Asp Forum - Re: Kernel#eval and class definition

e

1/11/2005 8:07:00 PM

> Lähettäjä: Bertram Scharpf <lists@bertram-scharpf.de>
> Aihe: Kernel#eval and class definition
>
> Hi,
>
> I try to understand more deeply what Ruby does.
> Why here is the first line forbidden, the second allowed?
>
> def f ; class C ; end ; end
> def f ; eval "class C ; end", binding ; end
>
> Thanks for your answers in advance.

I'm assuming you have something passed to the function that you need
the binding for? Are you getting an error? You may want to try to
establish the binding before the eval call and see if that helps.

> Bertram

E

13 Answers

Bertram Scharpf

1/12/2005 9:36:00 AM

Am Mittwoch, 12. Jan 2005, 05:06:36 +0900 schrieb E S:
> > Lähettäjä: Bertram Scharpf <lists@bertram-scharpf.de>
> > Aihe: Kernel#eval and class definition
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I try to understand more deeply what Ruby does.
> > Why here is the first line forbidden, the second allowed?
> >
> > def f ; class C ; end ; end
> > def f ; eval "class C ; end", binding ; end
> >
> > Thanks for your answers in advance.
>
> I'm assuming you have something passed to the function that you need
> the binding for? Are you getting an error? You may want to try to
> establish the binding before the eval call and see if that helps.

That shouldn't make a difference and, as far as I see, it
doesn't.

irb(main):001:0> def f ; class C ; end ; end
SyntaxError: compile error
(irb):1: class definition in method body
def f ; class C ; end ; end
^
from (irb):1
irb(main):002:0> def f ; eval "class C ; end", binding ; end
=> nil
irb(main):003:0> def f x ; y = x ; eval "class C ; end", binding ; end
=> nil
irb(main):004:0>

Bertram

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Eddie Haskell

7/13/2010 9:57:00 PM

"Brian Wraith" <brianwraith@newzealand.invalid> wrote in message
news:i1ifhk$ngk$1@news.eternal-september.org...
On 7/13/2010 12:39 PM, Eddie Haskell wrote:
> "Brian Wraith"<brianwraith@newzealand.invalid> wrote in message
> news:i1ia5q$7lb$4@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 7/13/2010 10:59 AM, The PHANTOM wrote:
>> On Jul 13, 11:28 am, Brian Wraith<brianwra...@newzealand.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>> On 7/13/2010 8:47 AM, Eddie Haskell wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> "Brian Wraith"<brianwra...@newzealand.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:i1i0dh$lki$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> On 7/13/2010 8:17 AM, Eddie Haskell wrote:
>>>>> "lab~rat>:-)"<ch...@cheeze.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:3mvo36pdklj908i6kj39kg4g03pbnntrsp@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:45:22 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
>>>>>> <gopos...@jonjay.com> puked:
>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 9:29 am, "lab~rat>:-)"<ch...@cheeze.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:06:31 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
>>>>>>>> <gopos...@jonjay.com> puked:
>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 8:53?am, "vict0r"<l...@oocom.netb> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> It is true that the Arizona law makes it a misdemeanor for an
>>>>>>>>>> alien
>>>>>>>>>> to fail
>>>>>>>>>> to carry certain documents. "Now, suddenly, if you don't have
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> papers
>>>>>>>>>> ... you're going to be harassed," the president said. "That's not
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>>>>> way to go." But since 1940, it has been a federal crime for
>>>>>>>>>> aliens
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> fail
>>>>>>>>>> to keep such registration documents with them:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_......
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Arizona law simply adds a state penalty to what was already a
>>>>>>>>>> federal
>>>>>>>>>> crime. Moreover, as anyone who has traveled abroad knows, other
>>>>>>>>>> nations have
>>>>>>>>>> similar documentation requirements.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/29/opinion/29k...
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and if not, then why not?
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Any State Law that mirrors Federal Law is unconstitutional and
>>>>>>>>> therefore must be eliminated immediately.
>>>
>>>>>>>>> That is what the Constitution says, anyway...
>>>
>>>>>>>>> -RFH
>>>
>>>>>>>> So what about murder n shit?
>>>
>>>>>>> I remember when I was a child in Venezuela, my brother and I used to
>>>>>>> commented that in the US murder is not a Federal crime (unless the
>>>>>>> victim is a Federal employee, such as JFK) but opening a letter is.
>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>> the fugitive crosses borders, it becomes federal.
>>>
>>>>>> Right. So the state has no jurisdiction or authority to arrest
>>>>>> someone for murdering the president?
>>>
>>>>>>> It is like I try to wash your car without your permission. I (the
>>>>>>> state) can wash your car, but only if I follow your (Federal)
>>>>>>> policies, instructions, directives, etc., to the letter.
>>>
>>>>>>> The Feds (ICE) have decided that the real big problem is the crime
>>>>>>> (specially drugs) and they are focusing on hard criminals, not
>>>>>>> worrying so much about a worker who may be mother of an American
>>>>>>> citizen.
>>>
>>>>>>> Arizona, would prefer that ALL undocumented are prosecuted. For
>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>> worker that ICE captures, a hard criminal goes free - Which is
>>>>>>> perfect
>>>>>>> for the Arizona white supremacists that are in control of the
>>>>>>> government: they kill 2 birds with one stone.
>>>
>>>>>> It's been a few weeks since I read the law. Does it include
>>>>>> prosecuting them or detaining them? I don't remember anything about
>>>>>> prosecuting them.
>>>
>>>>> No, the law calls for them to be turned over to ICE and the
>>>>> administration
>>>>> has threatened not to take them. That's just how out of control the
>>>>> fuckers
>>>>> are.
>>>
>>>>> When the Feds lose the AZ lawsuits,
>>>
>>>> Unless they get a liberal judge. The actual law means nothing to them.
>>>
>>>>> ICE will accept, through the front door, those who are remanded by the
>>>>> AZ
>>>>> police and funnel them all out the back door.
>>>
>>>> Yeah, with citizenship papers and full voting rights no doubt. Next
>>>> thing
>>>> they will do is lend voting rights to felons and put voting machines in
>>>> prisons on election day.
>>>
>>>>> The lawsuits are a sham and are intended to galvanize the liberal
>>>>> base.
>>>
>>>> And garner the Hispanic vote. To hell with the law.
>>>
>>>>> Obama and Emmanuel are simply trying to convince leftists they are
>>>>> tough
>>>>> on conservatives.
>>>
>>>>> The truth of the matter is Obama and Holder have zero intention of
>>>>> enforcing Federal Immigration laws. When this can be substantiated by
>>>>> the
>>>>> actions of ICE, it is at that point the country has a good chance of
>>>>> impeaching this fool for high crimes and misdemeanors.
>>>
>>>> Yeah, but descending on Washington with pitchforks and torches to tar
>>>> and
>>>> feather them and run them out on a rail would be way more fun.
>>>
>>> Sorry, I don't see much fun in all this turmoil or in violence. It would
>>> be far more preferable to find a way to reach reasonable compromises and
>>> work together for the good of the western world.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> You're a dreamer. This regime is ALL ABOUT fundamental transformation
>> of America at any cost. Most people that didn't want to belive a
>> smooth talking car salesman/community organiser actually meant what he
>> said when he told us he wanted to "spread the wealth and fundamentally
>> transform America". The guy is dangerous and should never have been in
>> Washington D.C to VISIT the Whitehouse much less take up residence
>> there. Elections do have consequences.
>
>> So, what is your solution? Violence and assassination?
>
> Right here:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y...
>

> Come on Eddie, this is like trying to have a rational conversation with
> John Wilkes Booth.

