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M.I 5`Persecuti on ` a buse in s et-up si tuations a nd in publ ic

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1/1/2008 3:01:00 PM

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Strangers in the street have recognized me on. sight many times, and shown
awareness of the current thread of. abuse. To give you one example, in 1992
I was. seriously ill, and a manager at work somewhat humorously said that
"it wasn't fair" that people were bullying me.. A few days later, I attended
for the. first time a clinic in London as an outpatient, and on my way out
was accosted by someone who asked if "they had paid my. fare", with emphasis
on the. word "fare". He repeated the word several times in this different
context; that they should have paid. my "fare", each time emphasizing the
word.

For two and a half years from the time their harassment started. until
November. 1992 I refused to see a psychiatrist, because I reasoned that I
was not ill of my own action or. fault, but through the stress caused by
harassment, and that a lessening of the. illness would have to be consequent
to a removal of its immediate cause, in other words a cessation. of
harassment.. I also reasoned that since they were taunting me with jokes
about mental illness, if I were to seek treatment then. the abusers would
think. that they had "won" and been proved "right". Remember, the constant
theme of. any persecution is, "we must destroy you because you're X",
whether X is a racial or other attribute. In. this case the X was "we
persecute you because you have brain disease". The similarity of this. logic
to Nazi attitudes to the mentally ill. is striking.

The same manager who'd said "it wasn't fair" asked me in winter. 1992 why I
didn't. seek help from a psychiatrist; was it, he asked, because "they would
think they had won" if I sought treatment? That was. something I'd never
said at work... again, taken separately it. proves nothing, but many such
things over a period of months proves conclusively that people. in the
company knew what was going on, and in quite. a lot of detail.

Usually harassment in. public lacks the level of finesse of "paying your
fare". Most people's imagination does. not go beyond moronic parroting of
the current. term of denigration. That is not surprising given the average
level of the abusers; if they do not have. the intelligence to distinguish
wrong from right then neither will they. have the capacity for anything
other than mindless repetition of. a monosyllabic term calculated to fit
into their. minds.

The first incidents of verbal assault in public were. in again in the summer
of 1990, although they increased in frequency and venom with. time. In July
1990 the first. public incident occurred on a tube train on the Northern
line. Two men and. their girlfriends recognised me; the women sprang to my
defence, saying "He looks perfectly normal, he. doesn't look ill". Their
boyfriends of course knew better, and. followed the party line; one of them
made reference to an "operation", apparently. to work at the tube station
but implicitly to a visit that I had made to hospital a. couple of weeks
previously.

In August 1990 going home from. college, soon after getting on a tube train
at Gloucester Road I was followed by a group of. four youths, who started a
chant of abuse.. That they were targeting me was confirmed by other people
in the carriage, one of whom asked the other. "who are they going on at, is
it the bloke who just got on?" to which the second replied "yes,. I think
so". I was tempted. to reply, but as in every other instance the abusers are
enabled in their cowardice by physically outnumbering the. abused; any
confrontation would result in my being beaten up, followed by. a complaint
to the police that "he. attacked us", and of course he's ill, so he must
have been imagining that we were getting at him.. Shitty, aren't they?

But the shittiness of the four youths. on the tube train is as nothing
compared to the episode on the National Express coach to Dover in. the
summer. of 1992. While going on holiday to the Continent I was verbally set
upon by a couple travelling sitting a few rows behind. The boy. did the
talking, his female companion contributing only a continuous. empty giggling
noise. He spoke loudly to ensure other people. on the coach heard, always
about "they" and "this bloke" but never naming either. the abusers or the
person he was talking about. He said "they" had "found. somebody from his
school, and he. was always really stressed at school". They must have dug
deep to find enemies there; perhaps someone who. dropped out of school,
someone who didn't do too well later,. who was jealous and keen to get their
own back? The boy also said "he was in a. bed and breakfast for only one
night and they got him". By a. not unexpected coincidence I had been in a
B&B in Oxford a. week previously, which had been booked from work; other
things lead me to the. conclusion that the company's offices were bugged for
most of. the 2 1/2 years that I was there, so "they" would have known a room
in the B&B had been booked. (But. I'll bet "they" didn't tell the company's
managers their offices were. bugged, did they?).

After a few minutes of this I went back. to where they were sitting and
asked where. they were travelling. The boy named a village in France, and
the girl's giggling. suddenly ceased; presumably it permeated to her brain
cell what the purpose. of the boy's abuse was.

