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Proliferation of web frameworks

Carl Youngblood

1/13/2005 3:43:00 PM

I don't know about you guys, but I'm starting to be overwhelmed by the
recent proliferation of web frameworks for ruby. I mean, this is really
cool and all, but there's a point at which it becomes difficult to
digest everything. I sometimes feel, after learning how to use one of
them, as if I've just bought the latest and greatest gadget, only to
learn that the Joneses already bought next year's model :-)

Carl
39 Answers

Petite Abeille

1/13/2005 3:51:00 PM

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On Jan 13, 2005, at 16:42, Carl Youngblood wrote:

> I don't know about you guys, but I'm starting to be overwhelmed by the
> recent proliferation of web frameworks for ruby. I mean, this is
> really cool and all, but there's a point at which it becomes difficult
> to digest everything. I sometimes feel, after learning how to use one
> of them, as if I've just bought the latest and greatest gadget, only
> to learn that the Joneses already bought next year's model :-)

Ahhh... choice... choice... so much choice...

http://weblogs.java.net/blog/kirillcool/archiv...
open_source_the.html

This anarchy cannot be tolerated any longer:

http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/graphics/book_stalincover...

Just kidding. Get use to it. To the "abundance of prolific choices" I
mean :o)

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George Moschovitis

1/13/2005 4:17:00 PM

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> I don't know about you guys, but I'm starting to be overwhelmed by
the
> ...
> learn that the Joneses already bought next year's model :-)
well choice is a good thing, they say :)
George.

djberg96

1/13/2005 4:22:00 PM

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Carl Youngblood wrote:
> I don't know about you guys, but I'm starting to be overwhelmed by
the
> recent proliferation of web frameworks for ruby. I mean, this is
really
> cool and all, but there's a point at which it becomes difficult to
> digest everything. I sometimes feel, after learning how to use one
of
> them, as if I've just bought the latest and greatest gadget, only to
> learn that the Joneses already bought next year's model :-)
>
> Carl

Ok, now that I've figured out (again) how to include the original text
in a reply via Google Groups...

Designing a web framework seems to be one of those itches than many
programmers feel compelled to scratch. It happens in every language.
Dan

Petite Abeille

1/13/2005 4:30:00 PM

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On Jan 13, 2005, at 17:26, Daniel Berger wrote:

> Designing a web framework seems to be one of those itches than many
> programmers feel compelled to scratch. It happens in every language.

Or writing yet another email client :o)

http...

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Lothar Scholz

1/13/2005 5:28:00 PM

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Hello George,

>> I don't know about you guys, but I'm starting to be overwhelmed by
GM> the
>> ...
>> learn that the Joneses already bought next year's model :-)
GM> well choice is a good thing, they say :)
GM> George.

But only very few of them are a good choice, and thats a bad thing.


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Petite Abeille

1/13/2005 5:34:00 PM

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On Jan 13, 2005, at 18:27, Lothar Scholz wrote:

> But only very few of them are a good choice, and thats a bad thing.

Why? The fact that there are so much choice, both good and bad, force
you to make/take decisions. This is a positive thing by itself.

"experience, n.
The wisdom that enables us to recognize as an undesirable old
acquaintance the folly that we have already embraced."

-- Some dead American dude

Cheers

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Douglas Livingstone

1/13/2005 6:57:00 PM

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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 02:34:19 +0900, PA <petite.abeille@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Jan 13, 2005, at 18:27, Lothar Scholz wrote:
>
> > But only very few of them are a good choice, and thats a bad thing.
>
> Why? The fact that there are so much choice, both good and bad, force
> you to make/take decisions. This is a positive thing by itself.

It might be more productive if there could be a way for people to more
easily contribute to frameworks, rather than feel that they had to
rewrite the same solutions for themselves, then releasing that
individually to give people greater "choice". Much like the
all-in-one-but-ugly Mozilla, vs the practically-nothing-but-extensive
Firefox. If I had that choice, I would take it - but I can't see it.
So the choice out there can't be good enough... guess I'll go and
start my own little framework with this in mind... or parhaps not.

Douglas

Carl Youngblood

1/13/2005 9:14:00 PM

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Douglas Livingstone wrote:

>It might be more productive if there could be a way for people to more
>easily contribute to frameworks, rather than feel that they had to
>rewrite the same solutions for themselves, then releasing that
>individually to give people greater "choice". Much like the
>all-in-one-but-ugly Mozilla, vs the practically-nothing-but-extensive
>Firefox. If I had that choice, I would take it - but I can't see it.
>So the choice out there can't be good enough... guess I'll go and
>start my own little framework with this in mind... or parhaps not.
>
That was kind of my thought. Choice is good, but perhaps all this
effort could be better spent improving existing code bases rather than
forking off new ones.

Francis Hwang

1/13/2005 10:03:00 PM

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On Jan 13, 2005, at 12:34 PM, PA wrote:

>
> On Jan 13, 2005, at 18:27, Lothar Scholz wrote:
>
>> But only very few of them are a good choice, and thats a bad thing.
>
> Why? The fact that there are so much choice, both good and bad, force
> you to make/take decisions. This is a positive thing by itself.

Some people probably want some help in their decisions, and that's a
reasonable desire. In the "information market" of Ruby users, there's a
vital role to be played as intermediary--that is, to skip trying to be
the guy who wrote everybody's favorite WAF, and instead to be the guy
who writes cogent summaries of the choices to help everybody pick their
own.

I just Googled for an example of a post like this, and although there's
a somewhat informative Ruby-Talk thread
(http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-...),
there appears to be no such blog entry that summarizes this.
(Mailing-list threads aren't enough on a topic like this, as they tend
to be extremely verbose.) If you are a Ruby blogger and are looking to
get more traffic to your site, you could probably boost your traffic by
writing an entry about what WAF you use, and why.

Francis Hwang
http://f...

David Heinemeier Hansson

1/13/2005 11:41:00 PM

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> It might be more productive if there could be a way for people to more
> easily contribute to frameworks, rather than feel that they had to
> rewrite the same solutions for themselves, then releasing that
> individually to give people greater "choice".

Actually, I think many are. I just did a quick count in the changelogs
for Rails. 78 different people has contributed code since I started
tracking it. So I think it could be a lot worse ;). We could have 78
other frameworks.
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