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Re: Setting and getting methods and variables

e

1/15/2005 9:34:00 PM

> Lähettäjä: "erlercw@siu.edu" <erlercw@siu.edu>
> Aihe: Setting and getting methods and variables
>
> Object#instance_variable_set
> Object#instance_variable_get
> Object#methods
> Module#define_method
> Module#remove_method
> Module#undef_method
>
> and all the other similar methods suffer from being scattered
> through several classes and naming inconsistencies.
> #instance_variable_set is not only noun-verb, the opposite of
> most method names, set is also different than define. Also,
> what's the difference between remove and undef ? It's not easy
> to tell on first glance and the help at ruby-doc.org is a bit
> misleading.
>
> The main problem is that it seems like a bunch of hackish
> workarounds that were added after the language was designed.
> Java needs things like utility classes and long, wordy names,
> because it was badly designed. Ruby doesn't need to suffer the
> same problems.
>
> I propose a more streamlined way of changing methods and
> instance variables on the fly: treat them like hashes. This
> doesn't have to affect the inner workings of Ruby, just the
> programmer's interface to Ruby.
>
> For instance, object_or_class.private_instance_methods should
> return a reference to the object or class MethodHash. This
> will allow easily adding new methods or getting old methods
> without obscure incantations. The same kind of things could be
> done with instance and class variables (perhaps with a normal
> Hash or VariableHash).
>
> MethodHash#merge would be an easy way to do advanced things
> similar to mixing in modules (although the current method of
> actually mixing in modules works fine and should be kept).
>
> MethodHash#delete would be an easy way to do
> Object#remove_method; hash[:method] = nil should also work. I
> propose leaving two ways to do Object#undef_method: provide
> Object#undef_method (or something with a better name like
> #forget_method or #block_method) that will set the method in
> the MethodHash to false (conceptually, Ruby looks at the
> object's methods first, and false would make the point clear to
> Ruby and programmers). This will allow people to figure out
> how to block a method just by looking at method names and also
> allow a somewhat intuitive way of blocking to those who don't
> like memorizing method names.
>
> MethodHash#keys would do the same thing as the array-returning
> methods (that list methods) do now.
>
> This would make Ruby much less Java-like (verbose and no nice
> features like #[] and #[]= outside of arrays). It would remove
> the need to learn which arcane incantation you need (and allow
> for Ruby's designers not to have to waste time thinking up
> names) for private instance methods compared to instance
> methods (Do I use 'set' or 'define' here ? Does the verb come
> first or last ? etc). Plus, it would be, like blocks and
> iterators, easier to learn and apply in Ruby than most other
> languages. It would also reduce the time I need to spend
> looking in Pickaxe for method names.
>
> I'm planning on making this an RCR, but I wanted to hear a bit
> of criticism to help me shape the RCR.

What if that Object is a Hash or any other object that already
implements [] and []= for other purposes? Or are you saying that
instead of:

foo = Object.new
foo.instance_variable_set :@bar, "BAZ"

One would write:

foo.instance_variable[:@bar] = "BAZ"

(And not foo[:@bar] = "BAZ")?

Something simple,

Object#iv
-and-
Object#method

E



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1/11/2012 10:37:00 PM

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1/12/2012 12:20:00 AM

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"BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestroyEverything@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
message news:4F0DDDCD.4070203@blackhole.nebulax.com...
> On 1/11/2012 11:07 AM, JonHuntsman wrote:
>> Won't happen as long as Justices Roberts, Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and
>> Kennedy continue to receive "support" from certain backers.
>>
>> http://www.democracynow.org/2012/1/5/citizens_united_backlash_grows_from_cali#.TwynERA...
>
>
> Under what power/authority does the Supreme court give any one or any
> entity person-hood?
>
.
.
.
Are you an immigrant to the United States?
Have you never been taught about American government?


