Asp Forum - PATCH: correct time zone calc in date.rb

Mark J. Reed

11/2/2003 3:25:00 PM

No-one responded to the message I posted about this a few weeks ago,
but here's a patch to fix the timezone calculation in date.rb -
without the patch it calculates the offset from UT as greater in
magnitude than it should be by one minute.

*** lib/date.rb Sat Aug 23 13:03:04 2003
--- /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/date.rb Sun Nov 2 10:22:09 2003
***************
*** 1267,1273 ****
jd = civil_to_jd(*(a[0,3] << sg))
fr = time_to_day_fraction(*(a[3,3])) + i.usec.to_r/86400000000
d = Time.gm(*i.to_a).to_i - i.to_i
- d += d / d.abs if d.nonzero?
of = (d / 60).to_r/1440
new0(jd_to_ajd(jd, fr, of), of, sg)
end
--- 1267,1272 ----

10 Answers

Count 1

1/29/2009 3:58:00 PM

<flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:d8kgl.2937$Aw2.1840@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>
> On 29-Jan-2009, drahcir <justrichardsmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > >The FACTS remain that your beloved Pappe -- whose works I doubt you've
>> > >actually read -- is such a poor scholar, or careless liar, that he
>> > >never thought to correct his glaring errors. Here they are again:
>> >
>> > You're a moron Deborah.
>>
>> LOL! As if there isn't a soul here, HHW included, who isn't thinking
>> right now "jason calling deborah a moron is like Gary Coleman calling
>> Wilt Chamberlain a pipsqueak." A child like Jason can't see himself
>> clearly - his thinking isn't much beyond "wahwah, change me, mommy".
>
> This reminds me of Iran.
> Not only do they have Ahmanedijad with his "There are no Gays in Iran,"
> "We want nuclear power for peaceful purposes only" - directly combined
> with "Israel must be destroyed" - but now they have a film-maker who
> says that HARRY POTTER* is Zionist propaganda!!

I read that too. It was the conclusion of an 'expert' on religion in film.
Apparently he believes, and state television broadcasted it, that Harry
Potter was conditioning people to accept the Zionist enterprise.

I always knew that little bastard was up to *something*. ;-)

flaviaR

1/29/2009 5:25:00 PM

On 29-Jan-2009, "Count 1" <omnipitus2002@yahoo.com> wrote:

> >
> > This reminds me of Iran.
> > Not only do they have Ahmanedijad with his "There are no Gays in Iran,"
> > "We want nuclear power for peaceful purposes only" - directly combined
> > with "Israel must be destroyed" - but now they have a film-maker who
> > says that HARRY POTTER* is Zionist propaganda!!
>
> I read that too. It was the conclusion of an 'expert' on religion in film.
>
> Apparently he believes, and state television broadcasted it, that Harry
> Potter was conditioning people to accept the Zionist enterprise.
>
Hey - if they want to insist that any portrayal of the
eventual triumph of good over evil is "Zionistic" , I will,
solely in the interests of peace & international harmony,
go along with it.

> I always knew that little bastard was up to *something*. ;-)

What is even more interesting for those who will remain
silent is that all the details given by the idiot with this
theory apply to *Xianity*.

Susan

Jason P

1/29/2009 6:44:00 PM

<flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:ODlgl.2952$Aw2.1160@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>
> On 29-Jan-2009, "Count 1" <omnipitus2002@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> >
>> > This reminds me of Iran.
>> > Not only do they have Ahmanedijad with his "There are no Gays in Iran,"
>> > "We want nuclear power for peaceful purposes only" - directly combined
>> > with "Israel must be destroyed" - but now they have a film-maker who
>> > says that HARRY POTTER* is Zionist propaganda!!
>>
>> I read that too. It was the conclusion of an 'expert' on religion in
>> film.
>>
>> Apparently he believes, and state television broadcasted it, that Harry
>> Potter was conditioning people to accept the Zionist enterprise.
>>
> Hey - if they want to insist that any portrayal of the
> eventual triumph of good over evil is "Zionistic" , I will,
> solely in the interests of peace & international harmony,
> go along with it.
>
>> I always knew that little bastard was up to *something*. ;-)
>
> What is even more interesting for those who will remain
> silent is that all the details given by the idiot with this
> theory apply to *Xianity*.
>
> Susan

The Potter books could never be considered pro-Christian, you twit. Some
strict Christian households refuse to allow their kids to read that
driveling horseshit in the first place, because of anti-Christian dogma and
occult overtures contained in them. You are being really stupid today, more
so than most days.

