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Praveen Naregal

2/12/2004 10:27:00 AM

Hi Felbrigg,

Yes.I am trying to create the controls run time as at run time only I come
to how many controls I have to create.

Regards,
Praveen

"Felbrigg" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:OsNTm486DHA.2300@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Do you mean that you are creating the HTML at run time as well as the asp
> controls?
>
>
> "Praveen Naregal" <pgnaregal@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OUCJqp66DHA.2264@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > Hi Felbrigg,
> >
> > I am using Visual Studio .NET and C#. How do you specify this
runat=server
> > attribute while creating the control runtime?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Praveen
> >
> > "Felbrigg" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:ecBRFty6DHA.1636@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > What it means is that the html element you are trying to add this
> control
> > to
> > > must have a "runat=server" attribute, such as this...
> > >
> > > <TD id="test" runat=server></TD>
> > >
> > > You will also have to add the button to a controls collection of the
> > > container like this.
> > >
> > > test.Controls.Add(lblAcnt);
> > >
> > > "Praveen Naregal" <pgnaregal@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:u7zWhbx6DHA.2392@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I am trying to add linkbuttons at run time. Here is the code.
> > > >
> > > > //....
> > > > System.Web.UI.WebControls.LinkButton lbAcnt = new
> > > > System.Web.UI.WebControls.LinkButton();
> > > > Controls.Add(lbAcnt);
> > > > lbAcnt.ID = "lButton" ;
> > > > lbAcnt.Enabled = true;
> > > > lbAcnt.Visible = true;
> > > > lbAcnt.Text = "lButton" ;
> > > > lbAcnt.Click += new System.EventHandler(this.DisplayAcntDetails);
> > > > //..
> > > >
> > > > I am getting the following error.
> > > > HttpException (0x80004005): Control 'lButton' of type 'LinkButton'
> must
> > be
> > > > placed inside a form tag with runat=server.]
> > > >
> > > > What is wrong here. How to set these runat = server property at
> runtime?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance
> > > > Praveen Naregal
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


5 Answers

woo0609

2/12/2004 7:49:00 PM

0

"Praveen Naregal" <pgnaregal@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<eecA2PV8DHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl>...
> Hi Felbrigg,
>
> Yes.I am trying to create the controls run time as at run time only I come
> to how many controls I have to create.
>
> Regards,
> Praveen
>
> "Felbrigg" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:OsNTm486DHA.2300@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > Do you mean that you are creating the HTML at run time as well as the asp
> > controls?
> >
> >
> > "Praveen Naregal" <pgnaregal@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:OUCJqp66DHA.2264@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > Hi Felbrigg,
> > >
> > > I am using Visual Studio .NET and C#. How do you specify this
> runat=server
> > > attribute while creating the control runtime?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Praveen
> > >
> > > "Felbrigg" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > news:ecBRFty6DHA.1636@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > > What it means is that the html element you are trying to add this
> control
> to
> > > > must have a "runat=server" attribute, such as this...
> > > >
> > > > <TD id="test" runat=server></TD>
> > > >
> > > > You will also have to add the button to a controls collection of the
> > > > container like this.
> > > >
> > > > test.Controls.Add(lblAcnt);
> > > >
> > > > "Praveen Naregal" <pgnaregal@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:u7zWhbx6DHA.2392@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I am trying to add linkbuttons at run time. Here is the code.
> > > > >
> > > > > //....
> > > > > System.Web.UI.WebControls.LinkButton lbAcnt = new
> > > > > System.Web.UI.WebControls.LinkButton();
> > > > > Controls.Add(lbAcnt);
> > > > > lbAcnt.ID = "lButton" ;
> > > > > lbAcnt.Enabled = true;
> > > > > lbAcnt.Visible = true;
> > > > > lbAcnt.Text = "lButton" ;
> > > > > lbAcnt.Click += new System.EventHandler(this.DisplayAcntDetails);
> > > > > //..
> > > > >
> > > > > I am getting the following error.
> > > > > HttpException (0x80004005): Control 'lButton' of type 'LinkButton'
> must
> be
> > > > > placed inside a form tag with runat=server.]
> > > > >
> > > > > What is wrong here. How to set these runat = server property at
> runtime?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks in advance
> > > > > Praveen Naregal
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >


May I see your code? not the part but whole?
I wonder where you placed the linkbutton control.
and are you making composite custom control?

