duke
7/12/2013 3:27:00 PM
On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 11:55:29 -0500, Tom McDonald <kiltmac@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 7/11/2013 1:34 AM, Jason wrote:
>> In article <krl4mc$2br$1@dont-email.me>, Tom McDonald <kiltmac@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/10/2013 6:32 PM, PATRICK wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 11:59:50 -0500, Tom McDonald <kiltmac@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/10/2013 6:42 AM, Attila < wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 09 Jul 2013 19:52:33 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
>>>>>> <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
>>>>>> <hlwdjsd2-AA6ACC.19523309072013@news.giganews.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <krig1o$v6j$1@dont-email.me>, Dakota <markp@NOSPAMmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7/9/2013 6:02 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <o4got8pdcf3cafnnahs9rh5bbubi8s7g12@4ax.com>,
>>>>>>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 09 Jul 2013 08:59:45 -0500, Dakota <markp@NOSPAMmail.com> in
>>>>>>>>>> alt.abortion with message-id <krh4ll$pg7$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone comes into my home unannounced somebody is going to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried out in a body bag. There is only one person who
>> has a key to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my home and would ever have occasion to enter it, and that person
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knows never to enter unannounced day or night because I
>> would not ask
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who or why. Knows because they know me and because I have
>> told them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Where do you live that you can kill a non-threatening intruder
>> without
>>>>>>>>>>> facing criminal charges?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It would have to be proven I did not feel threatened. After all, I
>>>>>>>>>> can say the intruder said or did just about anything.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No wonder you believe every word out of Zimmerman's mouth. You think
>>>>>>>>> it's acceptable to lie about killing someone.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If Attila shot and killed a neighbor's 14-year-old kid who broke in
>>>>>>>> hoping to steal an iPad, PS3, or other gadget, he'd have a difficult
>>>>>>>> time justifying a self defense claim. He did say "anyone" so that kid
>>>>>>>> would be leaving in a body bag.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ISTR his saying that his children know to announce themselves loudly
>>>>>>> when they come home late at night because he'd shoot first and ask
>>>>>>> questions later.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Exactly. Plus I have no children living with me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I stated there was only one person who had access to my house and that
>>>>>> person knows to never ever enter without announcing themselves
>>>>>> repeatedly - and loudly.
>>>>>>
>>>>> You sound like a very frightened person. Lots of folks live lives free
>>>> >from the fear you have.
>>>>
>>>> I saw on the news today that now all 50 states have carry and conceal
>>>> laws. Do you ever wonder why?
>>>>
>>> I don't have a problem with people owning guns. I don't even have a
>>> problem with open or concealed carry--IFF the gun owners so carrying
>>> have been adequately trained in as-realistic-as-possible shoot/don't
>>> shoot scenarios, and keep their training up and are re-certified frequently.
>>>
>>> My problem is that, in too many states, it is too easy to get a CCW
>>> permit in the first place, without what I consider to be adequate
>>> training and certification.
>>>
>>> As to why folks carry concealed, I expect there are a number of reasons.
>>> But all of them come down to fear that they might need to kill someone
>>> and wouldn't be able to easily. (Notice I don't say that never happens.
>>> I do say it happens far less frequently than a lot of gun owners I know
>>> believe it does.)
>>
>>
>> Answer this question:
>>
>> Would a city have more crime or less crime if it was very easy for law
>> abiding citizens to easily get concealed carry permits?
>>
>>
>Don't know. I do know that it would wind up with more accidental deaths
>and deaths from people carrying who shot someone out of anger instead of
>merely punching them in the face.
People of God think before shooting.
The dukester, American - American
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