--
Jason P

HHW

1/29/2009 11:27:00 PM

On Jan 29, 8:48 am, drahcir <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 29, 9:13 am, "Jason P" <jasp...@NoSpam.gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "dsharavi" <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:0d6a92b7-2998-4bab-bed8-1e99e45c7012@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > On Jan 28, 3:35 am, The Endeavor <The_Endea...@Noaddress.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:44:02 -0800 (PST), HHW wrote:
> > > > > > After the disengagement from Gaza, Hamas took over, first in
> > > > > > democratic elections, then in a pre-emptive coup staged to avert an
> > > > > > American-backed takeover by Fatah.
>
> > > > > The guy has not got a clue, FATAH was already in power.
>
> > > > It seems Pappe hasn't a clue about a number of things. A few
> > > > corrections to Pappe's cluelessness:
>
> > > > -Palestine in the 19th century did not have a “flourishing
> > > > Palestinian Arab population”.
> > > > --Theodor Herzl did not found Zionism in the late 1880s.
> > > > --Zionism never contained an “ideology of ethnic superiority”.
> > > > --The Biluim were not led by Moshe Lilienblum and Leon Pinsker, and
> > > > did not establish “the first Zionist settlements in Palestine”.
> > > > --Tel Aviv was not “founded on a Saturday morning in July 1907”.
> > > > --There was no Anglo-French plan for the occupation of Palestine in
> > > > 1912.
> > > > --T.E. Lawrence was not a party to the 1916 McMahon-Hussein
> > > > correspondence.
> > > > --The Hebrew University was not built in 1920.
> > > > --The British did not accord Jews “preferential treatment” over
> > > > Arabs,
> > > > nor did the British help Jews create the Hagana.
> > > > --Ben-Gurion did not lead the Zionist Movement from the 1920s to the
> > > > 1960s, nor was he chairman of the Jewish Agency in 1929.
> > > > --The Arab Higher Committee was not “established by 1934”.
> > > > --The Palmach was not active in the 1930s; it did not exist.
> > > > --The Mufti did not flee Palestine in 1938.
> > > > --The Arab Higher Committee never tried to "negotiate a principled
> > > > settlement with the Jewish Agency".
> > > > --Ben-Gurion never said, “I am for compulsory transfer. I do not see
> > > > anything immoral in it.”
> > > > --The UNSCOP presented its report on 31 August 1947, not on 29
> > > > November 1947.
> > > > --The partition resolution did not have “an equal number of
> > > > supporters
> > > > and detractors”.
> > > > --No “series of attacks” on Arab villages began “in early December
> > > > 1947”; Arab attacks on, and massacre of, Jews began the day following
> > > > the partition vote.
> > > > --Arabs weren't expelled within 12 days of the partition resolution.
> > > > --No “forced expulsions” of Arabs began in “mid-February 1948..”
> > > > --The Palmach did not fight the British in 1948, nor was it commanded
> > > > by Moshe Dayan.
> > > > --Ben-Gurion did not meet with “leading Zionists and young Jewish
> > > > military officers” on 10 March 1948, or at any other time, to
> > > > finalize
> > > > plans to “ethnically cleanse” Palestine.
> > > > --Plan D did not provide for mass murder or for the “forcible
> > > > expulson” of hundreds of thousands of Arabs, and there was no "master
> > > > plan to rid the future Jewish state of as many Palestinians as
> > > > possible."
> > > > --Jews did not expel 250,000 Arabs while under British rule.
> > > > --The Jewish Agency did not declare the state of Israel on 15 May
> > > > 1948.
> > > > --The Arabs did not invade with “small, ill-equipped forces”, nor did
> > > > they confront a “superior, well-armed Israeli military.”
> > > > --Jewish forces “on the eve of battle” did not comprise an air force,
> > > > a navy, units of tanks, or heavy artillery.
> > > > --There was no “tacit collusion” with the Jordanians which
> > > > “neutralized” the Legion.
> > > > --The first truce was not 'signed' on 10 June 1948, or on any other
> > > > date.
> > > > --800,000 Arabs were not expelled in six months, nor were 531 Arab
> > > > villages destroyed.
> > > > --“Successful Israeli campaigns” did not continue, nor lead to the
> > > > Jews' “complete control of Palestine”, in August 1948; nor was the
> > > > war
> > > > “completed by October”.
> > > > --The Jews did not in 1949 create “forced labor camps” for
> > > > “Palestinians”.
>
> > > > Corections to all of Pappe's errata would fill another volume -- and a
> > > > much larger one than either of Pappe's little ones.
>
> > > > Deborah
>
> > On Jan 28, 1:19 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Now you have us in a bind, Deborah. Given that no one who knows >your
> > > "work" believes a word you say, what's left but to ignore this?
> > >Given that you ignore facts anyway, your dishonest and cowardly
> > >evasion is only to be expected of a propaganda parrot such as
> > >yourself.
> > >The FACTS remain that your beloved Pappe -- whose works I doubt you've
> > >actually read -- is such a poor scholar, or careless liar, that he
> > >never thought to correct his glaring errors. Here they are again:
>
> > You're a moron Deborah.
>
> LOL! As if there isn't a soul here, HHW included, who isn't thinking
> right now "jason calling deborah a moron is like Gary Coleman calling
> Wilt Chamberlain a pipsqueak." A child like Jason can't see himself
> clearly - his thinking isn't much beyond "wahwah, change me, mommy".
>
> All your assertions are solely based on
>
> > Jew-Zionist-Nazi versions of real event that you or your Jew friends know
> > little about, or want to know anything about.

Actually they are simply assertions. She wants us to spend hours
trying to figure out which passages are referred to if any in Pappe's
"The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" and then how it is that they are
dishonest. You'll recall that she has yet to reply to the Mearsheimer
& Walt complete demolition of Benny Morris' review of the Israeli
history parts of their famous book. She just moves on to another
series of misreprestntations, this time presented as her own. Morris
is now demonstrably an Israeli whore so she just moves her dog and
pony show to the defamation of another opponent of Israel's apartheid
and fascist policies.

>
> > -Palestine in the 19th century did not have a “flourishing
> > Palestinian Arab population”.
> > --Theodor Herzl did not found Zionism in the late 1880s.
> > --Zionism never contained an “ideology of ethnic superiority”.
> > --The Biluim were not led by Moshe Lilienblum and Leon Pinsker, and
> > did not establish “the first Zionist settlements in Palestine”.
> > --Tel Aviv was not “founded on a Saturday morning in July 1907”.
> > --There was no Anglo-French plan for the occupation of Palestine in
> > 1912.
> > --T.E. Lawrence was not a party to the 1916 McMahon-Hussein
> > correspondence.
> > --The Hebrew University was not built in 1920.
> > --The British did not accord Jews “preferential treatment” over
> > Arabs, nor did the British help Jews create the Hagana.
> > --Ben-Gurion did not lead the Zionist Movement from the 1920s to the
> > 1960s, nor was he chairman of the Jewish Agency in 1929.
> > --The Arab Higher Committee was not “established by 1934”.
> > --The Palmach was not active in the 1930s; it did not exist.
> > --The Mufti did not flee Palestine in 1938.
> > --The Arab Higher Committee never tried to "negotiate a principled
> > settlement with the Jewish Agency".
> > --Ben-Gurion never said, “I am for compulsory transfer. I do not see
> > anything immoral in it.”
> > --The UNSCOP presented its report on 31 August 1947, not on 29
> > November 1947.
> > --The partition resolution did not have “an equal number of
> > supporters and detractors”.
> > --No “series of attacks” on Arab villages began “in early December
> > 1947”; Arab attacks on, and massacre of, Jews began the day following
> > the partition vote.
> > --Arabs weren't expelled within 12 days of the partition resolution.
> > --No “forced expulsions” of Arabs began in “mid-February 1948.”
> > --The Palmach did not fight the British in 1948, nor was it commanded
> > by Moshe Dayan.
> > --Ben-Gurion did not meet with “leading Zionists and young Jewish
> > military officers” on 10 March 1948, or at any other time, to
> > finalize plans to “ethnically cleanse” Palestine.
> > --Plan D did not provide for mass murder or for the “forcible
> > expulson” of hundreds of thousands of Arabs, and there was no "master
> > plan to rid the future Jewish state of as many Palestinians as
> > possible."
> > --Jews did not expel 250,000 Arabs while under British rule.
> > --The Jewish Agency did not declare the state of Israel on 15 May
> > 1948.
> > --The Arabs did not invade with “small, ill-equipped forces”, nor did
> > they confront a “superior, well-armed Israeli military.”
> > --Jewish forces “on the eve of battle” did not comprise an air force,
> > a navy, units of tanks, or heavy artillery.
> > --There was no “tacit collusion” with the Jordanians which
> > “neutralized” the Legion.
> > --The first truce was not 'signed' on 10 June 1948, or on any other
> > date.
> > --800,000 Arabs were not expelled in six months, nor were 531 Arab
> > villages destroyed.
> > --“Successful Israeli campaigns” did not continue, nor lead to the
> > Jews' “complete control of Palestine”, in August 1948; nor was the
> > war “completed by October”.
> > --The Jews did not in 1949 create “forced labor camps” for
> > “Palestinians”.
>
> > >Corections to all of Pappe's errata would fill another volume -- and a
> > >much larger one than either of Pappe's little ones.
>
> > >Deborah
>
> > You're a moron Deborah. All your assertions are solely based on
> > Jew-Zionist-Nazi versions of real event that you or your Jew friends know
> > little about, or want to know anything about.
>
> > Go slither back under your spawn covered rock!