Alessandro Zifiglio

2/13/2004 7:29:00 AM

0

Your error state :
I am getting the following error. HttpException (0x80004005): Control
'lButton' of type 'LinkButton'
must be placed inside a form tag with runat=server.

Its very clear. All asp.net web control need to placed btw <form id="form1"
......runat="server">
<asp:LinkButton ....></asp:LinkButton>
</form>

now when you add your control dynamically either you add it to a placeholder
control, or another controls, control collection, which is already in btw
the form object with runat="server" or you add your control to the form
objects controls collection.

what you are doing is, you are adding a label to YOur pages controls
collection, and then adding a link button to your labels controls
collection. And NONE of this is going into your form objects controls
collection. So instead of adding it to the pages controls collection add it
to the pages form object.

Let me know if your having difficulty. This is very simple and not as
complicated as it seems.
"Praveen Naregal" <pgnaregal@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eecA2PV8DHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Hi Felbrigg,
>
> Yes.I am trying to create the controls run time as at run time only I come
> to how many controls I have to create.
>
> Regards,
> Praveen
>
> "Felbrigg" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:OsNTm486DHA.2300@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > Do you mean that you are creating the HTML at run time as well as the
asp
> > controls?
> >
> >
> > "Praveen Naregal" <pgnaregal@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:OUCJqp66DHA.2264@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > Hi Felbrigg,
> > >
> > > I am using Visual Studio .NET and C#. How do you specify this
> runat=server
> > > attribute while creating the control runtime?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Praveen
> > >
> > > "Felbrigg" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > news:ecBRFty6DHA.1636@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > > What it means is that the html element you are trying to add this
> > control
> > > to
> > > > must have a "runat=server" attribute, such as this...
> > > >
> > > > <TD id="test" runat=server></TD>
> > > >
> > > > You will also have to add the button to a controls collection of the
> > > > container like this.
> > > >
> > > > test.Controls.Add(lblAcnt);
> > > >
> > > > "Praveen Naregal" <pgnaregal@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:u7zWhbx6DHA.2392@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I am trying to add linkbuttons at run time. Here is the code.
> > > > >
> > > > > //....
> > > > > System.Web.UI.WebControls.LinkButton lbAcnt = new
> > > > > System.Web.UI.WebControls.LinkButton();
> > > > > Controls.Add(lbAcnt);
> > > > > lbAcnt.ID = "lButton" ;
> > > > > lbAcnt.Enabled = true;
> > > > > lbAcnt.Visible = true;
> > > > > lbAcnt.Text = "lButton" ;
> > > > > lbAcnt.Click += new System.EventHandler(this.DisplayAcntDetails);
> > > > > //..
> > > > >
> > > > > I am getting the following error.
> > > > > HttpException (0x80004005): Control 'lButton' of type 'LinkButton'
> > must
> > > be
> > > > > placed inside a form tag with runat=server.]
> > > > >
> > > > > What is wrong here. How to set these runat = server property at
> > runtime?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks in advance
> > > > > Praveen Naregal
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


Praveen Naregal

2/17/2004 1:58:00 PM

0

Hi all,

I got the problem.It's rather very simple. You need to include
the following line and set the runat=server property.
lbAcnt.Attributes.Add("runat","server");

