua (that is, Joshua), the
> > > > > > Jewish leader: - Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Joshua. Compare H1954, H3442.
> > > > > ==============
> > > > > That's the name of the Jewish leader that came after Moses, just as
> > > > > Strong's says.
> > > > > Strong's doesn't say that is the name of the Messiah.
> > > > Wrong again.. I've already pointed out to you...
> > > > G2424
> > > > ???s????
> > > > Ie¯sous
> > > > ee-ay-sooce'
> > > > Of Hebrew origin [H3091];
> > > > Right here it says HEBREW ORIGIN H3091 Jehoshua is the name of our
> > > > LORD and if you look at the other Strong reference, I put H3091.  So,
> > > > YES IT DOES.
> > > =============
> > > I have a Strong's Concordance.
> > > I looked up Hebrew word #3091 in the lexicon in the back.
> > > It does *not* say anything about that name being the name of
> > > the Messiah.
> > > It says "the Jewish leader".
> > > In the quote above you show Strong's claim that Greek word # 2424
> > > "IESOUS" is derived from Hebrew #3091 "Yehoshua".
>
> > Heb. 3091
> > ??????    ????????
> > yeho^shu^a?  yeho^shu^a?
> > yeh-ho-shoo'-ah, yeh-ho-shoo'-ah
> > From H3068 and H3467; Jehovah-saved; Jehoshua (i.e. Joshua), the
> > Jewish leader: - Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Joshua. Compare H1954, H3442.
>
> > Gk. 2424
> > ???s????
> > Ie¯sous
> > ee-ay-sooce'
> > Of Hebrew origin [Heb. 3091]; Jesus (i.e. Jehoshua), the name of our
> > Lord and two (three) other Israelites: - Jesus.
>
> > (It should have been more clear and said Jehoshua is the English
> > translation of the Hebrew name of our Lord as it is translated in the
> > O.T.)  However, the *point* is, the son of Nun and the Messiah shared
> > the same Hebrew name, which is sometimes translated into English as
> > Jehoshua or Joshua for the son of Nun and Jesus for the Messiah.
>
> > > I am about to prove to the world just how completely dishonest you
> > > are.
>
> > Morris loudly says BRAY!
>
> > - Hide quoted text -
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > You previously said today:
> > > ----------------begin quote---------------
> > > Newsgroups: alt.messianic, soc.culture.jewish
> > > From: guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au>
> > > Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:00:52 -0800 (PST)
> > > Local: Fri, Jan 9 2009 12:00 pm
> > > Subject: Re: The real name of Jesus is Yehoshua, Yeshua
> > > ...
> > > The fact is that "Jesus" and looking at the enunciation of the word..
> > > "HaZeus", is enough to connect it with Greek pagan myths of deities
> > > that probably came from Apostle Paul.
> > > ...
> > > ---------------end quote-------------------
> > > But now you quote Strong's as an authority in saying:
> > > -----------------begin quote---------------
> > > Newsgroups: alt.messianic, soc.culture.jewish
> > > From: guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au>
> > > Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:46:56 -0800 (PST)
> > > Local: Fri, Jan 9 2009 1:46 pm
> > > Subject: Re: The real name of Jesus is Yehoshua, Yeshua
> > > ..
> > > > G2424
> > > > ???s????
> > > > Ie¯sous
> > > > ee-ay-sooce'
> > > > Of Hebrew origin [H3091]
> > > ...
> > > -----------------end quote--------------
> > > So which is it, jerk?
> > > Is the name "Iesosus" pagan as you claimed at 12:00 PM today,
> > > or is the name "Iesosus" of Hebrew origin as you claimed at 1:46 PM
> > > today?
>
> > And the woman-beating morris brays loudly once again.  That the Greeks
> > chose Iesous to represent Yahashua` does not reveal the Greek
> > translators' ** reasons ** for choosing that particular name to
> > represent the name Yahashua`/"Jehoshua".
>
> > Ieso was a Greek female 'deity', a granddaughter of Zeus, and the
> > name's male form would end in 's', i.e. Iesous.  How coincidental,
> > since the Greeks worshipped Zeus as their chief deity!  The Latin
> > Vulgate used Iesus, which sounds very similar to Isis, an Egyptian
> > deity.  You know though, the translators were likely just trying to be
> > "all things to all people" like that false apostle you worship.-
>
> ===============
>
> If you had bothered to read the quote I gave,

To actually read all of what you wrote would be to give you some
respect, and I have none for you.