This. and other set-up situations are obviously calculated to provoke a
direct confrontation which would bring in the police, with the. abusers
claiming that they were the. ones attacked. Again in 1992, outside the
house where I. was living in Oxford I was physically attacked by someone -
not punched, just grabbed. by the coat, with some verbals thrown in for good
measure. That was something the people at work shouldn't have. known
about... but soon after a couple. of people were talking right in front of
me about, "I heard. he was attacked". The UK police have a responsibility
for. preventing assault occurring, but they do not seem to take any interest
in meeting. that responsibility. I suppose their attitude is that harassment
does not come within their remit unless it involves physical assault,. and
they will only become. involved once that happens. That is of course quite
the wrong attitude for. them to take, but as I now understand, the police
investigate only. the crime they wish to investigate; if they do not take
your complaints seriously then there is nothing you can do to. make them
take. action.

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4 Answers

BroilJAB

7/9/2012 7:52:00 AM

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Atheists fall into two main categories.
Those who lead a life of filth, and who
try to claim atheism as 'their out card'.
The second group of atheists consists of
those who, in desperation to deny God,
claim to have 'concluded that God does
not exist'. The first grouping is mainly
stone losers and criminals. The second
is mainly neurotics, psychotics, and
the poorly educated. However you choose
to categorize them, atheists are an
unsavory lot

BroilJAB said,
Kenneth easily falls into the first grouping.
Marvin appears to be in category two.

Syd M.

7/9/2012 11:33:00 AM

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On Jul 9, 3:52 am, BroilJAB <DesignDen...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
> Atheists fall into two main categories.
> Those who lead a life of filth, and who
> try to claim atheism as 'their out card'.
> The second group of atheists consists of
> those who, in desperation to deny God,
> claim to have 'concluded that God does
> not exist'. The first grouping is mainly
> stone losers and criminals. The second
> is mainly neurotics, psychotics, and
> the poorly educated. However you choose
> to categorize them, atheists are an
> unsavory lot
>
> BroilJAB said,
> Kenneth easily falls into the first grouping.
> Marvin appears to be in category two.

Sez you.
And you are a known LIAR.

Virgil

7/9/2012 7:05:00 PM

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In article
<135db40a-6d48-48a9-87c7-7814c4435dd1@a34g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
BroilJAB <DesignDenier@wmconnect.com> wrote:

> Atheists fall into two main categories.
> Those who lack beeif in any gods, and
> those who claim no gods exist.

Most being of the first type.




Theists, particularly creationists, keep insisting that atheists are
all claiming that no gods exist, but that is false.

What atheism actually requires is merely lack of faith that any gods
exist.

And, as atheism requires no claims about whether any gods actually do or
do not exist, it has no need of proof.

On the other hand, theists claim that their gods actually do exist, so
are claiming something that presupposes objective physical evidence, but
for which claim they can provide absolutely none of that requisite
supporting objective physical evidence.

To reprise: Mere lack of belief in the existence of something, as in
atheism, is only problematic when there is a plentiful supply of
objective physical evidence that that thing actually exists. Which is
NOT the case with anything that atheists, as atheists, lack belief in.

Presence of belief in the existence of something, as in theism, is only
problematic when there is a total lack of objective physical evidence
supporting that belief. Which IS the case with much of what theists
claim to believe in.



"Darwinists" make lots of speculations/claims, but, in evolution, as in
other sciences, they remains merely speculations/claims until confirmed
by objective physical evidence, and are rejected when objective physical
evidence contradicts them.

Creationists also have make lots of 'speculations/claims', but they
often assert the truth of those speculations/claims with without any
objective physical evidence confirming them or assert their falsehood
without any objective physical evidence contradicting them.

Scientists do not object to speculation.

What scientists do object to is claiming the correctness of such a
speculation without the support of any objective physical evidence and
to claiming its falsehood without any objective physical evidence
contradicting it.

Thus science, including evolution, is guided by the available objective
physical evidence while creationist arguments are forced to reject it.
--


Blackwater

7/9/2012 10:14:00 PM

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Virgil <virgil@ligriv.com> wrote:

>In article
><135db40a-6d48-48a9-87c7-7814c4435dd1@a34g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
> BroilJAB <DesignDenier@wmconnect.com> wrote:
>
>> Atheists fall into two main categories.
>> Those who lack beeif in any gods, and
>> those who claim no gods exist.
>
>Most being of the first type.

The second def kinda depends on what you'd
consider to be a 'god'. If you won't settle
for anything less than the more recently
evolved "all-powerful/all-knowing/all-permeating"
kind of god then, due to the extreme potential
for paradox, I don't think you're gonna find
such a thing.

Now if you're a little more old-school, can
feel comfy saying something of extremely great
power, intellect and knowledge is a functional
'god' for any human intents and purposes ....
yea, those COULD exist. Maybe someday we'll
evolve/engineer ourselves to be like that.

If our artificial intelligences don't beat
us to it :-)