thanks for your suggestions
Praveen

"Alessandro Zifiglio" <alessandrozifiglio@NO-SPAM-hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:a6%Wb.6615$HO2.2072@news.edisontel.com...
> Your error state :
> I am getting the following error. HttpException (0x80004005): Control
> 'lButton' of type 'LinkButton'
> must be placed inside a form tag with runat=server.
>
> Its very clear. All asp.net web control need to placed btw <form
id="form1"
> .....runat="server">
> <asp:LinkButton ....></asp:LinkButton>
> </form>
>
> now when you add your control dynamically either you add it to a
placeholder
> control, or another controls, control collection, which is already in btw
> the form object with runat="server" or you add your control to the form
> objects controls collection.
>
> what you are doing is, you are adding a label to YOur pages controls
> collection, and then adding a link button to your labels controls
> collection. And NONE of this is going into your form objects controls
> collection. So instead of adding it to the pages controls collection add
it
> to the pages form object.
>
> Let me know if your having difficulty. This is very simple and not as
> complicated as it seems.
> "Praveen Naregal" <pgnaregal@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:eecA2PV8DHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > Hi Felbrigg,
> >
> > Yes.I am trying to create the controls run time as at run time only I
come
> > to how many controls I have to create.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Praveen
> >
> > "Felbrigg" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:OsNTm486DHA.2300@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > Do you mean that you are creating the HTML at run time as well as the
> asp
> > > controls?
> > >
> > >
> > > "Praveen Naregal" <pgnaregal@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:OUCJqp66DHA.2264@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > Hi Felbrigg,
> > > >
> > > > I am using Visual Studio .NET and C#. How do you specify this
> > runat=server
> > > > attribute while creating the control runtime?
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Praveen
> > > >
> > > > "Felbrigg" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:ecBRFty6DHA.1636@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > > > What it means is that the html element you are trying to add this
> > > control
> > > > to
> > > > > must have a "runat=server" attribute, such as this...
> > > > >
> > > > > <TD id="test" runat=server></TD>
> > > > >
> > > > > You will also have to add the button to a controls collection of
the
> > > > > container like this.
> > > > >
> > > > > test.Controls.Add(lblAcnt);
> > > > >
> > > > > "Praveen Naregal" <pgnaregal@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:u7zWhbx6DHA.2392@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am trying to add linkbuttons at run time. Here is the code.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > //....
> > > > > > System.Web.UI.WebControls.LinkButton lbAcnt = new
> > > > > > System.Web.UI.WebControls.LinkButton();
> > > > > > Controls.Add(lbAcnt);
> > > > > > lbAcnt.ID = "lButton" ;
> > > > > > lbAcnt.Enabled = true;
> > > > > > lbAcnt.Visible = true;
> > > > > > lbAcnt.Text = "lButton" ;
> > > > > > lbAcnt.Click += new
System.EventHandler(this.DisplayAcntDetails);
> > > > > > //..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am getting the following error.
> > > > > > HttpException (0x80004005): Control 'lButton' of type
'LinkButton'
> > > must
> > > > be
> > > > > > placed inside a form tag with runat=server.]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What is wrong here. How to set these runat = server property at
> > > runtime?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks in advance
> > > > > > Praveen Naregal
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


Alessandro Zifiglio

2/17/2004 3:12:00 PM

0

I dont know where your getting at. I have very clearly explained how this
works. Which parts didnt you get ? ;P
"Praveen Naregal" <pgnaregal@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Osuc$1V9DHA.1356@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Hi all,
>
> I got the problem.It's rather very simple. You need to include
> the following line and set the runat=server property.
> lbAcnt.Attributes.Add("runat","server");
>
> thanks for your suggestions
> Praveen
>
> "Alessandro Zifiglio" <alessandrozifiglio@NO-SPAM-hotmail.com> wrote in
> message news:a6%Wb.6615$HO2.2072@news.edisontel.com...
> > Your error state :
> > I am getting the following error. HttpException (0x80004005): Control
> > 'lButton' of type 'LinkButton'
> > must be placed inside a form tag with runat=server.
> >
> > Its very clear. All asp.net web control need to placed btw <form
> id="form1"
> > .....runat="server">
> > <asp:LinkButton ....></asp:LinkButton>
> > </form>
> >
> > now when you add your control dynamically either you add it to a
> placeholder
> > control, or another controls, control collection, which is already in
btw
> > the form object with runat="server" or you add your control to the form
> > objects controls collection.
> >
> > what you are doing is, you are adding a label to YOur pages controls
> > collection, and then adding a link button to your labels controls
> > collection. And NONE of this is going into your form objects controls
> > collection. So instead of adding it to the pages controls collection add
> it
> > to the pages form object.
> >
> > Let me know if your having difficulty. This is very simple and not as
> > complicated as it seems.
> > "Praveen Naregal" <pgnaregal@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:eecA2PV8DHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > Hi Felbrigg,
> > >
> > > Yes.I am trying to create the controls run time as at run time only I
> come
> > > to how many controls I have to create.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Praveen
> > >
> > > "Felbrigg" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > news:OsNTm486DHA.2300@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > > Do you mean that you are creating the HTML at run time as well as
the
> > asp
> > > > controls?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Praveen Naregal" <pgnaregal@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:OUCJqp66DHA.2264@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > > Hi Felbrigg,
> > > > >
> > > > > I am using Visual Studio .NET and C#. How do you specify this
> > > runat=server
> > > > > attribute while creating the control runtime?
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Praveen
> > > > >
> > > > > "Felbrigg" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:ecBRFty6DHA.1636@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > What it means is that the html element you are trying to add
this
> > > > control
> > > > > to
> > > > > > must have a "runat=server" attribute, such as this...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <TD id="test" runat=server></TD>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You will also have to add the button to a controls collection of
> the
> > > > > > container like this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > test.Controls.Add(lblAcnt);
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Praveen Naregal" <pgnaregal@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:u7zWhbx6DHA.2392@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am trying to add linkbuttons at run time. Here is the code.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > //....
> > > > > > > System.Web.UI.WebControls.LinkButton lbAcnt = new
> > > > > > > System.Web.UI.WebControls.LinkButton();
> > > > > > > Controls.Add(lbAcnt);
> > > > > > > lbAcnt.ID = "lButton" ;
> > > > > > > lbAcnt.Enabled = true;
> > > > > > > lbAcnt.Visible = true;
> > > > > > > lbAcnt.Text = "lButton" ;
> > > > > > > lbAcnt.Click += new
> System.EventHandler(this.DisplayAcntDetails);
> > > > > > > //..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am getting the following error.
> > > > > > > HttpException (0x80004005): Control 'lButton' of type
> 'LinkButton'
> > > > must
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > placed inside a form tag with runat=server.]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What is wrong here. How to set these runat = server property
at
> > > > runtime?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks in advance
> > > > > > > Praveen Naregal
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