More like trying to have a rational conversation with Pollyanna.

-Eddie Haskell

ayatollah obama

7/13/2010 9:59:00 PM

On Jul 13, 4:54 pm, Brian Wraith <brianwra...@newzealand.invalid>
wrote:
> On 7/13/2010 2:44 PM, President Soetoro wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 13, 2:51 pm, Brian Wraith<brianwra...@newzealand.invalid>
> > wrote:
> >> On 7/13/2010 12:42 PM, Eddie Haskell wrote:
>
> >>> "Brian Wraith"<brianwra...@newzealand.invalid> wrote in message
> >>>news:i1ieer$fna$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> >>> On 7/13/2010 11:59 AM, The PHANTOM wrote:
> >>>> On Jul 13, 1:10 pm, Brian Wraith<brianwra...@newzealand.invalid>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> On 7/13/2010 10:59 AM, The PHANTOM wrote:
>
> >>>>>> On Jul 13, 11:28 am, Brian Wraith<brianwra...@newzealand.invalid>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 7/13/2010 8:47 AM, Eddie Haskell wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>> "Brian Wraith"<brianwra...@newzealand.invalid> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>news:i1i0dh$lki$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> >>>>>>>> On 7/13/2010 8:17 AM, Eddie Haskell wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> "lab~rat>:-)"<ch...@cheeze.net> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>>news:3mvo36pdklj908i6kj39kg4g03pbnntrsp@4ax.com...
> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:45:22 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
> >>>>>>>>>> <gopos...@jonjay.com> puked:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 9:29 am, "lab~rat>:-)"<ch...@cheeze.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:06:31 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <gopos...@jonjay.com> puked:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 8:53æam, "vict0r"<l...@oocom.netb> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is true that the Arizona law makes it a misdemeanor for an
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> alien
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to fail
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to carry certain documents. "Now, suddenly, if you don't have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> papers
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... you're going to be harassed," the president said. "That's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> right
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> way to go." But since 1940, it has been a federal crime for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> aliens to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fail
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to keep such registration documents with them:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_......
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Arizona law simply adds a state penalty to what was already
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> federal
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> crime. Moreover, as anyone who has traveled abroad knows, other
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nations have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> similar documentation requirements.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/29/opinion/29k...
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if not, then why not?
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Any State Law that mirrors Federal Law is unconstitutional and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> therefore must be eliminated immediately.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That is what the Constitution says, anyway...
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -RFH
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> So what about murder n shit?
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I remember when I was a child in Venezuela, my brother and I used
> >>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>> commented that in the US murder is not a Federal crime (unless the
> >>>>>>>>>>> victim is a Federal employee, such as JFK) but opening a letter is.
> >>>>>>>>>>> If
> >>>>>>>>>>> the fugitive crosses borders, it becomes federal.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Right. So the state has no jurisdiction or authority to arrest
> >>>>>>>>>> someone for murdering the president?
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> It is like I try to wash your car without your permission. I (the
> >>>>>>>>>>> state) can wash your car, but only if I follow your (Federal)
> >>>>>>>>>>> policies, instructions, directives, etc., to the letter.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> The Feds (ICE) have decided that the real big problem is the crime
> >>>>>>>>>>> (specially drugs) and they are focusing on hard criminals, not
> >>>>>>>>>>> worrying so much about a worker who may be mother of an American
> >>>>>>>>>>> citizen.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, would prefer that ALL undocumented are prosecuted. For
> >>>>>>>>>>> every
> >>>>>>>>>>> worker that ICE captures, a hard criminal goes free - Which is
> >>>>>>>>>>> perfect
> >>>>>>>>>>> for the Arizona white supremacists that are in control of the
> >>>>>>>>>>> government: they kill 2 birds with one stone.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> It's been a few weeks since I read the law. Does it include
> >>>>>>>>>> prosecuting them or detaining them? I don't remember anything about
> >>>>>>>>>> prosecuting them.
>
> >>>>>>>>> No, the law calls for them to be turned over to ICE and the
> >>>>>>>>> administration
> >>>>>>>>> has threatened not to take them. That's just how out of control the
> >>>>>>>>> fuckers
> >>>>>>>>> are.
>
> >>>>>>>>> When the Feds lose the AZ lawsuits,
>
> >>>>>>>> Unless they get a liberal judge. The actual law means nothing to them.
>
> >>>>>>>>> ICE will accept, through the front door, those who are remanded by
> >>>>>>>>> the AZ
> >>>>>>>>> police and funnel them all out the back door.
>
> >>>>>>>> Yeah, with citizenship papers and full voting rights no doubt. Next
> >>>>>>>> thing
> >>>>>>>> they will do is lend voting rights to felons and put voting machines
> >>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>> prisons on election day.
>
> >>>>>>>>> The lawsuits are a sham and are intended to galvanize the liberal
> >>>>>>>>> base.
>
> >>>>>>>> And garner the Hispanic vote. To hell with the law.
>
> >>>>>>>>> Obama and Emmanuel are simply trying to convince leftists they are
> >>>>>>>>> tough
> >>>>>>>>> on conservatives.
>
> >>>>>>>>> The truth of the matter is Obama and Holder have zero intention of
> >>>>>>>>> enforcing Federal Immigration laws. When this can be substantiated by
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> actions of ICE, it is at that point the country has a good chance of
> >>>>>>>>> impeaching this fool for high crimes and misdemeanors.
>
> >>>>>>>> Yeah, but descending on Washington with pitchforks and torches to tar
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> feather them and run them out on a rail would be way more fun.
>
> >>>>>>> Sorry, I don't see much fun in all this turmoil or in violence. It
> >>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>> be far more preferable to find a way to reach reasonable compromises
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> work together for the good of the western world.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>
> >>>>>> You're a dreamer. This regime is ALL ABOUT fundamental transformation
> >>>>>> of America at any cost. Most people that didn't want to belive a
> >>>>>> smooth talking car salesman/community organiser actually meant what he
> >>>>>> said when he told us he wanted to "spread the wealth and fundamentally
> >>>>>> transform America". The guy is dangerous and should never have been in
> >>>>>> Washington D.C to VISIT the Whitehouse much less take up residence
> >>>>>> there. Elections do have consequences.
>
> >>>>> So, what is your solution? Violence and assassination?- Hide quoted
> >>>>> text -
>
> >>>>> - Show quoted text -
>
> >>>> You're the one that used the word "assassination". I prefer dragging
> >>>> the corrupt SOB's out of their beds in the middle of the night,running
> >>>> them down the street buck nekkid while poking them in the arse with a
> >>>> pitchfork,dipping them in hot tar,rolling them in feathers,riding them
> >>>> out of town on a rail and telling them to never come back !! I frankly
> >>>> don't want my country and the country my grandkids will grow up in
> >>>> totally transformed by a bunch of corrupt Chicago thug/progressive
> >>>> racists.
>
> >>>> Intelligently phrased words are far more effective, are admired by far
> >>>> more people and are far more all encompassing than thuggery.
>
> >>>> All you accomplish with political violence is to create martyrs which
> >>>> become a clarion call for the ideology of the martyr.
>
> >>>> Use your brain and not your brawn. For the sake of conservatives
> >>>> everywhere, let go of the fringe hate and just defeat them with logic and
> >>>> charisma.
>
> >>> We already did but they're ramming their agenda down our throats anyway.
>
> >>> Or haven't you noticed?
>
> >> Oh crimminy, haven't you noticed that all politics are cyclical. Nothing
> >> is being done which can't be undone.
>
> > how many years did it take to undo the Soviet Union?
>
> In the grand scheme of things, the Soviet Union did not last very long,
> what, about 73 years or so. One lifetime.

