George Plimpton
8/28/2012 4:28:00 AM
On 8/27/2012 8:55 PM, Dhu on Gate wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Aug 2012 20:43:36 -0700, George Plimpton wrote:
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>> On 8/27/2012 8:41 PM, Dhu on Gate wrote:
>>> On Mon, 27 Aug 2012 19:57:45 -0700, George Plimpton wrote:
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>>>> Bitch Holeman, left-wing extremist liar, dissembled:
>>>>> Delvin Benet <DB@nbc.n??t> wrote in
>>>>> news:Y_ydnTl8is8ZYKbNnZ2dnUVZ5tCdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bitch Holeman, left-wing extremist liar, dissembled:
>>>>>>> Delvin Benet <DB@nbc.n??t> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:6_ednephRcuOf6bNnZ2dnUVZ5uOdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bitch Holeman, left-wing extremist liar, dissembled:
>>>>>>>>> Delvin Benet <DB@nbc.n??t> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:I5CdnRk3Iq30t6TNnZ2dnUVZ5sidnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bitch Holeman, left-wing extremist liar, dissembled:
>>>>>>>>>>> Delvin Benet <DB@nbc.n??t> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:bfOdndjM55qsbqXNnZ2dnUVZ5vadnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/25/2012 8:39 AM, William December Starr wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <y5ydncP785EtH6rNnZ2dnUVZ5r6dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Delvin Benet <DB@nbc.n??t> said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Loosely speaking -- which is the only way to talk about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> groupings that include tens of millions of people --
>>>>> liberals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that people shouldn't have the _option_ of being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selfish, while conservatives do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The conservatives are correct, and the liberals are wrong.
>>>>> To
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say that people shouldn't have the option of choosing how
>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to donate to charity is to be totalitarian.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't say "to a charity."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course you didn't - you're totalitarian,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No I'm not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! Of *course* you are! What an absurd and
>>>>>>>>>>>> pointless denial you just attempted!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and you want the money to be *taken*, not donated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I want everyone to be required to make an equitable contribution
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the common good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You're a totalitarian. "Required" - that's totalitarianism.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such thing as "the common good." The confiscations -
>>>>>>>>>>>> not "contributions" - that you are advocating (because you're a
>>>>>>>>>>>> totalitarian) are not for any "common good" at all; they're to
>>>>>>>>>>>> redistribute wealth to people you declare to be deserving. Your
>>>>>>>>>>>> declaration is based on totalitarian thought.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leftists are totalitarian.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, you just see the world in intense black and white.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see totalitarian leftists like you for what you are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fact that you think you see something apparently has very
>>>>>>>>>>>>> little to do with whether it actually exists.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You are a totalitarian statist - not in rational dispute. You
>>>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> confiscate value from people in order to serve a totalitarian
>>>>>>>>>>>> ideal.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What rights do what people have to
>>>>>>>>>>> things of value, and who determines
>>>>>>>>>>> those rights?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> People have complete and exclusive property rights to things of
>>>>>>>>>> value they produce or acquire through voluntary exchange. No one
>>>>>>>>> "determines"
>>>>>>>>>> those rights - no rights are societally determined.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Really? Society doesn't determine rights thru
>>>>>>>>> copyrights, patents, titles, trademarks, not to
>>>>>>>>> mention the courts?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Those are recognitions of rights. They are not the conferral of the
>>>>>>>> rights.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who does the conferral of said rights?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No one. Anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of rights theory
>>>>>> knows this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> con??ferredcon??fer??ring
>>>>
>>>> Forget it, Bitch. rights are not "conferred" - people are endowed with
>>>> them. Rights *precede* any law. Governments are instituted among men
>>>> to secure those rights, not to "confer" them.
>>>
>>> Umn, just where in the laws of God or Physics are these "rights" written?
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>> So, people without written language are incapable of conceiving of
>> rights? Really?
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> Where does it say that people without written language do not have Laws and Society?
No, you answer my questions, and not with another BS question.
Why is it necessary for rights to be "written"? In particular, where do
you get this absurd idea that they must be written in <chortle> "the
laws of God" or <guffaw> "the laws of Physics" [sic]?
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>>>> As usual, Bitch, you're just fucked. Your view of rights being
>>>> "conferred" is entirely contradicted by the views of the founders, by
>>>> the founding documents, and by over 200 years of American jurisprudence.
>>>> In particular, Bitch, *your* side argued in support of two particular
>>>> rights - a right to "privacy" leading to a right to contraceptives, and
>>>> a "woman's 'right' to choose" an abortion, on the basis that these are
>>>> *naturally* endowed rights, not rights "conferred" by any law. Note,
>>>> Bitch, that the ninth amendment explicitly says:
>>>>
>>>> The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not
>>>> be construed to deny or disparage others [unenumerated] retained
>>>> by the people.
>>>>
>>>> There are two key things that you, Bitch, do not comprehend. First, the
>>>> amendment does not refer to any rights "conferred" in the Constitution,
>>>> Bitch - it talks about rights that have been enumerated. The
>>>> Constitution did not "confer" the rights, Bitch; it simply listed a few
>>>> of them.
>>>>
>>>> Second, Bitch, the amendment makes explicit reference to rights
>>>> *retained* by the people, meaning they hold those rights *anterior* to
>>>> the adoption of that or any other constitution.
>>>>
>>>> You're fucked, Bitch - once again, you've just fucked yourself right up
>>>> your own ass. Neat trick, Bitch!
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