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PHP vs. Ruby vs. Python (vs. Rails

Abraham Vionas

11/30/2004 3:20:00 PM

As I was falling asleep last night I was wondering about the differences in
terms of web development time and effort between PHP, Ruby, and Python. and
I found myself wondering how much effort the Rails framework saves me from.
Does anyone else out there have the experience to be able to compare these?
I'm partly curious because I've found it so difficult to get Rails going on
windows, while PHP was comparatively very easy. And Python I've just heard
is wonderful - i.e. "Google uses it". My curiousity with Rails is born out
of the fact that I've never used a scripting language for web development
and so have no clue how much any framework helps in terms of effort/time
saved.



I appreciate any light anyone can throw on this subject! :-)



Regards, Abe
14 Answers

Matt Lawrence

11/30/2004 3:27:00 PM

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Zach Dennis

11/30/2004 3:38:00 PM

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Abraham Vionas wrote:

> As I was falling asleep last night I was wondering about the differences in
> terms of web development time and effort between PHP, Ruby, and Python. and
> I found myself wondering how much effort the Rails framework saves me from.
> Does anyone else out there have the experience to be able to compare these?
> I'm partly curious because I've found it so difficult to get Rails going on
> windows, while PHP was comparatively very easy. And Python I've just heard
> is wonderful - i.e. "Google uses it". My curiousity with Rails is born out
> of the fact that I've never used a scripting language for web development
> and so have no clue how much any framework helps in terms of effort/time
> saved.
>
>
>
> I appreciate any light anyone can throw on this subject! :-)

I haven't used Python for any web projects, but I've used PHP
extensively in the past. PHP did well for small projects, but become
more of a chore as it grew larger. I have never used Ruby on Rails for a
web project, but I do use the Arrow framework for ruby.

http://www.rubycrafters.com/proje...

to get a description on it see:
http://www.rubycrafters.com/arrow-manual/w...

I love Arrow, and it's framework really gives a nice and clean design
element to web based projectsm, both small and large. (I said design
element, i haven't had a enterprise app I've been able to benchmark for
speed on)

I don't like PHP's syntax among other things, so I don't use it anymore.

When I learned Ruby, I attempted to learn Python to. And I decided that
I liked Ruby way more then I liked Python.

So I use Ruby!

Zach

Robert Klemme

11/30/2004 3:50:00 PM

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"Abraham Vionas" <abe_ml@bozemantechmedic.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:20041130152003.15A8733C20@beryllium.ruby-lang.org...
> As I was falling asleep last night I was wondering about the differences
in
> terms of web development time and effort between PHP, Ruby, and Python.
and
> I found myself wondering how much effort the Rails framework saves me
from.
> Does anyone else out there have the experience to be able to compare
these?
> I'm partly curious because I've found it so difficult to get Rails going
on
> windows, while PHP was comparatively very easy. And Python I've just
heard
> is wonderful - i.e. "Google uses it". My curiousity with Rails is born
out
> of the fact that I've never used a scripting language for web
development
> and so have no clue how much any framework helps in terms of effort/time
> saved.
>
> I appreciate any light anyone can throw on this subject! :-)

This sounds promising for Ruby vs. PHP - development time wise as well as
runtime wise:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=de&lr=&selm=20031201213101.GC18957%40sa...

Kind regards

robert

Yukihiro Matsumoto

11/30/2004 3:55:00 PM

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In message "Re: PHP vs. Ruby vs. Python (vs. Rails)"
on Wed, 1 Dec 2004 00:37:50 +0900, Zach Dennis <zdennis@mktec.com> writes:
|So I use Ruby!

Thank you!

matz.

walter

11/30/2004 4:05:00 PM

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Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

> In message "Re: PHP vs. Ruby vs. Python (vs. Rails)"
> on Wed, 1 Dec 2004 00:37:50 +0900, Zach Dennis <zdennis@mktec.com> writes:
> |So I use Ruby!
>
> Thank you!
>
> matz.
>

This one email speaks volumes about matz, and the ruby community as a whole.


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gabriele renzi

11/30/2004 5:04:00 PM

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Abraham Vionas ha scritto:

> I'm partly curious because I've found it so difficult to get Rails going on
> windows, while PHP was comparatively very easy.

I think this is a valuable note.
It would be really nice to have simple installer packages for windows
with, say, ruby/fcgi+mod_fcgi+apache+sqlite+rails, or apache+IOWA+mysql,
or Arrow+mod_ruby+GD. But probably with time this will happen.

There is no underliyng reason why installing mod_php+php+apache should
be easier than using ruby frameworks, except that nobody applied on
doing the same on our side yet :)

Tobias Luetke

11/30/2004 5:18:00 PM

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> I'm partly curious because I've found it so difficult to get Rails going on
> windows, while PHP was comparatively very easy.

Its not that hard, promised ;)

check out http://blog.leetsoft....

--
Tobi
http://blog.le...

Zach Dennis

11/30/2004 5:25:00 PM

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Tobias Luetke wrote:

>>I'm partly curious because I've found it so difficult to get Rails going on
>>windows, while PHP was comparatively very easy.

Arrow was not hard either, after I read the installation guide without
skipping over lines. ;)


> Its not that hard, promised ;)
>
> check out http://blog.leetsoft....

Ok, I will blog my Arrow installation efforts as well....more to come
this week.

Zach

gabriele renzi

11/30/2004 7:17:00 PM

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Tobias Luetke ha scritto:
>>I'm partly curious because I've found it so difficult to get Rails going on
>>windows, while PHP was comparatively very easy.
>
>
> Its not that hard, promised ;)
>
> check out http://blog.leetsoft....

btw, maybe we could make pressure on the xampp folks to put togheter a
rails (or arrow,iowa,whatever) addon ..

Gavin Sinclair

11/30/2004 10:59:00 PM

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On Wednesday, December 1, 2004, 2:20:04 AM, Abraham wrote:

> As I was falling asleep last night I was wondering about the differences in
> terms of web development time and effort between PHP, Ruby, and Python. and
> I found myself wondering how much effort the Rails framework saves me from.
> Does anyone else out there have the experience to be able to compare these?
> I'm partly curious because I've found it so difficult to get Rails going on
> windows, while PHP was comparatively very easy. And Python I've just heard
> is wonderful - i.e. "Google uses it". My curiousity with Rails is born out
> of the fact that I've never used a scripting language for web development
> and so have no clue how much any framework helps in terms of effort/time
> saved.

> I appreciate any light anyone can throw on this subject! :-)

The first bit of light is that Rails is not, in fact, difficult to get
working on Windows. There are videos linked from the Rails home page
[1] that go through the process, and they're easy to follow.

Cheers,
Gavin

[1] http://rubyonrails.org/Ra...