I can't believe you could even begin to make that statement, one day
was to long!! tell that to the millions who died or were killed during
the purges.

Eddie Haskell

7/13/2010 10:05:00 PM

"First Post." <Progressives=Socialists@Invalid.org> wrote in message
news:g0op36pp1vneiirjbo29v1kuiec3f8mt0f@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 16:49:55 -0500, "Eddie Haskell" <iopmc@ddvtt.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Brian Wraith" <brianwraith@newzealand.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:i1ig4c$tjk$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>On 7/13/2010 12:42 PM, Eddie Haskell wrote:
>>> "Brian Wraith"<brianwraith@newzealand.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:i1ieer$fna$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> On 7/13/2010 11:59 AM, The PHANTOM wrote:
>>>> On Jul 13, 1:10 pm, Brian Wraith<brianwra...@newzealand.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On 7/13/2010 10:59 AM, The PHANTOM wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 13, 11:28 am, Brian Wraith<brianwra...@newzealand.invalid>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/13/2010 8:47 AM, Eddie Haskell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Brian Wraith"<brianwra...@newzealand.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>> news:i1i0dh$lki$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>> On 7/13/2010 8:17 AM, Eddie Haskell wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "lab~rat>:-)"<ch...@cheeze.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:3mvo36pdklj908i6kj39kg4g03pbnntrsp@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:45:22 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
>>>>>>>>>> <gopos...@jonjay.com> puked:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 9:29 am, "lab~rat>:-)"<ch...@cheeze.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:06:31 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
>>>>>>>>>>>> <gopos...@jonjay.com> puked:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 8:53?am, "vict0r"<l...@oocom.netb> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is true that the Arizona law makes it a misdemeanor for an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alien
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to fail
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to carry certain documents. "Now, suddenly, if you don't have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> papers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... you're going to be harassed," the president said. "That's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way to go." But since 1940, it has been a federal crime for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aliens to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fail
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to keep such registration documents with them:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_......
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Arizona law simply adds a state penalty to what was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> federal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crime. Moreover, as anyone who has traveled abroad knows,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nations have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> similar documentation requirements.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/29/opinion/29k...
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if not, then why not?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any State Law that mirrors Federal Law is unconstitutional and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> therefore must be eliminated immediately.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is what the Constitution says, anyway...
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -RFH
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So what about murder n shit?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I remember when I was a child in Venezuela, my brother and I
>>>>>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> commented that in the US murder is not a Federal crime (unless
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> victim is a Federal employee, such as JFK) but opening a letter
>>>>>>>>>>> is.
>>>>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>>>> the fugitive crosses borders, it becomes federal.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Right. So the state has no jurisdiction or authority to arrest
>>>>>>>>>> someone for murdering the president?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It is like I try to wash your car without your permission. I
>>>>>>>>>>> (the
>>>>>>>>>>> state) can wash your car, but only if I follow your (Federal)
>>>>>>>>>>> policies, instructions, directives, etc., to the letter.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Feds (ICE) have decided that the real big problem is the
>>>>>>>>>>> crime
>>>>>>>>>>> (specially drugs) and they are focusing on hard criminals, not
>>>>>>>>>>> worrying so much about a worker who may be mother of an American
>>>>>>>>>>> citizen.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, would prefer that ALL undocumented are prosecuted. For
>>>>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>>>> worker that ICE captures, a hard criminal goes free - Which is
>>>>>>>>>>> perfect
>>>>>>>>>>> for the Arizona white supremacists that are in control of the
>>>>>>>>>>> government: they kill 2 birds with one stone.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's been a few weeks since I read the law. Does it include
>>>>>>>>>> prosecuting them or detaining them? I don't remember anything
>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>> prosecuting them.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, the law calls for them to be turned over to ICE and the
>>>>>>>>> administration
>>>>>>>>> has threatened not to take them. That's just how out of control
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> fuckers
>>>>>>>>> are.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When the Feds lose the AZ lawsuits,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unless they get a liberal judge. The actual law means nothing to
>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ICE will accept, through the front door, those who are remanded by
>>>>>>>>> the AZ
>>>>>>>>> police and funnel them all out the back door.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, with citizenship papers and full voting rights no doubt. Next
>>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>>> they will do is lend voting rights to felons and put voting
>>>>>>>> machines
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> prisons on election day.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The lawsuits are a sham and are intended to galvanize the liberal
>>>>>>>>> base.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And garner the Hispanic vote. To hell with the law.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Obama and Emmanuel are simply trying to convince leftists they are
>>>>>>>>> tough
>>>>>>>>> on conservatives.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The truth of the matter is Obama and Holder have zero intention of
>>>>>>>>> enforcing Federal Immigration laws. When this can be substantiated
>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> actions of ICE, it is at that point the country has a good chance
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> impeaching this fool for high crimes and misdemeanors.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, but descending on Washington with pitchforks and torches to
>>>>>>>> tar
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> feather them and run them out on a rail would be way more fun.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, I don't see much fun in all this turmoil or in violence. It
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> be far more preferable to find a way to reach reasonable compromises
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> work together for the good of the western world.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>
>>>>>> You're a dreamer. This regime is ALL ABOUT fundamental transformation
>>>>>> of America at any cost. Most people that didn't want to belive a
>>>>>> smooth talking car salesman/community organiser actually meant what
>>>>>> he
>>>>>> said when he told us he wanted to "spread the wealth and
>>>>>> fundamentally
>>>>>> transform America". The guy is dangerous and should never have been
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> Washington D.C to VISIT the Whitehouse much less take up residence
>>>>>> there. Elections do have consequences.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, what is your solution? Violence and assassination?- Hide quoted
>>>>> text -
>>>>>
>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>
>>>> You're the one that used the word "assassination". I prefer dragging
>>>> the corrupt SOB's out of their beds in the middle of the night,running
>>>> them down the street buck nekkid while poking them in the arse with a
>>>> pitchfork,dipping them in hot tar,rolling them in feathers,riding them
>>>> out of town on a rail and telling them to never come back !! I frankly
>>>> don't want my country and the country my grandkids will grow up in
>>>> totally transformed by a bunch of corrupt Chicago thug/progressive
>>>> racists.
>>>
>>>> Intelligently phrased words are far more effective, are admired by far
>>>> more people and are far more all encompassing than thuggery.
>>>
>>>> All you accomplish with political violence is to create martyrs which
>>>> become a clarion call for the ideology of the martyr.
>>>
>>>> Use your brain and not your brawn. For the sake of conservatives
>>>> everywhere, let go of the fringe hate and just defeat them with logic
>>>> and
>>>> charisma.
>>>
>>> We already did but they're ramming their agenda down our throats anyway.
>>>
>>> Or haven't you noticed?
>>
>>> Oh crimminy, haven't you noticed that all politics are cyclical. Nothing
>>> is being done which can't be undone.
>>
>>More naivety. Once you get people hooked on a government program you can
>>NEVER get rid of it, and democrats know it. Even if it promises to
>>bankrupt
>>the country. That's why time is running out.
>>
>>-Eddie Haskell
>>
> All one need do is simply look at Greece, a nation of entitlements.
> Even though the population knows that they are going broke, the mere
> mention of having to cut out some of their entitlements still drives
> the citizens into the streets to riot.
> It's like a heroin addict knowing that the drug is going to kill them
> but they will still stick it in their arm and be willing to kill in
> order to get it.