Buster Norris

1/12/2012 1:11:00 AM

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On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 19:57:28 -0400, "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net>
wrote:
>The Clinton administration warned Rice.

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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is, there was no plan on Al Qaeda that was passed from the Clinton
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,1150...

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BeamMeUpScotty

1/12/2012 7:39:00 PM

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On 1/11/2012 7:20 PM, Sid9 wrote:
>
> "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestroyEverything@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
> message news:4F0DDDCD.4070203@blackhole.nebulax.com...
>> On 1/11/2012 11:07 AM, JonHuntsman wrote:
>>> Won't happen as long as Justices Roberts, Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and
>>> Kennedy continue to receive "support" from certain backers.
>>>
>>> http://www.democracynow.org/2012/1/5/citizens_united_backlash_grows_from_cali#.TwynERA...
>>>
>>
>>
>> Under what power/authority does the Supreme court give any one or any
>> entity person-hood?
>>
> .
> .
> .
> Are you an immigrant to the United States?
> Have you never been taught about American government?

That was your opportunity to teach me....


I went to Socialist Government schools, but I'm still willing to learn
despite their attempt to kill that spark.






--
A little Liberalism like a little alcohol, can be a good thing but when
either of them take control, they become self destructive.

deep

1/12/2012 7:56:00 PM

0

On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 14:38:32 -0500, BeamMeUpScotty
<ThenDestroyEverything@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:

>On 1/11/2012 7:20 PM, Sid9 wrote:
>>
>> "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestroyEverything@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
>> message news:4F0DDDCD.4070203@blackhole.nebulax.com...
>>> On 1/11/2012 11:07 AM, JonHuntsman wrote:
>>>> Won't happen as long as Justices Roberts, Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and
>>>> Kennedy continue to receive "support" from certain backers.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.democracynow.org/2012/1/5/citizens_united_backlash_grows_from_cali#.TwynERA...
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Under what power/authority does the Supreme court give any one or any
>>> entity person-hood?
>>>
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> Are you an immigrant to the United States?
>> Have you never been taught about American government?
>
>That was your opportunity to teach me....
>
>
>I went to Socialist Government schools, but I'm still willing to learn
>despite their attempt to kill that spark.

You played football in school, didn't you? All the stupidest kids in
class played football.

BeamMeUpScotty

1/12/2012 8:17:00 PM

0

On 1/12/2012 2:56 PM, deep@dudu.org wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 14:38:32 -0500, BeamMeUpScotty
> <ThenDestroyEverything@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/11/2012 7:20 PM, Sid9 wrote:
>>>
>>> "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestroyEverything@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
>>> message news:4F0DDDCD.4070203@blackhole.nebulax.com...
>>>> On 1/11/2012 11:07 AM, JonHuntsman wrote:
>>>>> Won't happen as long as Justices Roberts, Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and
>>>>> Kennedy continue to receive "support" from certain backers.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.democracynow.org/2012/1/5/citizens_united_backlash_grows_from_cali#.TwynERA...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Under what power/authority does the Supreme court give any one or any
>>>> entity person-hood?
>>>>
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> Are you an immigrant to the United States?
>>> Have you never been taught about American government?
>>
>> That was your opportunity to teach me....
>>
>>
>> I went to Socialist Government schools, but I'm still willing to learn
>> despite their attempt to kill that spark.
>
> You played football in school, didn't you? All the stupidest kids in
> class played football.

Not that there is any truth in what you say, but NO.

You Liberals do like to Stereotype people, do you also believe that all
the Black kids would eat Water Mellon out in back of the cafeteria?

Or that the Chicano kids were all in teh parking lot brushing the lint
off the FUZZY DICE that hang from the MIRROR?


You Democrat Socialists are a RACIST, BIGOTED lot aren't you?


Do you laugh at the physically disabled as well as the mentally challenged?


--
A little Liberalism like a little alcohol, can be a good thing but when
either of them take control, they become self destructive.

