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Ruby and civil political discussion? (Re: [OT] US Presidential Election

Dave Burt

11/4/2004 1:42:00 AM

"David Morton" <mortonda@gmail.com> wrote:
> Nevertheless, as others have said, knowing someone else on this list
> is for Kerry doesn't change my opinion of them, and this list has
> earned my respect for being much more civil and intelligent than many
> other language or technology lists. Thank you all for that. :)

I'm _very_ impressed by the civility of this thread. It's almost as if
ruby-talk is real people, not just online hermits who cannot care about each
other by nature/. I seriously cannot recall any online political debate this
flameless.

Why? Is it something about Ruby? I feel sure, with the representation in
this thread of the list, there's a correlation to be made. Age? Are you guys
older than /.ers?

"Ruby: polite people's programming language of choice" ?

"Ruby: programming for people, not just geeks" ?


19 Answers

David Ross

11/4/2004 2:36:00 AM

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Dave Burt wrote:

>"David Morton" <mortonda@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Nevertheless, as others have said, knowing someone else on this list
>>is for Kerry doesn't change my opinion of them, and this list has
>>earned my respect for being much more civil and intelligent than many
>>other language or technology lists. Thank you all for that. :)
>>
>>
>
>I'm _very_ impressed by the civility of this thread. It's almost as if
>ruby-talk is real people, not just online hermits who cannot care about each
>other by nature/. I seriously cannot recall any online political debate this
>flameless.
>
>Why? Is it something about Ruby? I feel sure, with the representation in
>this thread of the list, there's a correlation to be made. Age? Are you guys
>older than /.ers?
>
>"Ruby: polite people's programming language of choice" ?
>
>"Ruby: programming for people, not just geeks" ?
>
>
>
>
>
>
you are right, its suprising. Even on newsgroups the slight mention of
politics, likenesses, etc would result in trolls or being called a troll.

+1 for R-T

David Ross
--
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Francis Hwang

11/4/2004 3:06:00 AM

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Well, one thing that helps is that the Ruby community is still quite
small. Many of the people who frequent this list are people that I've
been lucky enough to meet at RubyConf, which last time was only 60
people, keep in mind. So you have to be considerate when you talk about
something even heated like this. For one thing, you've met some of
these people before and you know they're probably alright people even
if their opinions are vastly different from yours. For another thing,
you'll probably see them again ;)

Of course, as the Ruby community grows, this dynamic will probably
change ...

F.

On Nov 3, 2004, at 8:48 PM, Dave Burt wrote:

> "David Morton" <mortonda@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Nevertheless, as others have said, knowing someone else on this list
>> is for Kerry doesn't change my opinion of them, and this list has
>> earned my respect for being much more civil and intelligent than many
>> other language or technology lists. Thank you all for that. :)
>
> I'm _very_ impressed by the civility of this thread. It's almost as if
> ruby-talk is real people, not just online hermits who cannot care
> about each
> other by nature/. I seriously cannot recall any online political
> debate this
> flameless.
>
> Why? Is it something about Ruby? I feel sure, with the representation
> in
> this thread of the list, there's a correlation to be made. Age? Are
> you guys
> older than /.ers?
>
> "Ruby: polite people's programming language of choice" ?
>
> "Ruby: programming for people, not just geeks" ?
>
>
>



gabriele renzi

11/4/2004 10:54:00 AM

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Dave Burt ha scritto:


> Why? Is it something about Ruby? I feel sure, with the representation in
> this thread of the list, there's a correlation to be made. Age? Are you guys
> older than /.ers?
> "Ruby: polite people's programming language of choice" ?
>
> "Ruby: programming for people, not just geeks" ?