Good analogy. I've made the same argument about government "stimulus" and
the economy.

-Eddie Haskell

Brian Wraith

7/13/2010 10:06:00 PM

On 7/13/2010 2:59 PM, President Soetoro wrote:
> On Jul 13, 4:54 pm, Brian Wraith<brianwra...@newzealand.invalid>
> wrote:
>> On 7/13/2010 2:44 PM, President Soetoro wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 13, 2:51 pm, Brian Wraith<brianwra...@newzealand.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 7/13/2010 12:42 PM, Eddie Haskell wrote:
>>
>>>>> "Brian Wraith"<brianwra...@newzealand.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:i1ieer$fna$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> On 7/13/2010 11:59 AM, The PHANTOM wrote:
>>>>>> On Jul 13, 1:10 pm, Brian Wraith<brianwra...@newzealand.invalid>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/13/2010 10:59 AM, The PHANTOM wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 11:28 am, Brian Wraith<brianwra...@newzealand.invalid>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/13/2010 8:47 AM, Eddie Haskell wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Brian Wraith"<brianwra...@newzealand.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:i1i0dh$lki$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/13/2010 8:17 AM, Eddie Haskell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "lab~rat>:-)"<ch...@cheeze.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:3mvo36pdklj908i6kj39kg4g03pbnntrsp@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:45:22 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
>>>>>>>>>>>> <gopos...@jonjay.com> puked:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 9:29 am, "lab~rat>:-)"<ch...@cheeze.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:06:31 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <gopos...@jonjay.com> puked:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 8:53æam, "vict0r"<l...@oocom.netb> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is true that the Arizona law makes it a misdemeanor for an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alien
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to fail
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to carry certain documents. "Now, suddenly, if you don't have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> papers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... you're going to be harassed," the president said. "That's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way to go." But since 1940, it has been a federal crime for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aliens to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fail
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to keep such registration documents with them:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_......
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Arizona law simply adds a state penalty to what was already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> federal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crime. Moreover, as anyone who has traveled abroad knows, other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nations have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> similar documentation requirements.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/29/opinion/29k...
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if not, then why not?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any State Law that mirrors Federal Law is unconstitutional and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> therefore must be eliminated immediately.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is what the Constitution says, anyway...
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -RFH
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So what about murder n shit?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I remember when I was a child in Venezuela, my brother and I used
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> commented that in the US murder is not a Federal crime (unless the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> victim is a Federal employee, such as JFK) but opening a letter is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the fugitive crosses borders, it becomes federal.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Right. So the state has no jurisdiction or authority to arrest
>>>>>>>>>>>> someone for murdering the president?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is like I try to wash your car without your permission. I (the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> state) can wash your car, but only if I follow your (Federal)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> policies, instructions, directives, etc., to the letter.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Feds (ICE) have decided that the real big problem is the crime
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (specially drugs) and they are focusing on hard criminals, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> worrying so much about a worker who may be mother of an American
>>>>>>>>>>>>> citizen.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, would prefer that ALL undocumented are prosecuted. For
>>>>>>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>>>>>> worker that ICE captures, a hard criminal goes free - Which is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> perfect
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the Arizona white supremacists that are in control of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> government: they kill 2 birds with one stone.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been a few weeks since I read the law. Does it include
>>>>>>>>>>>> prosecuting them or detaining them? I don't remember anything about
>>>>>>>>>>>> prosecuting them.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No, the law calls for them to be turned over to ICE and the
>>>>>>>>>>> administration
>>>>>>>>>>> has threatened not to take them. That's just how out of control the
>>>>>>>>>>> fuckers
>>>>>>>>>>> are.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When the Feds lose the AZ lawsuits,
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Unless they get a liberal judge. The actual law means nothing to them.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ICE will accept, through the front door, those who are remanded by
>>>>>>>>>>> the AZ
>>>>>>>>>>> police and funnel them all out the back door.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, with citizenship papers and full voting rights no doubt. Next
>>>>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>>>>> they will do is lend voting rights to felons and put voting machines
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> prisons on election day.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The lawsuits are a sham and are intended to galvanize the liberal
>>>>>>>>>>> base.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> And garner the Hispanic vote. To hell with the law.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Obama and Emmanuel are simply trying to convince leftists they are
>>>>>>>>>>> tough
>>>>>>>>>>> on conservatives.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The truth of the matter is Obama and Holder have zero intention of
>>>>>>>>>>> enforcing Federal Immigration laws. When this can be substantiated by
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> actions of ICE, it is at that point the country has a good chance of
>>>>>>>>>>> impeaching this fool for high crimes and misdemeanors.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, but descending on Washington with pitchforks and torches to tar
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> feather them and run them out on a rail would be way more fun.
>>
>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I don't see much fun in all this turmoil or in violence. It
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> be far more preferable to find a way to reach reasonable compromises
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> work together for the good of the western world.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>>>>>>> You're a dreamer. This regime is ALL ABOUT fundamental transformation
>>>>>>>> of America at any cost. Most people that didn't want to belive a
>>>>>>>> smooth talking car salesman/community organiser actually meant what he
>>>>>>>> said when he told us he wanted to "spread the wealth and fundamentally
>>>>>>>> transform America". The guy is dangerous and should never have been in
>>>>>>>> Washington D.C to VISIT the Whitehouse much less take up residence
>>>>>>>> there. Elections do have consequences.
>>
>>>>>>> So, what is your solution? Violence and assassination?- Hide quoted
>>>>>>> text -
>>
>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>>>>> You're the one that used the word "assassination". I prefer dragging
>>>>>> the corrupt SOB's out of their beds in the middle of the night,running
>>>>>> them down the street buck nekkid while poking them in the arse with a
>>>>>> pitchfork,dipping them in hot tar,rolling them in feathers,riding them
>>>>>> out of town on a rail and telling them to never come back !! I frankly
>>>>>> don't want my country and the country my grandkids will grow up in
>>>>>> totally transformed by a bunch of corrupt Chicago thug/progressive
>>>>>> racists.
>>
>>>>>> Intelligently phrased words are far more effective, are admired by far
>>>>>> more people and are far more all encompassing than thuggery.
>>
>>>>>> All you accomplish with political violence is to create martyrs which
>>>>>> become a clarion call for the ideology of the martyr.
>>
>>>>>> Use your brain and not your brawn. For the sake of conservatives
>>>>>> everywhere, let go of the fringe hate and just defeat them with logic and
>>>>>> charisma.
>>
>>>>> We already did but they're ramming their agenda down our throats anyway.
>>
>>>>> Or haven't you noticed?
>>
>>>> Oh crimminy, haven't you noticed that all politics are cyclical. Nothing
>>>> is being done which can't be undone.
>>
>>> how many years did it take to undo the Soviet Union?
>>
>> In the grand scheme of things, the Soviet Union did not last very long,
>> what, about 73 years or so. One lifetime.
>
> I can't believe you could even begin to make that statement, one day
> was to long!! tell that to the millions who died or were killed during
> the purges.

You asked how long. I answered you. In the grand scheme of human
empires, it was an abysmal failure which did not last very long.

There is nothing about the USSR you will ever get me to defend.

I assume you are trying to draw comparisons between the Obama
administration and the USSR? That is your prerogative, however I see
little similarity.

Conservatives lost the last election, instead of pouting and pissing in
the wind, just work on winning the next one. Virtually everything Obama
does can be undone.

You guys are such drama kings.

