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Re: [ANN] Rubymine.org

Bradley, Todd

11/12/2004 5:03:00 PM

> I've released Rubymine, a place where rubyists can obtain
> great knowledge within time of working together. There have
> already been an article and a few announcements.
>
> http://www.ru...

Looks cool. But I'm so confused by the high number of
different-but-similar Ruby websites. It seems like there are lots of
websites, forums, email lists, etc. with somewhat overlapping purposes.
Maybe I'm being unrealistic, but it seems like a lot of duplication of
effort. Don't get me wrong - it's awesome that there's such a broad
support network for Ruby users, but it's hard to figure out where to go
for what.

From what I can tell, we have:

ruby-lang.org: news, documentation, some projects

Ruby Garden: blogs, wiki

Ruby Forge: software project home base...

but many Ruby projects seem to have their own websites too (Rails,
RubyXML, instiki)

Ruby Talk: email list

comp.lang.ruby: NNTP version of Ruby Talk (I think)

Ruby Mine: blogs, forums

Ruby Forum: more forums


Is this how it is nowadays with other small but popular languages? How
come so many people make their own place to post Ruby info, rather than
reusing what's already there?


Todd.



2 Answers

James Britt

11/12/2004 5:54:00 PM

0

Bradley, Todd wrote:
>> I've released Rubymine, a place where rubyists can obtain
>>great knowledge within time of working together. There have
>>already been an article and a few announcements.
>>
>>http://www.ru...
>
>
> Looks cool. But I'm so confused by the high number of
> different-but-similar Ruby websites. It seems like there are lots of
> websites, forums, email lists, etc. with somewhat overlapping purposes.
> Maybe I'm being unrealistic, but it seems like a lot of duplication of
> effort. Don't get me wrong - it's awesome that there's such a broad
> support network for Ruby users, but it's hard to figure out where to go
> for what.
>
>>From what I can tell, we have:
>
> ruby-lang.org: news, documentation, some projects

ruby-doc.org for documentation

:)

>
> Ruby Garden: blogs, wiki
>
> Ruby Forge: software project home base...
>
> but many Ruby projects seem to have their own websites too (Rails,
> RubyXML, instiki)
>
> Ruby Talk: email list
>
> comp.lang.ruby: NNTP version of Ruby Talk (I think)
>
> Ruby Mine: blogs, forums
>
> Ruby Forum: more forums
>
>
> Is this how it is nowadays with other small but popular languages? How
> come so many people make their own place to post Ruby info, rather than
> reusing what's already there?

Good question. I hope, in a few weeks, to have a version of
ruby-doc.org ready that makes resources (docs, articles, videos, what
have you) much easier to find, transparent to location of the actual
resource.

I don't think anyone wants to discourage people from getting involved,
running sites, promoting Ruby, and supporting the community. But there
can be issues of knowing where to find something, or, having found it,
knowing it is the most authoritative or up-to-date information.

RSS feeds help mitigate some of this, as do sites such as del.icio.us,
so that one can use an aggregator to just pull all this information
together. Sites or lists that provide forums, though, are a sticky
item, as people may have to bounce around to find out where to ask a
question or make an announcement.

As with software projects, there does seem to be a fair amount of
duplicate effort.

James
ruby-doc.org



Francis Hwang

11/13/2004 12:46:00 AM

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On Nov 12, 2004, at 12:53 PM, James Britt wrote:

> Bradley, Todd wrote:
>> Is this how it is nowadays with other small but popular languages?
>> How
>> come so many people make their own place to post Ruby info, rather
>> than
>> reusing what's already there?
>
> Good question. I hope, in a few weeks, to have a version of
> ruby-doc.org ready that makes resources (docs, articles, videos, what
> have you) much easier to find, transparent to location of the actual
> resource.
>
> I don't think anyone wants to discourage people from getting involved,
> running sites, promoting Ruby, and supporting the community. But
> there can be issues of knowing where to find something, or, having
> found it, knowing it is the most authoritative or up-to-date
> information.
>
> RSS feeds help mitigate some of this, as do sites such as del.icio.us,
> so that one can use an aggregator to just pull all this information
> together. Sites or lists that provide forums, though, are a sticky
> item, as people may have to bounce around to find out where to ask a
> question or make an announcement.
>
> As with software projects, there does seem to be a fair amount of
> duplicate effort.
>

True. In theory, you get lots of diversity for the price of having to
look more places. I like the fact that if you think Ruby site A has
stupid policies regarding whatever, you don't have to sit on the
sidelines and carp; you can jump in and try to do it better yourself.

RSS feeds (or syndication feeds, generally) are the glue that can help
pull this together. And the role of intermediary is quite useful in
this sort of a social ecosystem, too. If there's too much scattered
information, then some aspiring Ruby blogger could offer a regular blog
pointing out the best bits of content as they come down the pike.

More kinds of machine-parseable formats would help, too. I suspect that
DOAP, for example, will be quite helpful in gluing together open-source
communities in the near term: I'm personally thinking of making a DOAP
feeder site. (Except for those 200 other projects patiently waiting.)

F.