Au contraire, we're so geeky that we save energy to burn huge flames on
incredibly little geeky problems :)
Seriously, the community almost completely is made of nice people.
"almost" is because of, well, you know, someone may have a bad day from
time to time.
Oh, and don't forget the #ruby-lang motto "please keep your language
clean" :)

Graham Nicholls

11/4/2004 11:40:00 AM

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David Ross wrote:

> Dave Burt wrote:
>
>>"David Morton" <mortonda@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Nevertheless, as others have said, knowing someone else on this list
>>>is for Kerry doesn't change my opinion of them, and this list has
>>>earned my respect for being much more civil and intelligent than many
>>>other language or technology lists. Thank you all for that. :)
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I'm _very_ impressed by the civility of this thread. It's almost as if
>>ruby-talk is real people, not just online hermits who cannot care about
>>each other by nature/. I seriously cannot recall any online political
>>debate this flameless.
>>
>>Why? Is it something about Ruby? I feel sure, with the representation in
>>this thread of the list, there's a correlation to be made. Age? Are you
>>guys older than /.ers?
>>
>>"Ruby: polite people's programming language of choice" ?
>>
>>"Ruby: programming for people, not just geeks" ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> you are right, its suprising. Even on newsgroups the slight mention of
> politics, likenesses, etc would result in trolls or being called a troll.
>
> +1 for R-T
>
> David Ross

Rubbish! You were all just wrong.

Mwa ha ha ha.

Oops getting carried away with maniacal laughter.

I have to admit I was worried when I saw the OP. But as you said, the
discussion was entirely amicable. I hope I can honestly say I dislike
republican_ism_ (on the whole), but not republic_ans_. Likewise tiries,
etc. Python programmers, on the other hand..... And as for those perl
scum...

Maybe Ruby is for grown-ups rather than children? I suspect that trollers &
flamers tend to be young and,sadly mostly male.


--
The answer's always "Yes". Now, what's the question?

Peter Hickman

11/4/2004 12:00:00 PM

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Actually the political *debate* came to RT very late. Other ML/NG have
been having various rants for quite a few weeks now.

Maybe Ruby programmers have better things to do?



Dave Burt

11/4/2004 2:11:00 PM

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"gabriele renzi" <rff_rff@remove-yahoo.it> ha scritto:
> "please keep your language clean" :)

Very good!


Tim Hunter

11/4/2004 3:28:00 PM

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On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 01:42:15 GMT, "Dave Burt" <burtdav@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
>I'm _very_ impressed by the civility of this thread. It's almost as if
>ruby-talk is real people, not just online hermits who cannot care about each
>other by nature/. I seriously cannot recall any online political debate this
>flameless.
>
>Why? Is it something about Ruby? I feel sure, with the representation in
>this thread of the list, there's a correlation to be made. Age? Are you guys
>older than /.ers?
>
>"Ruby: polite people's programming language of choice" ?
>
>"Ruby: programming for people, not just geeks" ?
>

In my experience a community adopts the customs of its leaders. In our
case, that'd be Matz.

Steven Jenkins

11/4/2004 6:18:00 PM

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Tim Hunter wrote:
> In my experience a community adopts the customs of its leaders.

Only if the community is small. There's not a nicer guy on the planet
than Larry Wall, but it's a stretch to imagine that thousands of Perl
programmers worldwide are affected by that, or even know it.

Steve



Tim Hunter

11/4/2004 8:59:00 PM

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On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 03:17:35 +0900, Steven Jenkins
<steven.jenkins@ieee.org> wrote:

>Tim Hunter wrote:
>> In my experience a community adopts the customs of its leaders.
>
>Only if the community is small. There's not a nicer guy on the planet
>than Larry Wall, but it's a stretch to imagine that thousands of Perl
>programmers worldwide are affected by that, or even know it.
>

You are of course correct. The example set by Matz will be attenuated
as the Ruby community grows. This is one of the reasons I have mixed
emotions about such growth.

Dave Burt

11/5/2004 3:32:00 AM

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"Graham Nicholls" <graham@rockcons._ns_co.uk(spam_filtered)> wrote
> Maybe Ruby is for grown-ups rather than children?

So the Guide spells doom for the community?
http://poignantguide.net/ruby/i/about.the.poignant.g...