What would we do without the Deborah types? You know, partially
educated and morally deficient. She's so often a sitting duck because
of the nature of her false assertions. Ratner has learned to say
nothing substantive whatever in debates about HISTORY. He's more
poorly educated than Deborah and has no illusions about being able to
survive when in over his head.
>
> > --
> > Jason P

dsharavi

1/30/2009 12:05:00 AM

> > > > > On Jan 28, 3:35 am, The Endeavor <The_Endea...@Noaddress.com> wrote:
> > > > > > The guy has not got a clue, FATAH was already in power.

> > > > "dsharavi" <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote
> > > > > It seems Pappe hasn't a clue about a number of things. A few
> > > > > corrections to Pappe's cluelessness:
>
> > > > > -Palestine in the 19th century did not have a “flourishing
> > > > > Palestinian Arab population”.
> > > > > --Theodor Herzl did not found Zionism in the late 1880s.
> > > > > --Zionism never contained an “ideology of ethnic superiority”.
> > > > > --The Biluim were not led by Moshe Lilienblum and Leon Pinsker, and
> > > > > did not establish “the first Zionist settlements in Palestine”.
> > > > > --Tel Aviv was not “founded on a Saturday morning in July 1907”.
> > > > > --There was no Anglo-French plan for the occupation of Palestine in
> > > > > 1912.
> > > > > --T.E. Lawrence was not a party to the 1916 McMahon-Hussein
> > > > > correspondence.
> > > > > --The Hebrew University was not built in 1920.
> > > > > --The British did not accord Jews “preferential treatment” over
> > > > > Arabs,
> > > > > nor did the British help Jews create the Hagana.
> > > > > --Ben-Gurion did not lead the Zionist Movement from the 1920s to the
> > > > > 1960s, nor was he chairman of the Jewish Agency in 1929.
> > > > > --The Arab Higher Committee was not “established by 1934”.
> > > > > --The Palmach was not active in the 1930s; it did not exist.
> > > > > --The Mufti did not flee Palestine in 1938.
> > > > > --The Arab Higher Committee never tried to "negotiate a principled
> > > > > settlement with the Jewish Agency".
> > > > > --Ben-Gurion never said, “I am for compulsory transfer. I do not see
> > > > > anything immoral in it.”
> > > > > --The UNSCOP presented its report on 31 August 1947, not on 29
> > > > > November 1947.
> > > > > --The partition resolution did not have “an equal number of
> > > > > supporters
> > > > > and detractors”.
> > > > > --No “series of attacks” on Arab villages began “in early December
> > > > > 1947”; Arab attacks on, and massacre of, Jews began the day following
> > > > > the partition vote.
> > > > > --Arabs weren't expelled within 12 days of the partition resolution.
> > > > > --No “forced expulsions” of Arabs began in “mid-February 1948.”
> > > > > --The Palmach did not fight the British in 1948, nor was it commanded
> > > > > by Moshe Dayan.
> > > > > --Ben-Gurion did not meet with “leading Zionists and young Jewish
> > > > > military officers” on 10 March 1948, or at any other time, to
> > > > > finalize
> > > > > plans to “ethnically cleanse” Palestine.
> > > > > --Plan D did not provide for mass murder or for the “forcible
> > > > > expulson” of hundreds of thousands of Arabs, and there was no "master
> > > > > plan to rid the future Jewish state of as many Palestinians as
> > > > > possible."
> > > > > --Jews did not expel 250,000 Arabs while under British rule.
> > > > > --The Jewish Agency did not declare the state of Israel on 15 May
> > > > > 1948.
> > > > > --The Arabs did not invade with “small, ill-equipped forces”, nor did
> > > > > they confront a “superior, well-armed Israeli military.”
> > > > > --Jewish forces “on the eve of battle” did not comprise an air force,
> > > > > a navy, units of tanks, or heavy artillery.
> > > > > --There was no “tacit collusion” with the Jordanians which
> > > > > “neutralized” the Legion.
> > > > > --The first truce was not 'signed' on 10 June 1948, or on any other
> > > > > date.
> > > > > --800,000 Arabs were not expelled in six months, nor were 531 Arab
> > > > > villages destroyed.
> > > > > --“Successful Israeli campaigns” did not continue, nor lead to the
> > > > > Jews' “complete control of Palestine”, in August 1948; nor was the
> > > > > war
> > > > > “completed by October”.
> > > > > --The Jews did not in 1949 create “forced labor camps” for
> > > > > “Palestinians”.
>
> > > > > Corections to all of Pappe's errata would fill another volume -- and a
> > > > > much larger one than either of Pappe's little ones.
> > > > > Deborah

> > > On Jan 28, 1:19 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > Now you have us in a bind, Deborah. Given that no one who knows >your
> > > > "work" believes a word you say, what's left but to ignore this?

> > > "dsharavi" <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote
> > > >Given that you ignore facts anyway, your dishonest and cowardly
> > > >evasion is only to be expected of a propaganda parrot such as
> > > >yourself.
> > > >The FACTS remain that your beloved Pappe -- whose works I doubt you've
> > > >actually read -- is such a poor scholar, or careless liar, that he
> > > >never thought to correct his glaring errors. Here they are again:

> > On Jan 29, 9:13 am, "Jason P" <jasp...@NoSpam.gmail.com> wrote:
:> > > You're a moron Deborah.

> On Jan 29, 8:48 am, drahcir <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > LOL! As if there isn't a soul here, HHW included, who isn't thinking
> > right now "jason calling deborah a moron is like Gary Coleman calling
> > Wilt Chamberlain a pipsqueak." A child like Jason can't see himself
> > clearly - his thinking isn't much beyond "wahwah, change me, mommy".

> > All your assertions are solely based on
> > > Jew-Zionist-Nazi versions of real event that you or your Jew friends know
> > > little about, or want to know anything about.

On Jan 29, 3:26 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Actually they are simply assertions.

Wrong, as usual, Hunter. They are FACTS, as opposed to the drivel
spewed by Pappe.

>She wants us to spend hours
> trying to figure out which passages are referred to if any in Pappe's
> "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" and then how it is that they are
> dishonest.

Now you're being your usual cowardly and backpedaling self, Hunter.
"Spend hours trying to figure out...." You have got to be kidding. At
a bare 300 pages, it takes only a few hours to read Pappe's spew. His
misrepresentations of the facts, and the corrections thereto listed
above, are quite verifiable. Your unwillingness to address the
foregoing is a measure of your ignorance, your hypocrisy, and your
cowardice.

>You'll recall that she has yet to reply to the Mearsheimer
> & Walt complete demolition of Benny Morris' review of the Israeli
> history parts of their famous book. She just moves on to another
> series of misreprestntations, this time presented as her own.

You know, Hunter, for a lawyer, you're singularly obtuse. I already
replied to Mearsheimer's alleged "complete demolitiion". And, FYI, it
wasn't Mearsheimer & Walt. It was only Mearsheimer. And Mearsheimer,
like you, was wrong as usual.

