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James Britt

9/28/2004 4:29:00 AM

The rubygarden wiki has been over-run with spam links.

220.163.37.233 is one of the offending source IP addresss.

I fixed the home page, and then saw the extent of the crap. Looks like
many personal pages have been altered.

Those with user pages may want to go check their own page to assist with
the clean up.

James
44 Answers

David Ross

9/28/2004 4:40:00 AM

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You should create a way to generate images with text
verification. This would eliminate spam.

--dross

--- James Britt <jamesUNDERBARb@neurogami.com> wrote:

> The rubygarden wiki has been over-run with spam
> links.
>
> 220.163.37.233 is one of the offending source IP
> addresss.
>
> I fixed the home page, and then saw the extent of
> the crap. Looks like
> many personal pages have been altered.
>
> Those with user pages may want to go check their own
> page to assist with
> the clean up.
>
> James
>
>
>





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Robert McGovern

9/28/2004 9:05:00 AM

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> You should create a way to generate images with text
> verification. This would eliminate spam.

I think it would slow them down but it wouldn't eliminate them completely.

Austin Ziegler

9/28/2004 10:59:00 AM

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On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:39:59 +0900, David Ross <drossruby@yahoo.com> wrote:
> You should create a way to generate images with text
> verification. This would eliminate spam.

Captchas can generally be defeated by programs and violate usability
standards in any case unless there's a fallback -- which would likely
be able to be used by spammers to continue their process.

-austin
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David Ross

9/28/2004 11:30:00 AM

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Yes. Captcha analyzers would work on it, but only to
an extent. If you make it right to where it is so
mixed its not just text that will
squigle..*complicated) lines, to where it should be
able to confuse an AI. the squigly letters are a sign
of novice ;). I certainly don't use them. If I were to
make one it would be really confusing as to not look
like words or anything to an analyzer.

Wiki spam is ridiculous. Of course they are going to
keep doing it, considerations should have been thought
of before writing the Wiki software. security should
be the ultimate goal in any software because there
are nasty people out there that would exploit it.

--dross

--- Austin Ziegler <halostatue@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:39:59 +0900, David Ross
> <drossruby@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > You should create a way to generate images with
> text
> > verification. This would eliminate spam.
>
> Captchas can generally be defeated by programs and
> violate usability
> standards in any case unless there's a fallback --
> which would likely
> be able to be used by spammers to continue their
> process.
>
> -austin
> --
> Austin Ziegler * halostatue@gmail.com
> * Alternate: austin@halostatue.ca
> : as of this email, I have [ 6 ] Gmail invitations
>
>





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T. Onoma

9/28/2004 11:41:00 AM

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On Tuesday 28 September 2004 05:05 am, Robert McGovern wrote:
> > You should create a way to generate images with text
> > verification. This would eliminate spam.
>
> I think it would slow them down but it wouldn't eliminate them completely.

I Disagree. With a little cleverness, this would stop it completely.

Sadly, b/c of the spam, I for one have stopped using Garden like I used too.

T.

Chad Fowler

9/28/2004 11:54:00 AM

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On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:29:04 +0900, James Britt
<jamesunderbarb@neurogami.com> wrote:
> The rubygarden wiki has been over-run with spam links.
>
> 220.163.37.233 is one of the offending source IP addresss.
>
> I fixed the home page, and then saw the extent of the crap. Looks like
> many personal pages have been altered.
>
> Those with user pages may want to go check their own page to assist with
> the clean up.
>

I've got a list, but it has become obvious that maintaining a list
manually isn't going to work. I'm tempted to require registration and
authentication at this point as much as I hate the thought.

Chad

David Ross

9/28/2004 12:01:00 PM

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Chad Fowler wrote:

>On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:29:04 +0900, James Britt
><jamesunderbarb@neurogami.com> wrote:
>
>
>>The rubygarden wiki has been over-run with spam links.
>>
>>220.163.37.233 is one of the offending source IP addresss.
>>
>>I fixed the home page, and then saw the extent of the crap. Looks like
>>many personal pages have been altered.
>>
>>Those with user pages may want to go check their own page to assist with
>>the clean up.
>>
>>
>>
>
>I've got a list, but it has become obvious that maintaining a list
>manually isn't going to work. I'm tempted to require registration and
>authentication at this point as much as I hate the thought.
>
>Chad
>
As much as I like the idea of having authenticatoin, I don't think it
would work. Automation of scripts or a program would allow them to
bypass the authentication system. These attacks are not automatic, they
are performmed manually by morons.

--dross

Robert McGovern

9/28/2004 12:07:00 PM

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> As much as I like the idea of having authenticatoin, I don't think it
> would work. Automation of scripts or a program would allow them to
> bypass the authentication system. These attacks are not automatic, they
> are performmed manually by morons.

If you think these are being performed manually be morons why did you
suggest earlier having a captcha type system?

"You should create a way to generate images with text verification.
This would eliminate spam."

Rob

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Robert McGovern

9/28/2004 12:13:00 PM

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> I've got a list, but it has become obvious that maintaining a list
> manually isn't going to work. I'm tempted to require registration and
> authentication at this point as much as I hate the thought.

I'd certainly be against it, I know spam is a bad thing and indeed my
own wiki has had it from time to time but requiring authentication /
registration removes a freedom from people they shouldn't have to give
up and might indeed push people away from using it.

Also there is nothing to stop spammers from setting up a ton of "junk"
accounts to get around it. This has happened a lot on Yahoo Groups and
the group we are in basically decided that new users (for a period of
a couple of weeks) has to have their posts moderated. This was to
prevent general spam and job solicitations. I can't think of a way to
make that sort of scheme work in a Wiki enviroment though.

Rob

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Robert McGovern

9/28/2004 12:15:00 PM

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> > > You should create a way to generate images with text
> > > verification. This would eliminate spam.
> >
> > I think it would slow them down but it wouldn't eliminate them completely.
>
> I Disagree. With a little cleverness, this would stop it completely.

It all hangs on whether its bot spam or manual spam. I never believe
in absolutes :)

Rob

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