> "Iesous" was chosen as the Greek transliteration of "Yehoshua"
> by the JEWISH sages who wrote the SEPTUAGINT hundreds
> of years BEFORE Jesus was born on Earth.
>
> "IESOUS" was the title of the Book of Joshua in the SEPTUAGINT
> that was written by JEWISH sages hundreds of years before Jesus was
> born on Earth.

And you think Ptolemy II Philadelphus who commissioned the work had no
input on the name to be used for the son of Nun who had brought the
Israelites into the Promised Land? Since Ptolemy II reigned over a
Hellenistic Egypt, the name Iesous would be a very appropriate joining
of the names of the Greek (Hellenistic) 'goddess' Ieso and Egyptian
'goddess' Isis. Thanks for bringing that up. It clarifies things on
the origin of the name Iesous and its similarity to the names of both
pagan 'goddesses' Isis and Ieso. Just goes to show, even ignorant
woman-beaters can help bring about new understanding.

>
> So when you claim that the JEWISH sages who wrote the SEPTUAGINT
> were pagan "Greeks", you are being *stupid*.

My mistake; I should not have only used the word "translators", but
instead should have referred to the input of the one who commissioned
the work.

thejarv

1/9/2009 9:38:00 PM

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On Jan 9, 4:15 pm, Linda Lee <lyndalee8...@juno.com> wrote:
> On Jan 9, 3:36 pm, thej...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 9, 3:06 pm, Linda Lee <lyndalee8...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 9, 2:20 pm, thej...@hotmail.com wrote:> [an interesting follow-up from another thread]
>
> > > On Jan 9, 2:19 pm, thej...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > > - Hide quoted text -
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > On Jan 9, 1:46 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
> > > > > On Jan 10, 3:27 am, thej...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > H3091
> > > > > > > ??????    ????????
> > > > > > > yeho^shu^a?  yeho^shu^a?
> > > > > > > yeh-ho-shoo'-ah, yeh-ho-shoo'-ah
> > > > > > > From H3068 and H3467; Jehovah-saved; Jehoshua (that is, Joshua), the
> > > > > > > Jewish leader: - Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Joshua. Compare H1954, H3442.
> > > > > > ==============
> > > > > > That's the name of the Jewish leader that came after Moses, just as
> > > > > > Strong's says.
> > > > > > Strong's doesn't say that is the name of the Messiah.
> > > > > Wrong again.. I've already pointed out to you...
> > > > > G2424
> > > > > ???s????
> > > > > Ie¯sous
> > > > > ee-ay-sooce'
> > > > > Of Hebrew origin [H3091];
> > > > > Right here it says HEBREW ORIGIN H3091 Jehoshua is the name of our
> > > > > LORD and if you look at the other Strong reference, I put H3091.  So,
> > > > > YES IT DOES.
> > > > =============
> > > > I have a Strong's Concordance.
> > > > I looked up Hebrew word #3091 in the lexicon in the back.
> > > > It does *not* say anything about that name being the name of
> > > > the Messiah.
> > > > It says "the Jewish leader".
> > > > In the quote above you show Strong's claim that Greek word # 2424
> > > > "IESOUS" is derived from Hebrew #3091 "Yehoshua".
>
> > > Heb. 3091
> > > ??????    ????????
> > > yeho^shu^a?  yeho^shu^a?
> > > yeh-ho-shoo'-ah, yeh-ho-shoo'-ah
> > > From H3068 and H3467; Jehovah-saved; Jehoshua (i.e. Joshua), the
> > > Jewish leader: - Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Joshua. Compare H1954, H3442.
>
> > > Gk. 2424
> > > ???s????
> > > Ie¯sous
> > > ee-ay-sooce'
> > > Of Hebrew origin [Heb. 3091]; Jesus (i.e. Jehoshua), the name of our
> > > Lord and two (three) other Israelites: - Jesus.
>
> > > (It should have been more clear and said Jehoshua is the English
> > > translation of the Hebrew name of our Lord as it is translated in the
> > > O.T.)  However, the *point* is, the son of Nun and the Messiah shared
> > > the same Hebrew name, which is sometimes translated into English as
> > > Jehoshua or Joshua for the son of Nun and Jesus for the Messiah.
>
> > > > I am about to prove to the world just how completely dishonest you