>Morris
> is now demonstrably an Israeli whore

Wrong again, Hunter. The whore here is Pappe. Another is Mearsheimer.
And then there's you, their self-appointed pimp.

Pappe did indeed make the following assertions, which I corrected.
Surely you, having read his book, can easily find the passages.

> > > -Palestine in the 19th century did not have a “flourishing
> > > Palestinian Arab population”.
> > > --Theodor Herzl did not found Zionism in the late 1880s.
> > > --Zionism never contained an “ideology of ethnic superiority”.
> > > --The Biluim were not led by Moshe Lilienblum and Leon Pinsker, and
> > > did not establish “the first Zionist settlements in Palestine”.
> > > --Tel Aviv was not “founded on a Saturday morning in July 1907”.
> > > --There was no Anglo-French plan for the occupation of Palestine in
> > > 1912.
> > > --T.E. Lawrence was not a party to the 1916 McMahon-Hussein
> > > correspondence.
> > > --The Hebrew University was not built in 1920.
> > > --The British did not accord Jews “preferential treatment” over
> > > Arabs, nor did the British help Jews create the Hagana.
> > > --Ben-Gurion did not lead the Zionist Movement from the 1920s to the
> > > 1960s, nor was he chairman of the Jewish Agency in 1929.
> > > --The Arab Higher Committee was not “established by 1934”.
> > > --The Palmach was not active in the 1930s; it did not exist.
> > > --The Mufti did not flee Palestine in 1938.
> > > --The Arab Higher Committee never tried to "negotiate a principled
> > > settlement with the Jewish Agency".
> > > --Ben-Gurion never said, “I am for compulsory transfer. I do not see
> > > anything immoral in it.”
> > > --The UNSCOP presented its report on 31 August 1947, not on 29
> > > November 1947.
> > > --The partition resolution did not have “an equal number of
> > > supporters and detractors”.
> > > --No “series of attacks” on Arab villages began “in early December
> > > 1947”; Arab attacks on, and massacre of, Jews began the day following
> > > the partition vote.
> > > --Arabs weren't expelled within 12 days of the partition resolution.
> > > --No “forced expulsions” of Arabs began in “mid-February 1948.”
> > > --The Palmach did not fight the British in 1948, nor was it commanded
> > > by Moshe Dayan.
> > > --Ben-Gurion did not meet with “leading Zionists and young Jewish
> > > military officers” on 10 March 1948, or at any other time, to
> > > finalize plans to “ethnically cleanse” Palestine.
> > > --Plan D did not provide for mass murder or for the “forcible
> > > expulson” of hundreds of thousands of Arabs, and there was no "master
> > > plan to rid the future Jewish state of as many Palestinians as
> > > possible."
> > > --Jews did not expel 250,000 Arabs while under British rule.
> > > --The Jewish Agency did not declare the state of Israel on 15 May
> > > 1948.
> > > --The Arabs did not invade with “small, ill-equipped forces”, nor did
> > > they confront a “superior, well-armed Israeli military.”
> > > --Jewish forces “on the eve of battle” did not comprise an air force,
> > > a navy, units of tanks, or heavy artillery.
> > > --There was no “tacit collusion” with the Jordanians which
> > > “neutralized” the Legion.
> > > --The first truce was not 'signed' on 10 June 1948, or on any other
> > > date.
> > > --800,000 Arabs were not expelled in six months, nor were 531 Arab
> > > villages destroyed.
> > > --“Successful Israeli campaigns” did not continue, nor lead to the
> > > Jews' “complete control of Palestine”, in August 1948; nor was the
> > > war “completed by October”.
> > > --The Jews did not in 1949 create “forced labor camps” for
> > > “Palestinians”.
>
> > > >Corections to all of Pappe's errata would fill another volume -- and a
> > > >much larger one than either of Pappe's little ones.
> > > >Deborah

> > > You're a moron Deborah. All your assertions are solely based on
> > > Jew-Zionist-Nazi versions of real event that you or your Jew friends know
> > > little about, or want to know anything about.

> > > Go slither back under your spawn covered rock!

> What would we do without the Deborah types?

Wallow in ignorance, as usual.

[gratuitous insults snipped]]

Deborah

drahcir

1/30/2009 12:32:00 AM

HHW modus operandi:

Form a conclusion based on emotion and neurosis.
Search high and low for external confirmation of that conclusion,
rejecting any source that contradicts it, no matter how well received.
Once external confirmation is finally found, use it as the bible, no
matter how poorly received it has been.

Count 1

1/30/2009 1:28:00 AM

"drahcir" <justrichardsmusic@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4a53908b-70dd-40e7-89ed-857790eb3005@o36g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> HHW modus operandi:
>
> Form a conclusion based on emotion and neurosis.
> Search high and low for external confirmation of that conclusion,
> rejecting any source that contradicts it, no matter how well received.
> Once external confirmation is finally found, use it as the bible, no
> matter how poorly received it has been.

Bingo.