Eddie Haskell

7/13/2010 10:11:00 PM

"Brian Wraith" <brianwraith@newzealand.invalid> wrote in message
news:i1io14$4f3$1@news.eternal-september.org...
On 7/13/2010 2:59 PM, President Soetoro wrote:
> On Jul 13, 4:54 pm, Brian Wraith<brianwra...@newzealand.invalid>
> wrote:
>> On 7/13/2010 2:44 PM, President Soetoro wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 13, 2:51 pm, Brian Wraith<brianwra...@newzealand.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 7/13/2010 12:42 PM, Eddie Haskell wrote:
>>
>>>>> "Brian Wraith"<brianwra...@newzealand.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:i1ieer$fna$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> On 7/13/2010 11:59 AM, The PHANTOM wrote:
>>>>>> On Jul 13, 1:10 pm, Brian Wraith<brianwra...@newzealand.invalid>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/13/2010 10:59 AM, The PHANTOM wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 11:28 am, Brian Wraith<brianwra...@newzealand.invalid>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/13/2010 8:47 AM, Eddie Haskell wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Brian Wraith"<brianwra...@newzealand.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>> news:i1i0dh$lki$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/13/2010 8:17 AM, Eddie Haskell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "lab~rat>:-)"<ch...@cheeze.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:3mvo36pdklj908i6kj39kg4g03pbnntrsp@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:45:22 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
>>>>>>>>>>>> <gopos...@jonjay.com> puked:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 9:29 am, "lab~rat>:-)"<ch...@cheeze.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:06:31 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <gopos...@jonjay.com> puked:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 8:53?am, "vict0r"<l...@oocom.netb>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is true that the Arizona law makes it a misdemeanor for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alien
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to fail
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to carry certain documents. "Now, suddenly, if you don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> papers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... you're going to be harassed," the president said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "That's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way to go." But since 1940, it has been a federal crime for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aliens to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fail
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to keep such registration documents with them:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_......
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Arizona law simply adds a state penalty to what was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> federal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crime. Moreover, as anyone who has traveled abroad knows,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nations have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> similar documentation requirements.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/29/opinion/29k...
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if not, then why not?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any State Law that mirrors Federal Law is unconstitutional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> therefore must be eliminated immediately.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is what the Constitution says, anyway...
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -RFH
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So what about murder n shit?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I remember when I was a child in Venezuela, my brother and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> commented that in the US murder is not a Federal crime (unless
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> victim is a Federal employee, such as JFK) but opening a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> letter is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the fugitive crosses borders, it becomes federal.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Right. So the state has no jurisdiction or authority to arrest
>>>>>>>>>>>> someone for murdering the president?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is like I try to wash your car without your permission. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> state) can wash your car, but only if I follow your (Federal)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> policies, instructions, directives, etc., to the letter.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Feds (ICE) have decided that the real big problem is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> crime
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (specially drugs) and they are focusing on hard criminals, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> worrying so much about a worker who may be mother of an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> American
>>>>>>>>>>>>> citizen.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, would prefer that ALL undocumented are prosecuted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>>>>>> worker that ICE captures, a hard criminal goes free - Which is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> perfect
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the Arizona white supremacists that are in control of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> government: they kill 2 birds with one stone.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been a few weeks since I read the law. Does it include
>>>>>>>>>>>> prosecuting them or detaining them? I don't remember anything
>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>> prosecuting them.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No, the law calls for them to be turned over to ICE and the
>>>>>>>>>>> administration
>>>>>>>>>>> has threatened not to take them. That's just how out of control
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> fuckers
>>>>>>>>>>> are.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When the Feds lose the AZ lawsuits,
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Unless they get a liberal judge. The actual law means nothing to
>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ICE will accept, through the front door, those who are remanded
>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>> the AZ
>>>>>>>>>>> police and funnel them all out the back door.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, with citizenship papers and full voting rights no doubt.
>>>>>>>>>> Next
>>>>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>>>>> they will do is lend voting rights to felons and put voting
>>>>>>>>>> machines
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> prisons on election day.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The lawsuits are a sham and are intended to galvanize the
>>>>>>>>>>> liberal
>>>>>>>>>>> base.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> And garner the Hispanic vote. To hell with the law.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Obama and Emmanuel are simply trying to convince leftists they
>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>> tough
>>>>>>>>>>> on conservatives.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The truth of the matter is Obama and Holder have zero intention
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> enforcing Federal Immigration laws. When this can be
>>>>>>>>>>> substantiated by
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> actions of ICE, it is at that point the country has a good
>>>>>>>>>>> chance of
>>>>>>>>>>> impeaching this fool for high crimes and misdemeanors.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, but descending on Washington with pitchforks and torches to
>>>>>>>>>> tar
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> feather them and run them out on a rail would be way more fun.
>>
>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I don't see much fun in all this turmoil or in violence. It
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> be far more preferable to find a way to reach reasonable
>>>>>>>>> compromises
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> work together for the good of the western world.- Hide quoted
>>>>>>>>> text -
>>
>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>>>>>>> You're a dreamer. This regime is ALL ABOUT fundamental
>>>>>>>> transformation
>>>>>>>> of America at any cost. Most people that didn't want to belive a
>>>>>>>> smooth talking car salesman/community organiser actually meant what
>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>> said when he told us he wanted to "spread the wealth and
>>>>>>>> fundamentally
>>>>>>>> transform America". The guy is dangerous and should never have been
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> Washington D.C to VISIT the Whitehouse much less take up residence
>>>>>>>> there. Elections do have consequences.
>>
>>>>>>> So, what is your solution? Violence and assassination?- Hide quoted
>>>>>>> text -
>>
>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>>>>> You're the one that used the word "assassination". I prefer dragging
>>>>>> the corrupt SOB's out of their beds in the middle of the
>>>>>> night,running
>>>>>> them down the street buck nekkid while poking them in the arse with a
>>>>>> pitchfork,dipping them in hot tar,rolling them in feathers,riding
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> out of town on a rail and telling them to never come back !! I
>>>>>> frankly
>>>>>> don't want my country and the country my grandkids will grow up in
>>>>>> totally transformed by a bunch of corrupt Chicago thug/progressive
>>>>>> racists.
>>
>>>>>> Intelligently phrased words are far more effective, are admired by
>>>>>> far
>>>>>> more people and are far more all encompassing than thuggery.
>>
>>>>>> All you accomplish with political violence is to create martyrs which
>>>>>> become a clarion call for the ideology of the martyr.
>>
>>>>>> Use your brain and not your brawn. For the sake of conservatives
>>>>>> everywhere, let go of the fringe hate and just defeat them with logic
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> charisma.
>>
>>>>> We already did but they're ramming their agenda down our throats
>>>>> anyway.
>>
>>>>> Or haven't you noticed?
>>
>>>> Oh crimminy, haven't you noticed that all politics are cyclical.
>>>> Nothing
>>>> is being done which can't be undone.
>>
>>> how many years did it take to undo the Soviet Union?
>>
>> In the grand scheme of things, the Soviet Union did not last very long,
>> what, about 73 years or so. One lifetime.
>
> I can't believe you could even begin to make that statement, one day
> was to long!! tell that to the millions who died or were killed during
> the purges.

> You asked how long. I answered you. In the grand scheme of human empires,
> it was an abysmal failure which did not last very long.

> There is nothing about the USSR you will ever get me to defend.

> I assume you are trying to draw comparisons between the Obama
> administration and the USSR? That is your prerogative, however I see
> little similarity.

> Conservatives lost the last election, instead of pouting and pissing in
> the wind, just work on winning the next one. Virtually everything Obama
> does can be undone.