Gary Renzetti

11/26/2007 3:27:00 AM

0


"Robert" <bobby@pinstripe.com> wrote in message
news:Dpl2j.145$yU1.97@newsfe05.lga...
>I just saw your interesting note at the bottom -- see below for comments.
>...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Robert" <bobby@pinstripe.com> wrote in message
> news:Qgl2j.140$yU1.21@newsfe05.lga...
>> The heartland of America is built on the solid bedrock of Christianity
>> (notwithstanding the numerous denominations and irregular church
>> attendance) and as such is solidly pro-Israel. Ultimately, this is where
>> Israel derives its power and influence.
>>
>> The book you mention is another of a long line of publications that make
>> big profits by milking the kook fringe. Other titles that successfully
>> empty the pockets of the simple-minded wishful thinkers include
>> conspiracy theories, aliens, and UFOs,
>>
>>
>> "Aviroce" <dudaraster@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:3f87f519-a2a0-4b4a-9ebd-76c45c0a6281@r31g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>> US storm over book on Israel lobby
>>> By Henri Astier
>>> BBC News
>>>
>>> The power of America's "Jewish lobby" is said to be legendary.
>>>
>>>
>>> Commentators the world over refer to it, as though it were a well-
>>> established fact that US Jews wield far more influence than their
>>> numbers (2% of the population) would suggest.
>>>
>>>
>>> But this presumed influence is also a delicate issue in the US, and
>>> is
>>> rarely analysed.
>>>
>>>
>>> How does the lobby work? Is its power truly legendary, or just a
>>> legend?
>>>
>>>
>>> Two US academics, John Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago and
>>> Stephen Walt of Harvard, have set out to answer those questions, and
>>> triggered a firestorm of controversy as a result.
>>>
>>>
>>> Their book The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy, which builds on a
>>> 2006 article in the London Review of Books, says the reasons for US
>>> support for Israel need to be explained.
>>>
>>>
>>> America spends $3bn a year in largely military assistance - one-sixth
>>> of its direct aid budget - to help a prosperous, nuclear-armed
>>> country, and strongly backs Israel in negotiations on Middle East
>>> peace.
>>>
>>>
>>> But according to Mearsheimer and Walt, the US gets remarkably little
>>> in return.
>>>
>>>
>>> They reject the argument that Israel is a key ally in America's "war
>>> on terror".
>>>
>>>
>>> On the contrary, they contend, US patronage of Israel fuels militant
>>> anger - as well as fostering resentment in Arab countries that
>>> control
>>> vital oil supplies.
>>>
>>>
>>> One-sided
>>>
>>>
>>> The authors also reject the common view of Israel as a democratic
>>> outpost that needs protection from deadly enemies.
>>>
>>>
>>> It is indeed a vibrant democracy, they say, but also a regional giant
>>> ready to use its considerable firepower against civilians.
>>>
>>>
>>> If both these arguments are weak, they say, the real reason behind US
>>> support for Israel is domestic - the activities of the American
>>> Israel
>>> Public Affairs Committee (Aipac), the Anti-Defamation League (ADL),
>>> and like-minded groups and think tanks.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mearsheimer and Walt do not talk of a "Jewish lobby", as these groups
>>> do not speak for all US Jews and include many non-Jews, but of an
>>> "Israel lobby", whose main aim, they say, is to convince America that
>>> its interests are aligned with those of the Israeli state.
>>>
>>>
>>> The book analyses the lobby's sources of influence - notably its
>>> financial muscle and the reluctance of critics to speak out.
>>>
>>>
>>> Pro-Israeli contributions to US campaigns dwarf those of Arab-
>>> Americans or Muslim groups.
>>>
>>>
>>> Like other interest groups, the Israel lobby also influences debate
>>> by
>>> rounding on politicians and commentators who take positions it does
>>> not like - but it does it particularly effectively, according to
>>> Mearsheimer and Walt.
>>>
>>>