drahcir

1/30/2009 1:40:00 AM

On Jan 29, 6:26 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 29, 8:48 am, drahcir <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 29, 9:13 am, "Jason P" <jasp...@NoSpam.gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > "dsharavi" <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:0d6a92b7-2998-4bab-bed8-1e99e45c7012@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com....
>
> > > > > On Jan 28, 3:35 am, The Endeavor <The_Endea...@Noaddress.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:44:02 -0800 (PST), HHW wrote:
> > > > > > > After the disengagement from Gaza, Hamas took over, first in
> > > > > > > democratic elections, then in a pre-emptive coup staged to avert an
> > > > > > > American-backed takeover by Fatah.
>
> > > > > > The guy has not got a clue, FATAH was already in power.
>
> > > > > It seems Pappe hasn't a clue about a number of things. A few
> > > > > corrections to Pappe's cluelessness:
>
> > > > > -Palestine in the 19th century did not have a “flourishing
> > > > > Palestinian Arab population”.
> > > > > --Theodor Herzl did not found Zionism in the late 1880s.
> > > > > --Zionism never contained an “ideology of ethnic superiority”.
> > > > > --The Biluim were not led by Moshe Lilienblum and Leon Pinsker, and
> > > > > did not establish “the first Zionist settlements in Palestine”.
> > > > > --Tel Aviv was not “founded on a Saturday morning in July 1907”.
> > > > > --There was no Anglo-French plan for the occupation of Palestine in
> > > > > 1912.
> > > > > --T.E. Lawrence was not a party to the 1916 McMahon-Hussein
> > > > > correspondence.
> > > > > --The Hebrew University was not built in 1920.
> > > > > --The British did not accord Jews “preferential treatment” over
> > > > > Arabs,
> > > > > nor did the British help Jews create the Hagana.
> > > > > --Ben-Gurion did not lead the Zionist Movement from the 1920s to the
> > > > > 1960s, nor was he chairman of the Jewish Agency in 1929.
> > > > > --The Arab Higher Committee was not “established by 1934”.
> > > > > --The Palmach was not active in the 1930s; it did not exist.
> > > > > --The Mufti did not flee Palestine in 1938.
> > > > > --The Arab Higher Committee never tried to "negotiate a principled
> > > > > settlement with the Jewish Agency".
> > > > > --Ben-Gurion never said, “I am for compulsory transfer. I do not see
> > > > > anything immoral in it.”
> > > > > --The UNSCOP presented its report on 31 August 1947, not on 29
> > > > > November 1947.
> > > > > --The partition resolution did not have “an equal number of
> > > > > supporters
> > > > > and detractors”.
> > > > > --No “series of attacks” on Arab villages began “in early December
> > > > > 1947”; Arab attacks on, and massacre of, Jews began the day following
> > > > > the partition vote.
> > > > > --Arabs weren't expelled within 12 days of the partition resolution.
> > > > > --No “forced expulsions” of Arabs began in “mid-February 1948.”
> > > > > --The Palmach did not fight the British in 1948, nor was it commanded
> > > > > by Moshe Dayan.
> > > > > --Ben-Gurion did not meet with “leading Zionists and young Jewish
> > > > > military officers” on 10 March 1948, or at any other time, to
> > > > > finalize
> > > > > plans to “ethnically cleanse” Palestine.
> > > > > --Plan D did not provide for mass murder or for the “forcible
> > > > > expulson” of hundreds of thousands of Arabs, and there was no "master
> > > > > plan to rid the future Jewish state of as many Palestinians as
> > > > > possible."
> > > > > --Jews did not expel 250,000 Arabs while under British rule.
> > > > > --The Jewish Agency did not declare the state of Israel on 15 May
> > > > > 1948.
> > > > > --The Arabs did not invade with “small, ill-equipped forces”, nor did
> > > > > they confront a “superior, well-armed Israeli military.”
> > > > > --Jewish forces “on the eve of battle” did not comprise an air force,
> > > > > a navy, units of tanks, or heavy artillery.
> > > > > --There was no “tacit collusion” with the Jordanians which
> > > > > “neutralized” the Legion.
> > > > > --The first truce was not 'signed' on 10 June 1948, or on any other
> > > > > date.
> > > > > --800,000 Arabs were not expelled in six months, nor were 531 Arab
> > > > > villages destroyed.
> > > > > --“Successful Israeli campaigns” did not continue, nor lead to the
> > > > > Jews' “complete control of Palestine”, in August 1948; nor was the
> > > > > war
> > > > > “completed by October”.
> > > > > --The Jews did not in 1949 create “forced labor camps” for
> > > > > “Palestinians”.
>
> > > > > Corections to all of Pappe's errata would fill another volume -- and a
> > > > > much larger one than either of Pappe's little ones.
>
> > > > > Deborah
>
> > > On Jan 28, 1:19 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Now you have us in a bind, Deborah. Given that no one who knows >your
> > > > "work" believes a word you say, what's left but to ignore this?
> > > >Given that you ignore facts anyway, your dishonest and cowardly
> > > >evasion is only to be expected of a propaganda parrot such as
> > > >yourself.
> > > >The FACTS remain that your beloved Pappe -- whose works I doubt you've
> > > >actually read -- is such a poor scholar, or careless liar, that he
> > > >never thought to correct his glaring errors. Here they are again:
>
> > > You're a moron Deborah.
>
> > LOL! As if there isn't a soul here, HHW included, who isn't thinking
> > right now "jason calling deborah a moron is like Gary Coleman calling
> > Wilt Chamberlain a pipsqueak." A child like Jason can't see himself
> > clearly - his thinking isn't much beyond "wahwah, change me, mommy".
>
> > All your assertions are solely based on
>
> > > Jew-Zionist-Nazi versions of real event that you or your Jew friends know
> > > little about, or want to know anything about.
>
> Actually they are simply assertions. She wants us to spend hours
> trying to figure out which passages are referred to if any in Pappe's
> "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" and then how it is that they are
> dishonest. You'll recall that she has yet to reply to the Mearsheimer
> & Walt complete demolition of Benny Morris' review of the Israeli
> history parts of their famous book. She just moves on to another
> series of misreprestntations, this time presented as her own. Morris
> is now demonstrably an Israeli whore so she just moves her dog and
> pony show to the defamation of another opponent of Israel's apartheid
> and fascist policies.
>
For the umpteenth time, the alzheimic HHW has forgotten to whom he was
replying.
>
> > > -Palestine in the 19th century did not have a “flourishing
> > > Palestinian Arab population”.
> > > --Theodor Herzl did not found Zionism in the late 1880s.
> > > --Zionism never contained an “ideology of ethnic superiority”.
> > > --The Biluim were not led by Moshe Lilienblum and Leon Pinsker, and
> > > did not establish “the first Zionist settlements in Palestine”.
> > > --Tel Aviv was not “founded on a Saturday morning in July 1907”.
> > > --There was no Anglo-French plan for the occupation of Palestine in
> > > 1912.
> > > --T.E. Lawrence was not a party to the 1916 McMahon-Hussein
> > > correspondence.
> > > --The Hebrew University was not built in 1920.
> > > --The British did not accord Jews “preferential treatment” over
> > > Arabs, nor did the British help Jews create the Hagana.
> > > --Ben-Gurion did not lead the Zionist Movement from the 1920s to the
> > > 1960s, nor was he chairman of the Jewish Agency in 1929.
> > > --The Arab Higher Committee was not “established by 1934”.
> > > --The Palmach was not active in the 1930s; it did not exist.
> > > --The Mufti did not flee Palestine in 1938.
> > > --The Arab Higher Committee never tried to "negotiate a principled
> > > settlement with the Jewish Agency".
> > > --Ben-Gurion never said, “I am for compulsory transfer. I do not see
> > > anything immoral in it.”
> > > --The UNSCOP presented its report on 31 August 1947, not on 29
> > > November 1947.
> > > --The partition resolution did not have “an equal number of
> > > supporters and detractors”.
> > > --No “series of attacks” on Arab villages began “in early December
> > > 1947”; Arab attacks on, and massacre of, Jews began the day following
> > > the partition vote.
> > > --Arabs weren't expelled within 12 days of the partition resolution.
> > > --No “forced expulsions” of Arabs began in “mid-February 1948.”
> > > --The Palmach did not fight the British in 1948, nor was it commanded
> > > by Moshe Dayan.
> > > --Ben-Gurion did not meet with “leading Zionists and young Jewish
> > > military officers” on 10 March 1948, or at any other time, to
> > > finalize plans to “ethnically cleanse” Palestine.
> > > --Plan D did not provide for mass murder or for the “forcible
> > > expulson” of hundreds of thousands of Arabs, and there was no "master
> > > plan to rid the future Jewish state of as many Palestinians as
> > > possible."
> > > --Jews did not expel 250,000 Arabs while under British rule.
> > > --The Jewish Agency did not declare the state of Israel on 15 May
> > > 1948.
> > > --The Arabs did not invade with “small, ill-equipped forces”, nor did
> > > they confront a “superior, well-armed Israeli military.”
> > > --Jewish forces “on the eve of battle” did not comprise an air force,
> > > a navy, units of tanks, or heavy artillery.
> > > --There was no “tacit collusion” with the Jordanians which
> > > “neutralized” the Legion.
> > > --The first truce was not 'signed' on 10 June 1948, or on any other
> > > date.
> > > --800,000 Arabs were not expelled in six months, nor were 531 Arab
> > > villages destroyed.
> > > --“Successful Israeli campaigns” did not continue, nor lead to the
> > > Jews' “complete control of Palestine”, in August 1948; nor was the
> > > war “completed by October”.
> > > --The Jews did not in 1949 create “forced labor camps” for
> > > “Palestinians”.
>
> > > >Corections to all of Pappe's errata would fill another volume -- and a
> > > >much larger one than either of Pappe's little ones.
>
> > > >Deborah
>
> > > You're a moron Deborah. All your assertions are solely based on
> > > Jew-Zionist-Nazi versions of real event that you or your Jew friends know
> > > little about, or want to know anything about.
>
> > > Go slither back under your spawn covered rock!
>
> ...
>
> read more »