Name one government entitlement program that was ever gotten rid of.

> You guys are such drama kings.

And you are naive as a child.

-Eddie Haskell

ayatollah obama

7/13/2010 10:47:00 PM

On Jul 13, 5:44 pm, President Soetoro
<osama.obabma.by.anyn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 13, 5:11 pm, "Eddie Haskell" <io...@ddvtt.com> wrote:

NASA is an entitlement program according the the uberlib socialists.
Anything that furthers the advancement of science is toast with "wimp-
n-chief" in charge.

The PHANTOM

7/14/2010 12:24:00 AM

On Jul 13, 2:51 pm, Brian Wraith <brianwra...@newzealand.invalid>
wrote:
> On 7/13/2010 12:42 PM, Eddie Haskell wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Brian Wraith"<brianwra...@newzealand.invalid> wrote in message
> >news:i1ieer$fna$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> > On 7/13/2010 11:59 AM, The PHANTOM wrote:
> >> On Jul 13, 1:10 pm, Brian Wraith<brianwra...@newzealand.invalid>
> >> wrote:
> >>> On 7/13/2010 10:59 AM, The PHANTOM wrote:
>
> >>>> On Jul 13, 11:28 am, Brian Wraith<brianwra...@newzealand.invalid>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> On 7/13/2010 8:47 AM, Eddie Haskell wrote:
>
> >>>>>> "Brian Wraith"<brianwra...@newzealand.invalid> wrote in message
> >>>>>>news:i1i0dh$lki$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> >>>>>> On 7/13/2010 8:17 AM, Eddie Haskell wrote:
> >>>>>>> "lab~rat>:-)"<ch...@cheeze.net> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>news:3mvo36pdklj908i6kj39kg4g03pbnntrsp@4ax.com...
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:45:22 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
> >>>>>>>> <gopos...@jonjay.com> puked:
>
> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 9:29 am, "lab~rat>:-)"<ch...@cheeze.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:06:31 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
> >>>>>>>>>> <gopos...@jonjay.com> puked:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 8:53æam, "vict0r"<l...@oocom.netb> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> It is true that the Arizona law makes it a misdemeanor for an
> >>>>>>>>>>>> alien
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to fail
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to carry certain documents. "Now, suddenly, if you don't have
> >>>>>>>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>>>>>> papers
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ... you're going to be harassed," the president said. "That's
> >>>>>>>>>>>> not the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> right
> >>>>>>>>>>>> way to go." But since 1940, it has been a federal crime for
> >>>>>>>>>>>> aliens to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> fail
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to keep such registration documents with them:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_......
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The Arizona law simply adds a state penalty to what was already
> >>>>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> federal
> >>>>>>>>>>>> crime. Moreover, as anyone who has traveled abroad knows, other
> >>>>>>>>>>>> nations have
> >>>>>>>>>>>> similar documentation requirements.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/29/opinion/29k...
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and if not, then why not?
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Any State Law that mirrors Federal Law is unconstitutional and
> >>>>>>>>>>> therefore must be eliminated immediately.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> That is what the Constitution says, anyway...
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> -RFH
>
> >>>>>>>>>> So what about murder n shit?
>
> >>>>>>>>> I remember when I was a child in Venezuela, my brother and I used
> >>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>> commented that in the US murder is not a Federal crime (unless the
> >>>>>>>>> victim is a Federal employee, such as JFK) but opening a letter is.
> >>>>>>>>> If
> >>>>>>>>> the fugitive crosses borders, it becomes federal.
>
> >>>>>>>> Right. So the state has no jurisdiction or authority to arrest
> >>>>>>>> someone for murdering the president?
>
> >>>>>>>>> It is like I try to wash your car without your permission. I (the
> >>>>>>>>> state) can wash your car, but only if I follow your (Federal)
> >>>>>>>>> policies, instructions, directives, etc., to the letter.
>
> >>>>>>>>> The Feds (ICE) have decided that the real big problem is the crime
> >>>>>>>>> (specially drugs) and they are focusing on hard criminals, not
> >>>>>>>>> worrying so much about a worker who may be mother of an American
> >>>>>>>>> citizen.
>
> >>>>>>>>> Arizona, would prefer that ALL undocumented are prosecuted. For
> >>>>>>>>> every
> >>>>>>>>> worker that ICE captures, a hard criminal goes free - Which is
> >>>>>>>>> perfect
> >>>>>>>>> for the Arizona white supremacists that are in control of the
> >>>>>>>>> government: they kill 2 birds with one stone.
>
> >>>>>>>> It's been a few weeks since I read the law. Does it include
> >>>>>>>> prosecuting them or detaining them? I don't remember anything about
> >>>>>>>> prosecuting them.
>
> >>>>>>> No, the law calls for them to be turned over to ICE and the
> >>>>>>> administration
> >>>>>>> has threatened not to take them. That's just how out of control the
> >>>>>>> fuckers
> >>>>>>> are.
>
> >>>>>>> When the Feds lose the AZ lawsuits,
>
> >>>>>> Unless they get a liberal judge. The actual law means nothing to them.
>
> >>>>>>> ICE will accept, through the front door, those who are remanded by
> >>>>>>> the AZ
> >>>>>>> police and funnel them all out the back door.
>
> >>>>>> Yeah, with citizenship papers and full voting rights no doubt. Next
> >>>>>> thing
> >>>>>> they will do is lend voting rights to felons and put voting machines
> >>>>>> in
> >>>>>> prisons on election day.
>
> >>>>>>> The lawsuits are a sham and are intended to galvanize the liberal
> >>>>>>> base.
>
> >>>>>> And garner the Hispanic vote. To hell with the law.
>
> >>>>>>> Obama and Emmanuel are simply trying to convince leftists they are
> >>>>>>> tough
> >>>>>>> on conservatives.
>
> >>>>>>> The truth of the matter is Obama and Holder have zero intention of
> >>>>>>> enforcing Federal Immigration laws. When this can be substantiated by
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> actions of ICE, it is at that point the country has a good chance of
> >>>>>>> impeaching this fool for high crimes and misdemeanors.
>
> >>>>>> Yeah, but descending on Washington with pitchforks and torches to tar
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> feather them and run them out on a rail would be way more fun.
>
> >>>>> Sorry, I don't see much fun in all this turmoil or in violence. It
> >>>>> would
> >>>>> be far more preferable to find a way to reach reasonable compromises
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> work together for the good of the western world.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>>>> - Show quoted text -
>
> >>>> You're a dreamer. This regime is ALL ABOUT fundamental transformation
> >>>> of America at any cost. Most people that didn't want to belive a
> >>>> smooth talking car salesman/community organiser actually meant what he
> >>>> said when he told us he wanted to "spread the wealth and fundamentally
> >>>> transform America". The guy is dangerous and should never have been in
> >>>> Washington D.C to VISIT the Whitehouse much less take up residence
> >>>> there. Elections do have consequences.
>
> >>> So, what is your solution? Violence and assassination?- Hide quoted
> >>> text -
>
> >>> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> You're the one that used the word "assassination". I prefer dragging
> >> the corrupt SOB's out of their beds in the middle of the night,running
> >> them down the street buck nekkid while poking them in the arse with a
> >> pitchfork,dipping them in hot tar,rolling them in feathers,riding them
> >> out of town on a rail and telling them to never come back !! I frankly
> >> don't want my country and the country my grandkids will grow up in
> >> totally transformed by a bunch of corrupt Chicago thug/progressive
> >> racists.
>
> >> Intelligently phrased words are far more effective, are admired by far
> >> more people and are far more all encompassing than thuggery.
>
> >> All you accomplish with political violence is to create martyrs which
> >> become a clarion call for the ideology of the martyr.
>
> >> Use your brain and not your brawn. For the sake of conservatives
> >> everywhere, let go of the fringe hate and just defeat them with logic and
> >> charisma.
>
> > We already did but they're ramming their agenda down our throats anyway.
>
> > Or haven't you noticed?
>
> Oh crimminy, haven't you noticed that all politics are cyclical. Nothing
> is being done which can't be undone.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Ya' think?? Just out of curiosity. How old are you??