Sid9

1/12/2012 8:42:00 PM

0


"BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestroyEverything@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
message news:4F0F3FAF.50706@blackhole.nebulax.com...
> On 1/12/2012 2:56 PM, deep@dudu.org wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 14:38:32 -0500, BeamMeUpScotty
>> <ThenDestroyEverything@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/11/2012 7:20 PM, Sid9 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestroyEverything@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
>>>> message news:4F0DDDCD.4070203@blackhole.nebulax.com...
>>>>> On 1/11/2012 11:07 AM, JonHuntsman wrote:
>>>>>> Won't happen as long as Justices Roberts, Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and
>>>>>> Kennedy continue to receive "support" from certain backers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.democracynow.org/2012/1/5/citizens_united_backlash_grows_from_cali#.TwynERA...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Under what power/authority does the Supreme court give any one or any
>>>>> entity person-hood?
>>>>>
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> Are you an immigrant to the United States?
>>>> Have you never been taught about American government?
>>>
>>> That was your opportunity to teach me....
>>>
>>>
>>> I went to Socialist Government schools, but I'm still willing to learn
>>> despite their attempt to kill that spark.
>>
>> You played football in school, didn't you? All the stupidest kids in
>> class played football.
>
> Not that there is any truth in what you say, but NO.
>
> You Liberals do like to Stereotype people, do you also believe that all
> the Black kids would eat Water Mellon out in back of the cafeteria?
>
> Or that the Chicano kids were all in teh parking lot brushing the lint
> off the FUZZY DICE that hang from the MIRROR?
>
>
> You Democrat Socialists are a RACIST, BIGOTED lot aren't you?
>
>
> Do you laugh at the physically disabled as well as the mentally
> challenged?
>
>
> --
> A little Liberalism like a little alcohol, can be a good thing but when
> either of them take control, they become self destructive.

Liberals, Democrats and Republicans alike got the civil rights bill passed.
Today the Radical right has captured the Republican party and those right
wing Southern Democrats have moved en mass into the Republican party.

We know where all you racists went.

BeamMeUpScotty

1/12/2012 9:12:00 PM

0

On 1/12/2012 3:41 PM, Sid9 wrote:
>
> "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestroyEverything@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
> message news:4F0F3FAF.50706@blackhole.nebulax.com...
>> On 1/12/2012 2:56 PM, deep@dudu.org wrote:
>>> On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 14:38:32 -0500, BeamMeUpScotty
>>> <ThenDestroyEverything@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/11/2012 7:20 PM, Sid9 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestroyEverything@blackhole.nebulax.com>
>>>>> wrote in
>>>>> message news:4F0DDDCD.4070203@blackhole.nebulax.com...
>>>>>> On 1/11/2012 11:07 AM, JonHuntsman wrote:
>>>>>>> Won't happen as long as Justices Roberts, Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and
>>>>>>> Kennedy continue to receive "support" from certain backers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.democracynow.org/2012/1/5/citizens_united_backlash_grows_from_cali#.TwynERA...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Under what power/authority does the Supreme court give any one or any
>>>>>> entity person-hood?
>>>>>>
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> Are you an immigrant to the United States?
>>>>> Have you never been taught about American government?
>>>>
>>>> That was your opportunity to teach me....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I went to Socialist Government schools, but I'm still willing to learn
>>>> despite their attempt to kill that spark.
>>>
>>> You played football in school, didn't you? All the stupidest kids in
>>> class played football.
>>
>> Not that there is any truth in what you say, but NO.
>>
>> You Liberals do like to Stereotype people, do you also believe that all
>> the Black kids would eat Water Mellon out in back of the cafeteria?
>>
>> Or that the Chicano kids were all in teh parking lot brushing the lint
>> off the FUZZY DICE that hang from the MIRROR?
>>
>>
>> You Democrat Socialists are a RACIST, BIGOTED lot aren't you?
>>
>>
>> Do you laugh at the physically disabled as well as the mentally
>> challenged?
>>
>>
>> --
>> A little Liberalism like a little alcohol, can be a good thing but when
>> either of them take control, they become self destructive.
>
> Liberals, Democrats and Republicans alike got the civil rights bill passed.
> Today the Radical right has captured the Republican party and those
> right wing Southern Democrats have moved en mass into the Republican party.
>
> We know where all you racists went.