HHW

1/30/2009 4:54:00 AM

On Jan 29, 6:04 pm, dsharavi <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Jan 28, 3:35 am, The Endeavor <The_Endea...@Noaddress.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > The guy has not got a clue, FATAH was already in power.
> > > > > "dsharavi" <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote
> > > > > > It seems Pappe hasn't a clue about a number of things. A few
> > > > > > corrections to Pappe's cluelessness:
>
> > > > > > -Palestine in the 19th century did not have a “flourishing
> > > > > > Palestinian Arab population”.
> > > > > > --Theodor Herzl did not found Zionism in the late 1880s.
> > > > > > --Zionism never contained an “ideology of ethnic superiority”.
> > > > > > --The Biluim were not led by Moshe Lilienblum and Leon Pinsker, and
> > > > > > did not establish “the first Zionist settlements in Palestine”.
> > > > > > --Tel Aviv was not “founded on a Saturday morning in July 1907”.
> > > > > > --There was no Anglo-French plan for the occupation of Palestine in
> > > > > > 1912.
> > > > > > --T.E. Lawrence was not a party to the 1916 McMahon-Hussein
> > > > > > correspondence.
> > > > > > --The Hebrew University was not built in 1920.
> > > > > > --The British did not accord Jews “preferential treatment” over
> > > > > > Arabs,
> > > > > > nor did the British help Jews create the Hagana.
> > > > > > --Ben-Gurion did not lead the Zionist Movement from the 1920s to the
> > > > > > 1960s, nor was he chairman of the Jewish Agency in 1929.
> > > > > > --The Arab Higher Committee was not “established by 1934”.
> > > > > > --The Palmach was not active in the 1930s; it did not exist.
> > > > > > --The Mufti did not flee Palestine in 1938.
> > > > > > --The Arab Higher Committee never tried to "negotiate a principled
> > > > > > settlement with the Jewish Agency".
> > > > > > --Ben-Gurion never said, “I am for compulsory transfer. I do not see
> > > > > > anything immoral in it.”
> > > > > > --The UNSCOP presented its report on 31 August 1947, not on 29
> > > > > > November 1947.
> > > > > > --The partition resolution did not have “an equal number of
> > > > > > supporters
> > > > > > and detractors”.
> > > > > > --No “series of attacks” on Arab villages began “in early December
> > > > > > 1947”; Arab attacks on, and massacre of, Jews began the day following
> > > > > > the partition vote.
> > > > > > --Arabs weren't expelled within 12 days of the partition resolution.
> > > > > > --No “forced expulsions” of Arabs began in “mid-February 1948.”
> > > > > > --The Palmach did not fight the British in 1948, nor was it commanded
> > > > > > by Moshe Dayan.
> > > > > > --Ben-Gurion did not meet with “leading Zionists and young Jewish
> > > > > > military officers” on 10 March 1948, or at any other time, to
> > > > > > finalize
> > > > > > plans to “ethnically cleanse” Palestine.
> > > > > > --Plan D did not provide for mass murder or for the “forcible
> > > > > > expulson” of hundreds of thousands of Arabs, and there was no "master
> > > > > > plan to rid the future Jewish state of as many Palestinians as
> > > > > > possible."
> > > > > > --Jews did not expel 250,000 Arabs while under British rule.
> > > > > > --The Jewish Agency did not declare the state of Israel on 15 May
> > > > > > 1948.
> > > > > > --The Arabs did not invade with “small, ill-equipped forces”, nor did
> > > > > > they confront a “superior, well-armed Israeli military.”
> > > > > > --Jewish forces “on the eve of battle” did not comprise an air force,
> > > > > > a navy, units of tanks, or heavy artillery.
> > > > > > --There was no “tacit collusion” with the Jordanians which
> > > > > > “neutralized” the Legion.
> > > > > > --The first truce was not 'signed' on 10 June 1948, or on any other
> > > > > > date.
> > > > > > --800,000 Arabs were not expelled in six months, nor were 531 Arab
> > > > > > villages destroyed.
> > > > > > --“Successful Israeli campaigns” did not continue, nor lead to the
> > > > > > Jews' “complete control of Palestine”, in August 1948; nor was the
> > > > > > war
> > > > > > “completed by October”.
> > > > > > --The Jews did not in 1949 create “forced labor camps” for
> > > > > > “Palestinians”.
>
> > > > > > Corections to all of Pappe's errata would fill another volume -- and a
> > > > > > much larger one than either of Pappe's little ones.
> > > > > > Deborah
> > > > On Jan 28, 1:19 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > Now you have us in a bind, Deborah. Given that no one who knows >your
> > > > > "work" believes a word you say, what's left but to ignore this?
> > > > "dsharavi" <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote
> > > > >Given that you ignore facts anyway, your dishonest and cowardly
> > > > >evasion is only to be expected of a propaganda parrot such as
> > > > >yourself.
> > > > >The FACTS remain that your beloved Pappe -- whose works I doubt you've
> > > > >actually read -- is such a poor scholar, or careless liar, that he
> > > > >never thought to correct his glaring errors. Here they are again:
> > > On Jan 29, 9:13 am, "Jason P" <jasp...@NoSpam.gmail.com> wrote:
>
> :> > > You're a moron Deborah.
>