The PHANTOM

7/14/2010 12:29:00 AM

On Jul 13, 4:54 pm, Brian Wraith <brianwra...@newzealand.invalid>
wrote:
> On 7/13/2010 2:44 PM, President Soetoro wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 13, 2:51 pm, Brian Wraith<brianwra...@newzealand.invalid>
> > wrote:
> >> On 7/13/2010 12:42 PM, Eddie Haskell wrote:
>
> >>> "Brian Wraith"<brianwra...@newzealand.invalid> wrote in message
> >>>news:i1ieer$fna$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> >>> On 7/13/2010 11:59 AM, The PHANTOM wrote:
> >>>> On Jul 13, 1:10 pm, Brian Wraith<brianwra...@newzealand.invalid>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> On 7/13/2010 10:59 AM, The PHANTOM wrote:
>
> >>>>>> On Jul 13, 11:28 am, Brian Wraith<brianwra...@newzealand.invalid>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 7/13/2010 8:47 AM, Eddie Haskell wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>> "Brian Wraith"<brianwra...@newzealand.invalid> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>news:i1i0dh$lki$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> >>>>>>>> On 7/13/2010 8:17 AM, Eddie Haskell wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> "lab~rat>:-)"<ch...@cheeze.net> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>>news:3mvo36pdklj908i6kj39kg4g03pbnntrsp@4ax.com...
> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:45:22 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
> >>>>>>>>>> <gopos...@jonjay.com> puked:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 9:29 am, "lab~rat>:-)"<ch...@cheeze.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:06:31 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <gopos...@jonjay.com> puked:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 8:53æam, "vict0r"<l...@oocom.netb> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is true that the Arizona law makes it a misdemeanor for an
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> alien
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to fail
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to carry certain documents. "Now, suddenly, if you don't have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> papers
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... you're going to be harassed," the president said. "That's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> right
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> way to go." But since 1940, it has been a federal crime for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> aliens to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fail
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to keep such registration documents with them:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_......
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Arizona law simply adds a state penalty to what was already
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> federal
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> crime. Moreover, as anyone who has traveled abroad knows, other
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nations have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> similar documentation requirements.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/29/opinion/29k...
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if not, then why not?
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Any State Law that mirrors Federal Law is unconstitutional and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> therefore must be eliminated immediately.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That is what the Constitution says, anyway...
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -RFH
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> So what about murder n shit?
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I remember when I was a child in Venezuela, my brother and I used
> >>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>> commented that in the US murder is not a Federal crime (unless the
> >>>>>>>>>>> victim is a Federal employee, such as JFK) but opening a letter is.
> >>>>>>>>>>> If
> >>>>>>>>>>> the fugitive crosses borders, it becomes federal.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Right. So the state has no jurisdiction or authority to arrest
> >>>>>>>>>> someone for murdering the president?
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> It is like I try to wash your car without your permission. I (the
> >>>>>>>>>>> state) can wash your car, but only if I follow your (Federal)
> >>>>>>>>>>> policies, instructions, directives, etc., to the letter.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> The Feds (ICE) have decided that the real big problem is the crime
> >>>>>>>>>>> (specially drugs) and they are focusing on hard criminals, not
> >>>>>>>>>>> worrying so much about a worker who may be mother of an American
> >>>>>>>>>>> citizen.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, would prefer that ALL undocumented are prosecuted. For
> >>>>>>>>>>> every
> >>>>>>>>>>> worker that ICE captures, a hard criminal goes free - Which is
> >>>>>>>>>>> perfect
> >>>>>>>>>>> for the Arizona white supremacists that are in control of the
> >>>>>>>>>>> government: they kill 2 birds with one stone.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> It's been a few weeks since I read the law. Does it include
> >>>>>>>>>> prosecuting them or detaining them? I don't remember anything about
> >>>>>>>>>> prosecuting them.
>
> >>>>>>>>> No, the law calls for them to be turned over to ICE and the
> >>>>>>>>> administration
> >>>>>>>>> has threatened not to take them. That's just how out of control the
> >>>>>>>>> fuckers
> >>>>>>>>> are.
>
> >>>>>>>>> When the Feds lose the AZ lawsuits,
>
> >>>>>>>> Unless they get a liberal judge. The actual law means nothing to them.
>
> >>>>>>>>> ICE will accept, through the front door, those who are remanded by
> >>>>>>>>> the AZ
> >>>>>>>>> police and funnel them all out the back door.
>
> >>>>>>>> Yeah, with citizenship papers and full voting rights no doubt. Next
> >>>>>>>> thing
> >>>>>>>> they will do is lend voting rights to felons and put voting machines
> >>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>> prisons on election day.
>
> >>>>>>>>> The lawsuits are a sham and are intended to galvanize the liberal
> >>>>>>>>> base.
>
> >>>>>>>> And garner the Hispanic vote. To hell with the law.
>
> >>>>>>>>> Obama and Emmanuel are simply trying to convince leftists they are
> >>>>>>>>> tough
> >>>>>>>>> on conservatives.
>
> >>>>>>>>> The truth of the matter is Obama and Holder have zero intention of
> >>>>>>>>> enforcing Federal Immigration laws. When this can be substantiated by
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> actions of ICE, it is at that point the country has a good chance of
> >>>>>>>>> impeaching this fool for high crimes and misdemeanors.
>
> >>>>>>>> Yeah, but descending on Washington with pitchforks and torches to tar
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> feather them and run them out on a rail would be way more fun.
>
> >>>>>>> Sorry, I don't see much fun in all this turmoil or in violence. It
> >>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>> be far more preferable to find a way to reach reasonable compromises
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> work together for the good of the western world.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>
> >>>>>> You're a dreamer. This regime is ALL ABOUT fundamental transformation
> >>>>>> of America at any cost. Most people that didn't want to belive a
> >>>>>> smooth talking car salesman/community organiser actually meant what he
> >>>>>> said when he told us he wanted to "spread the wealth and fundamentally
> >>>>>> transform America". The guy is dangerous and should never have been in
> >>>>>> Washington D.C to VISIT the Whitehouse much less take up residence
> >>>>>> there. Elections do have consequences.
>
> >>>>> So, what is your solution? Violence and assassination?- Hide quoted
> >>>>> text -
>
> >>>>> - Show quoted text -
>
> >>>> You're the one that used the word "assassination". I prefer dragging
> >>>> the corrupt SOB's out of their beds in the middle of the night,running
> >>>> them down the street buck nekkid while poking them in the arse with a
> >>>> pitchfork,dipping them in hot tar,rolling them in feathers,riding them
> >>>> out of town on a rail and telling them to never come back !! I frankly
> >>>> don't want my country and the country my grandkids will grow up in
> >>>> totally transformed by a bunch of corrupt Chicago thug/progressive
> >>>> racists.
>
> >>>> Intelligently phrased words are far more effective, are admired by far
> >>>> more people and are far more all encompassing than thuggery.
>
> >>>> All you accomplish with political violence is to create martyrs which
> >>>> become a clarion call for the ideology of the martyr.
>
> >>>> Use your brain and not your brawn. For the sake of conservatives
> >>>> everywhere, let go of the fringe hate and just defeat them with logic and
> >>>> charisma.
>
> >>> We already did but they're ramming their agenda down our throats anyway.
>
> >>> Or haven't you noticed?
>
> >> Oh crimminy, haven't you noticed that all politics are cyclical. Nothing
> >> is being done which can't be undone.
>
> > how many years did it take to undo the Soviet Union?
>
> In the grand scheme of things, the Soviet Union did not last very long,
> what, about 73 years or so. One lifetime.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

But,they're making a comeback.