> > > > are.
>
> > > Morris loudly says BRAY!
>
> > > - Hide quoted text -
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > You previously said today:
> > > > ----------------begin quote---------------
> > > > Newsgroups: alt.messianic, soc.culture.jewish
> > > > From: guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au>
> > > > Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:00:52 -0800 (PST)
> > > > Local: Fri, Jan 9 2009 12:00 pm
> > > > Subject: Re: The real name of Jesus is Yehoshua, Yeshua
> > > > ...
> > > > The fact is that "Jesus" and looking at the enunciation of the word...
> > > > "HaZeus", is enough to connect it with Greek pagan myths of deities
> > > > that probably came from Apostle Paul.
> > > > ...
> > > > ---------------end quote-------------------
> > > > But now you quote Strong's as an authority in saying:
> > > > -----------------begin quote---------------
> > > > Newsgroups: alt.messianic, soc.culture.jewish
> > > > From: guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au>
> > > > Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:46:56 -0800 (PST)
> > > > Local: Fri, Jan 9 2009 1:46 pm
> > > > Subject: Re: The real name of Jesus is Yehoshua, Yeshua
> > > > ..
> > > > > G2424
> > > > > ???s????
> > > > > Ie¯sous
> > > > > ee-ay-sooce'
> > > > > Of Hebrew origin [H3091]
> > > > ...
> > > > -----------------end quote--------------
> > > > So which is it, jerk?
> > > > Is the name "Iesosus" pagan as you claimed at 12:00 PM today,
> > > > or is the name "Iesosus" of Hebrew origin as you claimed at 1:46 PM
> > > > today?
>
> > > And the woman-beating morris brays loudly once again.  That the Greeks
> > > chose Iesous to represent Yahashua` does not reveal the Greek
> > > translators' ** reasons ** for choosing that particular name to
> > > represent the name Yahashua`/"Jehoshua".
>
> > > Ieso was a Greek female 'deity', a granddaughter of Zeus, and the
> > > name's male form would end in 's', i.e. Iesous.  How coincidental,
> > > since the Greeks worshipped Zeus as their chief deity!  The Latin
> > > Vulgate used Iesus, which sounds very similar to Isis, an Egyptian
> > > deity.  You know though, the translators were likely just trying to be
> > > "all things to all people" like that false apostle you worship.-
>
> > ===============
>
> > If you had bothered to read the quote I gave,
>
> To actually read all of what you wrote would be to give you some
> respect, and I have none for you.
>
> > "Iesous" was chosen as the Greek transliteration of "Yehoshua"
> > by the JEWISH sages who wrote the SEPTUAGINT hundreds
> > of years BEFORE Jesus was born on Earth.
>
> > "IESOUS" was the title of the Book of Joshua in the SEPTUAGINT
> > that was written by JEWISH sages hundreds of years before Jesus was
> > born on Earth.
>
> And you think Ptolemy II Philadelphus who commissioned the work had no
> input on the name to be used for the son of Nun who had brought the
> Israelites into the Promised Land?  Since Ptolemy II reigned over a
> Hellenistic Egypt, the name Iesous would be a very appropriate joining
> of the names of the Greek (Hellenistic) 'goddess' Ieso and Egyptian
> 'goddess' Isis.  Thanks for bringing that up.  It clarifies things on
> the origin of the name Iesous and its similarity to the names of both
> pagan 'goddesses' Isis and Ieso.  

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You should put your brain in gear before you type.

There is no reason that Jewish sages would change the Bible to suit
the whim of an Egyptian king.

There is no reason that an Egyptian king would pick *that* name out of
all the rest in the Bible for corrupting 300 years before Jesus was
born on Earth.

There is no reason that an Egyptian king would want to give the
impression that an Egyptian god helped the Jews defeat the Egyptian
armies and helped Jews create Israel that would war against Egypt.

That would be like present-day Muslims claiming that Allah has been
helping the Jews create and maintain Israel.
Baloney.

Jesus is the Messiah