>>> Those who might think of questioning US support for Israel know they
>>> are in for a fight, making it more trouble than it is worth.
>>>
>>>
>>> The resulting lack of discussion, the book says, has skewed US
>>> policies across the Middle East.
>>>
>>>
>>> Most controversially, it argues that the lobby played an important
>>> role in the Iraq war.
>>>
>>>
>>> No conspiracy
>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps not surprisingly, Mearsheimer and Walt have unleashed a
>>> torrent of criticism - though not from Aipac, which has made no
>>> comment.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Their conclusions are classic anti-Semitic canards - such as control
>>> of foreign policy against the interest of the US, the Jews
>>> controlling
>>> the media and getting America into war," ADL director Abraham Foxman
>>> told the BBC News website.
>>>
>>>
>>> After reading the original article, Mr Foxman wrote a book-length
>>> rebuttal entitled The Deadliest Lies: The Israel Lobby and The Myth
>>> of
>>> Jewish Control.
>>>
>>>
>>> Many attacks have been highly personal.
>>>
>>>
>>> In a fierce critique of their scholarship, Israeli historian Benny
>>> Morris wrote in the New Republic of the original article: "Were 'The
>>> Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy' an actual person, I would have to
>>> say that he did not have a single honest bone in his body."
>>>
>>>
>>> Virtually all reviews of the book in the mainstream US press have
>>> been
>>> negative.
>>>
>>>
>>> "They have often misrepresented our arguments badly or tried to smear
>>> us by either saying or hinting that we are anti-Semitic," Mr Walt
>>> told
>>> the BBC News website.
>>>
>>>
>>> He and Mr Mearsheimer deny recycling old fantasies of Jewish
>>> conspiracies. Their book repeatedly states that pro-Israeli lobbying
>>> is not secretive, but conforms to the open rules of America's
>>> democratic system.
>>>
>>>
>>> The authors regard their excoriation in the US press as a sign of the
>>> lobby's effectiveness, and point out that reviews abroad have been
>>> much more favourable.
>>>
>>>
>>> "This in some way confirms our basic argument that it's much easier
>>> to
>>> talk about this subject outside the United States than we do inside
>>> the US," he says.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cause and effect
>>>
>>>
>>> However, some of Mearsheimer and Walt's US critics have been less
>>> vitriolic and harder to dismiss as angry polemic.
>>>
>>>
>>> Robert Lieberman, a Columbia University political scientist, argues
>>> that they overstate the lobby's financial power.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mearsheimer and Walt cite cases of members of Congress losing their
>>> seats after running afoul of pro-Israeli groups which then bankrolled
>>> their opponents.
>>>
>>>
>>> But Mr Lieberman says the contributions involved are unlikely to make
>>> a difference and the book fails to establish a clear link between
>>> lobby money and victory.
>>>
>>>
>>> Senate Minority leader Tom Daschle lost his seat in 2004 despite the
>>> fact that he got more pro-Israel funding than any candidate that
>>> year.
>>>
>>>
>>> "For any anecdote they come up with, you can come up with an anecdote
>>> that demonstrates the opposite," Mr Lieberman says.
>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps the most contentious argument in the book is the direct
>>> causal
>>> link it tries to establish between lobby activity and US Middle East
>>> policies.
>>>
>>>
>>> But political preferences can be influenced by any number of factors,
>>> such as popular pressure, party politics or heartfelt conviction.
>>>
>>>
>>> Although Mearsheimer and Walt do their best to discard those
>>> alternative explanations for the US pro-Israeli stance, many are
>>> unconvinced.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Is this the manipulation of a tiny group, or is this politicians not
>>> wanting to take a stand that is unpopular with the broader public?"