Brian Wraith

7/14/2010 12:38:00 AM

On 7/13/2010 5:24 PM, The PHANTOM wrote:
> On Jul 13, 2:51 pm, Brian Wraith<brianwra...@newzealand.invalid>
> wrote:
>> On 7/13/2010 12:42 PM, Eddie Haskell wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> "Brian Wraith"<brianwra...@newzealand.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:i1ieer$fna$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> On 7/13/2010 11:59 AM, The PHANTOM wrote:
>>>> On Jul 13, 1:10 pm, Brian Wraith<brianwra...@newzealand.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On 7/13/2010 10:59 AM, The PHANTOM wrote:
>>
>>>>>> On Jul 13, 11:28 am, Brian Wraith<brianwra...@newzealand.invalid>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/13/2010 8:47 AM, Eddie Haskell wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> "Brian Wraith"<brianwra...@newzealand.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:i1i0dh$lki$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>> On 7/13/2010 8:17 AM, Eddie Haskell wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "lab~rat>:-)"<ch...@cheeze.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:3mvo36pdklj908i6kj39kg4g03pbnntrsp@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:45:22 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
>>>>>>>>>> <gopos...@jonjay.com> puked:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 9:29 am, "lab~rat>:-)"<ch...@cheeze.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:06:31 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
>>>>>>>>>>>> <gopos...@jonjay.com> puked:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 8:53æam, "vict0r"<l...@oocom.netb> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is true that the Arizona law makes it a misdemeanor for an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alien
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to fail
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to carry certain documents. "Now, suddenly, if you don't have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> papers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... you're going to be harassed," the president said. "That's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way to go." But since 1940, it has been a federal crime for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aliens to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fail
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to keep such registration documents with them:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_......
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Arizona law simply adds a state penalty to what was already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> federal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crime. Moreover, as anyone who has traveled abroad knows, other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nations have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> similar documentation requirements.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/29/opinion/29k...
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if not, then why not?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any State Law that mirrors Federal Law is unconstitutional and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> therefore must be eliminated immediately.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is what the Constitution says, anyway...
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -RFH
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So what about murder n shit?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I remember when I was a child in Venezuela, my brother and I used
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> commented that in the US murder is not a Federal crime (unless the
>>>>>>>>>>> victim is a Federal employee, such as JFK) but opening a letter is.
>>>>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>>>> the fugitive crosses borders, it becomes federal.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Right. So the state has no jurisdiction or authority to arrest
>>>>>>>>>> someone for murdering the president?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It is like I try to wash your car without your permission. I (the
>>>>>>>>>>> state) can wash your car, but only if I follow your (Federal)
>>>>>>>>>>> policies, instructions, directives, etc., to the letter.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Feds (ICE) have decided that the real big problem is the crime
>>>>>>>>>>> (specially drugs) and they are focusing on hard criminals, not
>>>>>>>>>>> worrying so much about a worker who may be mother of an American
>>>>>>>>>>> citizen.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, would prefer that ALL undocumented are prosecuted. For
>>>>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>>>> worker that ICE captures, a hard criminal goes free - Which is
>>>>>>>>>>> perfect
>>>>>>>>>>> for the Arizona white supremacists that are in control of the
>>>>>>>>>>> government: they kill 2 birds with one stone.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's been a few weeks since I read the law. Does it include
>>>>>>>>>> prosecuting them or detaining them? I don't remember anything about
>>>>>>>>>> prosecuting them.
>>
>>>>>>>>> No, the law calls for them to be turned over to ICE and the
>>>>>>>>> administration
>>>>>>>>> has threatened not to take them. That's just how out of control the
>>>>>>>>> fuckers
>>>>>>>>> are.
>>
>>>>>>>>> When the Feds lose the AZ lawsuits,
>>
>>>>>>>> Unless they get a liberal judge. The actual law means nothing to them.
>>
>>>>>>>>> ICE will accept, through the front door, those who are remanded by
>>>>>>>>> the AZ
>>>>>>>>> police and funnel them all out the back door.
>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, with citizenship papers and full voting rights no doubt. Next
>>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>>> they will do is lend voting rights to felons and put voting machines
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> prisons on election day.
>>
>>>>>>>>> The lawsuits are a sham and are intended to galvanize the liberal
>>>>>>>>> base.
>>
>>>>>>>> And garner the Hispanic vote. To hell with the law.
>>
>>>>>>>>> Obama and Emmanuel are simply trying to convince leftists they are
>>>>>>>>> tough
>>>>>>>>> on conservatives.
>>
>>>>>>>>> The truth of the matter is Obama and Holder have zero intention of
>>>>>>>>> enforcing Federal Immigration laws. When this can be substantiated by
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> actions of ICE, it is at that point the country has a good chance of
>>>>>>>>> impeaching this fool for high crimes and misdemeanors.
>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, but descending on Washington with pitchforks and torches to tar
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> feather them and run them out on a rail would be way more fun.
>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, I don't see much fun in all this turmoil or in violence. It
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> be far more preferable to find a way to reach reasonable compromises
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> work together for the good of the western world.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>>>>> You're a dreamer. This regime is ALL ABOUT fundamental transformation
>>>>>> of America at any cost. Most people that didn't want to belive a
>>>>>> smooth talking car salesman/community organiser actually meant what he
>>>>>> said when he told us he wanted to "spread the wealth and fundamentally
>>>>>> transform America". The guy is dangerous and should never have been in
>>>>>> Washington D.C to VISIT the Whitehouse much less take up residence
>>>>>> there. Elections do have consequences.
>>
>>>>> So, what is your solution? Violence and assassination?- Hide quoted
>>>>> text -
>>
>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>>> You're the one that used the word "assassination". I prefer dragging
>>>> the corrupt SOB's out of their beds in the middle of the night,running
>>>> them down the street buck nekkid while poking them in the arse with a
>>>> pitchfork,dipping them in hot tar,rolling them in feathers,riding them
>>>> out of town on a rail and telling them to never come back !! I frankly
>>>> don't want my country and the country my grandkids will grow up in
>>>> totally transformed by a bunch of corrupt Chicago thug/progressive
>>>> racists.
>>
>>>> Intelligently phrased words are far more effective, are admired by far
>>>> more people and are far more all encompassing than thuggery.
>>
>>>> All you accomplish with political violence is to create martyrs which
>>>> become a clarion call for the ideology of the martyr.
>>
>>>> Use your brain and not your brawn. For the sake of conservatives
>>>> everywhere, let go of the fringe hate and just defeat them with logic and
>>>> charisma.
>>
>>> We already did but they're ramming their agenda down our throats anyway.
>>
>>> Or haven't you noticed?
>>
>> Oh crimminy, haven't you noticed that all politics are cyclical. Nothing
>> is being done which can't be undone.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Ya' think?? Just out of curiosity. How old are you??

Why do you ask? How old are you?

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