Of course, you are here confessing your Bigoted, racist beliefs.

I'll keep pointing them out to you, because I want you to become a
better person.






--
A little Liberalism like a little alcohol, can be a good thing but when
either of them take control, they become self destructive.

Yoorghis

1/12/2012 10:29:00 PM

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On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 14:38:32 -0500, BeamMeUpScotty
<ThenDestroyEverything@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:

>I went to Socialist Government schools, but I'm still willing to learn
>despite their attempt to kill that spark.

You stupid fuck

ALL schools are "government schools"

Didn't you know that?

First. Post

1/12/2012 10:34:00 PM

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On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 16:12:13 -0500, BeamMeUpScotty
<ThenDestroyEverything@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:

>On 1/12/2012 3:41 PM, Sid9 wrote:
>>
>> "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestroyEverything@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
>> message news:4F0F3FAF.50706@blackhole.nebulax.com...
>>> On 1/12/2012 2:56 PM, deep@dudu.org wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 14:38:32 -0500, BeamMeUpScotty
>>>> <ThenDestroyEverything@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/11/2012 7:20 PM, Sid9 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestroyEverything@blackhole.nebulax.com>
>>>>>> wrote in
>>>>>> message news:4F0DDDCD.4070203@blackhole.nebulax.com...
>>>>>>> On 1/11/2012 11:07 AM, JonHuntsman wrote:
>>>>>>>> Won't happen as long as Justices Roberts, Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and
>>>>>>>> Kennedy continue to receive "support" from certain backers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.democracynow.org/2012/1/5/citizens_united_backlash_grows_from_cali#.TwynERA...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Under what power/authority does the Supreme court give any one or any
>>>>>>> entity person-hood?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> Are you an immigrant to the United States?
>>>>>> Have you never been taught about American government?
>>>>>
>>>>> That was your opportunity to teach me....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I went to Socialist Government schools, but I'm still willing to learn
>>>>> despite their attempt to kill that spark.
>>>>
>>>> You played football in school, didn't you? All the stupidest kids in
>>>> class played football.
>>>
>>> Not that there is any truth in what you say, but NO.
>>>
>>> You Liberals do like to Stereotype people, do you also believe that all
>>> the Black kids would eat Water Mellon out in back of the cafeteria?
>>>
>>> Or that the Chicano kids were all in teh parking lot brushing the lint
>>> off the FUZZY DICE that hang from the MIRROR?
>>>
>>>
>>> You Democrat Socialists are a RACIST, BIGOTED lot aren't you?
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you laugh at the physically disabled as well as the mentally
>>> challenged?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> A little Liberalism like a little alcohol, can be a good thing but when
>>> either of them take control, they become self destructive.
>>
>> Liberals, Democrats and Republicans alike got the civil rights bill passed.
>> Today the Radical right has captured the Republican party and those
>> right wing Southern Democrats have moved en mass into the Republican party.
>>
>> We know where all you racists went.
>
>
>Of course, you are here confessing your Bigoted, racist beliefs.
>
>I'll keep pointing them out to you, because I want you to become a
>better person.

Ah yes. Sid still spouting the long defunct "dixiecrat" myth.

They always claim that hundreds of thousands of southern racist
democrats jumped to the Republican party after the Republicans passed
the civil rights act (which is about as ignorant sounding of a
statement one could make) but never can cite any numbers whatsoever to
back up that lie.
Top that off with the fact that over 53% of the total US black
population choose to live in the so called "racist south" and the myth
is weakened even further and idiots like Sid look like even bigger
idiots.