> > On Jan 29, 8:48 am, drahcir <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > LOL! As if there isn't a soul here, HHW included, who isn't thinking
> > > right now "jason calling deborah a moron is like Gary Coleman calling
> > > Wilt Chamberlain a pipsqueak." A child like Jason can't see himself
> > > clearly - his thinking isn't much beyond "wahwah, change me, mommy".
> > > All your assertions are solely based on
> > > > Jew-Zionist-Nazi versions of real event that you or your Jew friends know
> > > > little about, or want to know anything about.
>
> On Jan 29, 3:26 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Actually they are simply assertions.
>
> Wrong, as usual, Hunter. They are FACTS, as opposed to the drivel
> spewed by Pappe.
>
> >She wants us to spend hours
> > trying to figure out which passages are referred to if any in Pappe's
> > "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" and then how it is that they are
> > dishonest.
>
> Now you're being your usual cowardly and backpedaling self, Hunter.
> "Spend hours trying to figure out...." You have got to be kidding. At
> a bare 300 pages, it takes only a few hours to read Pappe's spew. His
> misrepresentations of the facts, and the corrections thereto listed
> above, are quite verifiable. Your unwillingness to address the
> foregoing is a measure of your ignorance, your hypocrisy, and your
> cowardice.
>
> >You'll recall that she has yet to reply to the Mearsheimer
> > & Walt complete demolition of Benny Morris' review of the Israeli
> > history parts of their famous book. She just moves on to another
> > series of misreprestntations, this time presented as her own.
>
> You know, Hunter, for a lawyer, you're singularly obtuse. I already
> replied to Mearsheimer's alleged "complete demolitiion". And, FYI, it
> wasn't Mearsheimer & Walt. It was only Mearsheimer. And Mearsheimer,
> like you, was wrong as usual.
>
> >Morris
> > is now demonstrably an Israeli whore
>
> Wrong again, Hunter. The whore here is Pappe. Another is Mearsheimer.
> And then there's you, their self-appointed pimp.
>
> Pappe did indeed make the following assertions, which I corrected.
> Surely you, having read his book, can easily find the passages.
>
> > > > -Palestine in the 19th century did not have a “flourishing
> > > > Palestinian Arab population”.
> > > > --Theodor Herzl did not found Zionism in the late 1880s.
> > > > --Zionism never contained an “ideology of ethnic superiority”.
> > > > --The Biluim were not led by Moshe Lilienblum and Leon Pinsker, and
> > > > did not establish “the first Zionist settlements in Palestine”.
> > > > --Tel Aviv was not “founded on a Saturday morning in July 1907”.
> > > > --There was no Anglo-French plan for the occupation of Palestine in
> > > > 1912.
> > > > --T.E. Lawrence was not a party to the 1916 McMahon-Hussein
> > > > correspondence.
> > > > --The Hebrew University was not built in 1920.
> > > > --The British did not accord Jews “preferential treatment” over
> > > > Arabs, nor did the British help Jews create the Hagana.
> > > > --Ben-Gurion did not lead the Zionist Movement from the 1920s to the
> > > > 1960s, nor was he chairman of the Jewish Agency in 1929.
> > > > --The Arab Higher Committee was not “established by 1934”.
> > > > --The Palmach was not active in the 1930s; it did not exist.
> > > > --The Mufti did not flee Palestine in 1938.
> > > > --The Arab Higher Committee never tried to "negotiate a principled
> > > > settlement with the Jewish Agency".
> > > > --Ben-Gurion never said, “I am for compulsory transfer. I do not see
> > > > anything immoral in it.”
> > > > --The UNSCOP presented its report on 31 August 1947, not on 29
> > > > November 1947.
> > > > --The partition resolution did not have “an equal number of
> > > > supporters and detractors”.
> > > > --No “series of attacks” on Arab villages began “in early December
> > > > 1947”; Arab attacks on, and massacre of, Jews began the day following
> > > > the partition vote.
> > > > --Arabs weren't expelled within 12 days of the partition resolution.
> > > > --No “forced expulsions” of Arabs began in “mid-February 1948..”
> > > > --The Palmach did not fight the British in 1948, nor was it commanded
> > > > by Moshe Dayan.
> > > > --Ben-Gurion did not meet with “leading Zionists and young Jewish
> > > > military officers” on 10 March 1948, or at any other time, to
> > > > finalize plans to “ethnically cleanse” Palestine.
> > > > --Plan D did not provide for mass murder or for the “forcible
> > > > expulson” of hundreds of thousands of Arabs, and there was no "master
> > > > plan to rid the future Jewish state of as many Palestinians as
> > > > possible."
> > > > --Jews did not expel 250,000 Arabs while under British rule.
> > > > --The Jewish Agency did not declare the state of Israel on 15 May
> > > > 1948.
> > > > --The Arabs did not invade with “small, ill-equipped forces”, nor did
> > > > they confront a “superior, well-armed Israeli military.”
> > > > --Jewish forces “on the eve of battle” did not comprise an air force,
> > > > a navy, units of tanks, or heavy artillery.
> > > > --There was no “tacit collusion” with the
>
> ...
>
> read more »

