Evelyn
3/16/2012 12:29:00 AM
On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 13:33:43 -0700 (PDT), maxwelton@my-deja.com wrote:
>On Mar 15, 3:01?pm, Evelyn <evelyn.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:39:28 -0700 (PDT), maxwel...@my-deja.com wrote:
>> >On Mar 14, 6:34?pm, Evelyn <evelyn.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 15:13:03 -0700, rumpelstiltskin
>>
>> >> <rumpelstilts...@x.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:25:20 -0400, Evelyn <evelyn.r...@gmail.com>
>> >> ><snip>
>>
>> >> >>Usenet has always been a bit of a shitfest. ? Either one can take it,
>> >> >>or one leaves. ? Frankly I sometimes enjoy it and sometimes not. ?I go
>> >> >>and come back as it suits me.
>>
>> >> >>Evelyn
>>
>> >> > ? I'm addicted, but fortunately I manage to keep it to
>> >> >this newsgroup. ?I did look back on alt.atheism a few
>> >> >days ago, but didn't see any familiar names from
>> >> >when I was posting there six or ten years ago
>> >> >Though I'm a devout supplicant of Athe, that group
>> >> >was too single-issue for me in the long run.
>>
>> >> I used to post there once in a while, but I left for pretty much the
>> >> same reason. ? As a Buddhist I do not have a central creator god type
>> >> icon in my belief system, but I am a ?spiritual minded individual in
>> >> the way that all Buddhists are. ? You don't need to believe in a god
>> >> to be a good person.
>>
>> >I have had several people ask me if I were a Buddhist,
>> >and I would ask why they thought I was a Buddhist.
>> >This usually occurred after I had given someone some
>> >input or related a story. Some thought I was a student
>> >of Zen and it actually got me interested in learning about
>> >those things. I discovered I had been contemplating
>> >(or meditating) about dharma for years. In my adult
>> >life I have rejected the idea or organized religion.
>> >But I do consider myself a Christian and I find many
>> >parallels between the teachings of Christ and what
>> >is taught in Buddhism, things like love, forgiveness,
>> >karma, balance, ying and yang, etc. Beyond
>> >any spoken language there exists another
>> >language and it transcends any distortion that
>> >spoken language may present.
>>
>> When I first became interested in Buddhism, I also remained a
>> christian. ? Eventually I realized that I was doing both religions a
>> disservice, in doing that. ? It is a bit more complex than I can
>> explain simply in a newsgroup posting, but I assure you that I
>> understand what you are saying and respect it.
>>
>> I still have respect for the basic message of Jesus, (if he ever
>> existed) and as he has been reported to be. ? But the teachings of
>> Paul and all the rest of it, and most especially the violence and
>> cruelty that has become a part of the Christian message is just simply
>> and plainly wrong on a human level.
>>
>> History bears me out from the Crusades to the Inquisition and the
>> witch and heretic burnings to the Pilgrims and the subjugation of
>> native populations wherever Christianity has spread its message.
>>
>> Christianity and the bible are far too easily distorted by those who
>> would use religion to justify their cruelty. ? Buddhism leaves no room
>> for that. ? If it harms others, it is wrong.
>
>I agree with what you are saying, but I really
>believe it has a lot to do with western culture.
>It accepts Christ but won't conform to the teachings
>of Christ. Much more cruelty existed in the west
>long before Christ brought his message. The
>difference now is that it is wrapped in the cross.
>We know about the violence and intolerance
>that exist today in the mideast between the
>Muslims and Jews.
>Compared to the people in the far east, Jews and
>Muslims are very similar and as you may know
>they share a common history. Christ happened
>to be born a Jew, but, it was as if Christ was a
>lone alien in a foreign land and it was hard for the
>people to understand his message and they
>decided they wanted him dead.
>
>>
>> Jesus died (presumably) after a few short years teaching during his
>> early 30's. ? Buddha lived well into his 80's leaving a vast body of
>> teachings and thousands of monks who learned from him directly, who
>> scrupulously passed the teachings on. ? I think he probably did a very
>> good job of weeding out the baloney.
>
>Far east culture seems so much older and somewhat
>advanced compared to the west. As
>you know Christianity has a lot of *blanks* in it. No one
>knows for instance where Jesus was from the time he
>was a boy until the time he returned at around the age
>of 30. Myself as well as others have wondered if he
>had ventured to the east. I understand that Buddhism
>had spread west into Afghanistan before the 6th century.
>Only fairly recently have the Buddhist statues been destroyed
>by the Taliban in Afghanistan. In those days people
>were so disconnected that no one knew what people
>a few hundred miles away were learning and doing.
>Another thing was no one knows about the culture
>of the magi that came from the east when Jesus
>was born. Following signs and looking for a newborn
>isn't too far removed from the Buddhist practice.
>I haven't heard of Jews or Muslims ever doing that.
>>
>> I have saved quite a lot of buddhist scriptural quotes which exemplify
>> how he straightened out mistaken views during his lifetime of
>> teaching.
>>
>> I also believe that one can achieve spiritual awakening from almost
>> any religion. ? They all reportedly have saints and wise men and women
>> who have struck others remarkably with their wisdom. ? It is a
>> personal journey and it isn't the color of the road or the sandals you
>> are wearing, but the journey itself and the effort made which
>> determines the result.
>>
>> Whether accurately or innaccurately, I believe that Buddhism is simply
>> the most direct and clearest road map for that result.
>>
>> Evelyn
Buddha lived about 500 years before Jesus, and his teachings had
spread quite a bit by then. There is a tradition that says Jesus
lived in India till he reached the age when he began to teach. There
is a temple in India that is dedicated to him.
Evelyn