>>> Walter Russell Mead, of the Council on Foreign Relations, told the
>>> BBC
>>> News website.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mr Mead - who wrote a lengthy critique of the book in the journal
>>> Foreign Affairs - also says Mearsheimer and Walt give too vague a
>>> definition of the lobby to make any credible conclusion about its
>>> impact.
>>>
>>>
>>> Opening up
>>>
>>>
>>> The fact that the book invites criticism, however, is also a
>>> strength.
>>> Its scholarly, dispassionate tone is meant to encourage a debate.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Reasonable people can disagree and one of the reasons we want to
>>> have
>>> a discussion is to get issues out in the open so people can talk
>>> about
>>> them," Mr Walt says.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tony Judt - a prominent historian and critic of Israel - does not
>>> accept every point made by Mearsheimer and Walt, but he credits them
>>> with lifting a taboo.
>>>
>>>
>>> The main effect of the lobby, he says, has been self-censorship.
>>> "There are people out there who are anti-Semitic obviously, and you
>>> don't want to find yourself in their company, so you end up saying
>>> nothing," he says.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mr Judt himself is not afraid to speak out, but he has to tread more
>>> carefully when he criticises Israeli policies in the US than he does
>>> in Israel itself.
>>>
>>>
>>> "I have written articles in Haaretz that no American newspapers would
>>> touch," he says.
>>>
>>>
>>> In this context, he adds, Mearsheimer and Walt's book is an "enormous
>>> act of intellectual courage".
>>>
>>>
>>> "They gained nothing from it, but the community has really gained
>>> something because with each little step like that, the conversation
>>> opens up a bit more."
>>>
>>>
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7...
>>>
>>>
>>> Working paper on which the book is based upon online at:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.montrealmuslimnews.net/israe...
>>>
>>>
>>> Book's official website:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.israellobb...
>>>
>>> (ORIGINALLY POSTED BY VIVAPALISTINE!)
>>>
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/Imperialism_Zionism/browse_frm/thread/54575f...
>>>
>>> *************************************************************************************************************
>>>
>>> COMMENT BY AVIROCE:
>>>
>>> ONE MUST LOOK AT THE EFFECT AND DECIDE WHAT THE CAUSE IS. IT IS THE
>>> MANIFESTATION OF THE EFFECT THAT TELLS WHAT CAUSE IS INVOLVED. WHEN
>>> TOO MANY EFFECTS POINT IN ONE DIRECTION, THEN THE CAUSE IS WHERE THE
>>> POINTING IS.
>
> Not necessarily ...
> http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/confusing-cause-and-e...
>
Nizkor? So you expect us to believe that McVay has more credibility than the
BBC? Yeah, right.
>
>
>
>>>
>>> TO HAVE A FULL STUDY OF CAUSE AND EFFECT, THE AUTHORS WOULD HAVE TO
>>> FOLLOW WHAT MARX DID IN HIS BOOK "DES CAPITAL."
>
> And Marx turned out to be completely wrong. His theories have failed
> miserably -- the Soviet Union disintegrated, Cuba is close behind, and
> even China was an economic basket case until it started moving toward free
> markets, private property, and entrpeneurism.
>
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> MARX FOLLOWED DATA
>>> AND DETAILS AND GAVE HIS ACCOUNTS OF THE SAME. IN ACTUALLITY, CAUSE
>>> AND EFFECT MAY BE TESTED TO THE SATISFACTION OF EVERYONE EXCEPT THE
>>> JEWS WHO WOULD REJECT ANYTHING THAT DOES NOT ENDORSE THEIR OPINION.
>>> WHO CARES THEN?! JUST KEEP GOING.
>>>
>>>
>>> ***********************************************************************************************************
>>> Aviroce's Study:How to disentagle the tentacles of the octopus? Above
>>> report is just one tiny step into the right direction.
>>> ***************************************************************************************************************
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