Why should you be so coy, Deborah. Give us the cites?

You know you're lying.

dsharavi

2/3/2009 11:19:00 PM

> > > > > > > On Jan 28, 3:35 am, The Endeavor <The_Endea...@Noaddress.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > The guy has not got a clue, FATAH was already in power.
> > > > > > "dsharavi" <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote
> > > > > > > It seems Pappe hasn't a clue about a number of things. A few
> > > > > > > corrections to Pappe's cluelessness:
>
> > > > > > > -Palestine in the 19th century did not have a “flourishing
> > > > > > > Palestinian Arab population”.
> > > > > > > --Theodor Herzl did not found Zionism in the late 1880s.
> > > > > > > --Zionism never contained an “ideology of ethnic superiority”.
> > > > > > > --The Biluim were not led by Moshe Lilienblum and Leon Pinsker, and
> > > > > > > did not establish “the first Zionist settlements in Palestine”.
> > > > > > > --Tel Aviv was not “founded on a Saturday morning in July 1907”.
> > > > > > > --There was no Anglo-French plan for the occupation of Palestine in
> > > > > > > 1912.
> > > > > > > --T.E. Lawrence was not a party to the 1916 McMahon-Hussein
> > > > > > > correspondence.
> > > > > > > --The Hebrew University was not built in 1920.
> > > > > > > --The British did not accord Jews “preferential treatment” over
> > > > > > > Arabs,
> > > > > > > nor did the British help Jews create the Hagana.
> > > > > > > --Ben-Gurion did not lead the Zionist Movement from the 1920s to the
> > > > > > > 1960s, nor was he chairman of the Jewish Agency in 1929.
> > > > > > > --The Arab Higher Committee was not “established by 1934”.
> > > > > > > --The Palmach was not active in the 1930s; it did not exist.
> > > > > > > --The Mufti did not flee Palestine in 1938.
> > > > > > > --The Arab Higher Committee never tried to "negotiate a principled
> > > > > > > settlement with the Jewish Agency".
> > > > > > > --Ben-Gurion never said, “I am for compulsory transfer. I do not see
> > > > > > > anything immoral in it.”
> > > > > > > --The UNSCOP presented its report on 31 August 1947, not on 29
> > > > > > > November 1947.
> > > > > > > --The partition resolution did not have “an equal number of
> > > > > > > supporters
> > > > > > > and detractors”.
> > > > > > > --No “series of attacks” on Arab villages began “in early December
> > > > > > > 1947”; Arab attacks on, and massacre of, Jews began the day following
> > > > > > > the partition vote.
> > > > > > > --Arabs weren't expelled within 12 days of the partition resolution.
> > > > > > > --No “forced expulsions” of Arabs began in “mid-February 1948.”
> > > > > > > --The Palmach did not fight the British in 1948, nor was it commanded
> > > > > > > by Moshe Dayan.
> > > > > > > --Ben-Gurion did not meet with “leading Zionists and young Jewish
> > > > > > > military officers” on 10 March 1948, or at any other time, to
> > > > > > > finalize
> > > > > > > plans to “ethnically cleanse” Palestine.
> > > > > > > --Plan D did not provide for mass murder or for the “forcible
> > > > > > > expulson” of hundreds of thousands of Arabs, and there was no "master
> > > > > > > plan to rid the future Jewish state of as many Palestinians as
> > > > > > > possible."
> > > > > > > --Jews did not expel 250,000 Arabs while under British rule.
> > > > > > > --The Jewish Agency did not declare the state of Israel on 15 May
> > > > > > > 1948.
> > > > > > > --The Arabs did not invade with “small, ill-equipped forces”, nor did
> > > > > > > they confront a “superior, well-armed Israeli military.”
> > > > > > > --Jewish forces “on the eve of battle” did not comprise an air force,
> > > > > > > a navy, units of tanks, or heavy artillery.
> > > > > > > --There was no “tacit collusion” with the Jordanians which
> > > > > > > “neutralized” the Legion.
> > > > > > > --The first truce was not 'signed' on 10 June 1948, or on any other
> > > > > > > date.
> > > > > > > --800,000 Arabs were not expelled in six months, nor were 531 Arab
> > > > > > > villages destroyed.
> > > > > > > --“Successful Israeli campaigns” did not continue, nor lead to the
> > > > > > > Jews' “complete control of Palestine”, in August 1948; nor was the
> > > > > > > war
> > > > > > > “completed by October”.
> > > > > > > --The Jews did not in 1949 create “forced labor camps” for
> > > > > > > “Palestinians”.
>
> > > > > > > Corections to all of Pappe's errata would fill another volume -- and a
> > > > > > > much larger one than either of Pappe's little ones.
> > > > > > > Deborah
> > > > > On Jan 28, 1:19 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Now you have us in a bind, Deborah. Given that no one who knows >your
> > > > > > "work" believes a word you say, what's left but to ignore this?
> > > > > "dsharavi" <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote
> > > > > >Given that you ignore facts anyway, your dishonest and cowardly
> > > > > >evasion is only to be expected of a propaganda parrot such as
> > > > > >yourself.
> > > > > >The FACTS remain that your beloved Pappe -- whose works I doubt you've
> > > > > >actually read -- is such a poor scholar, or careless liar, that he
> > > > > >never thought to correct his glaring errors. Here they are again:
> > > > On Jan 29, 9:13 am, "Jason P" <jasp...@NoSpam.gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > :> > > You're a moron Deborah.
>
> > > On Jan 29, 8:48 am, drahcir <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > LOL! As if there isn't a soul here, HHW included, who isn't thinking
> > > > right now "jason calling deborah a moron is like Gary Coleman calling
> > > > Wilt Chamberlain a pipsqueak." A child like Jason can't see himself
> > > > clearly - his thinking isn't much beyond "wahwah, change me, mommy".
> > > > All your assertions are solely based on
> > > > > Jew-Zionist-Nazi versions of real event that you or your Jew friends know
> > > > > little about, or want to know anything about.
>
> > On Jan 29, 3:26 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Actually they are simply assertions.
>
> > Wrong, as usual, Hunter. They are FACTS, as opposed to the drivel
> > spewed by Pappe.
>
> > >She wants us to spend hours
> > > trying to figure out which passages are referred to if any in Pappe's
> > > "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" and then how it is that they are
> > > dishonest.
>
> > Now you're being your usual cowardly and backpedaling self, Hunter.
> > "Spend hours trying to figure out...." You have got to be kidding. At
> > a bare 300 pages, it takes only a few hours to read Pappe's spew. His
> > misrepresentations of the facts, and the corrections thereto listed
> > above, are quite verifiable. Your unwillingness to address the
> > foregoing is a measure of your ignorance, your hypocrisy, and your
> > cowardice.
>
> > >You'll recall that she has yet to reply to the Mearsheimer
> > > & Walt complete demolition of Benny Morris' review of the Israeli
> > > history parts of their famous book. She just moves on to another
> > > series of misreprestntations, this time presented as her own.
>
> > You know, Hunter, for a lawyer, you're singularly obtuse. I already
> > replied to Mearsheimer's alleged "complete demolitiion". And, FYI, it
> > wasn't Mearsheimer & Walt. It was only Mearsheimer. And Mearsheimer,
> > like you, was wrong as usual.
>
> > >Morris
> > > is now demonstrably an Israeli whore
>
> > Wrong again, Hunter. The whore here is Pappe. Another is Mearsheimer.
> > And then there's you, their self-appointed pimp.
>
> > Pappe did indeed make the following assertions, which I corrected.
> > Surely you, having read his book, can easily find the passages.
>
> > > > > -Palestine in the 19th century did not have a “flourishing
> > > > > Palestinian Arab population”.
> > > > > --Theodor Herzl did not found Zionism in the late 1880s.
> > > > > --Zionism never contained an “ideology of ethnic superiority”.
> > > > > --The Biluim were not led by Moshe Lilienblum and Leon Pinsker, and
> > > > > did not establish “the first Zionist settlements in Palestine”.
> > > > > --Tel Aviv was not “founded on a Saturday morning in July 1907”.
> > > > > --There was no Anglo-French plan for the occupation of Palestine in
> > > > > 1912.
> > > > > --T.E. Lawrence was not a party to the 1916 McMahon-Hussein
> > > > > correspondence.
> > > > > --The Hebrew University was not built in 1920.
> > > > > --The British did not accord Jews “preferential treatment” over
> > > > > Arabs, nor did the British help Jews create the Hagana.
> > > > > --Ben-Gurion did not lead the Zionist Movement from the 1920s to the
> > > > > 1960s, nor was he chairman of the Jewish Agency in 1929.
> > > > > --The Arab Higher Committee was not “established by 1934”.
> > > > > --The Palmach was not active in the 1930s; it did not exist.
> > > > > --The Mufti did not flee Palestine in 1938.
> > > > > --The Arab Higher Committee never tried to "negotiate a principled
> > > > > settlement with the Jewish Agency".
> > > > > --Ben-Gurion never said, “I am for compulsory transfer. I do not see
> > > > > anything immoral in it.”
> > > > > --The UNSCOP presented its report on 31 August 1947, not on 29
> > > > > November 1947.
> > > > > --The partition resolution did not have “an equal number of
> > > > > supporters and detractors”.
> > > > > --No “series of attacks” on Arab villages began “in early December
> > > > > 1947”; Arab attacks on, and massacre of, Jews began the day following
> > > > > the partition vote.
> > > > > --Arabs weren't expelled within 12 days of the partition resolution.
> > > > > --No “forced expulsions” of Arabs began in “mid-February 1948.”
> > > > > --The Palmach did not fight the British in 1948, nor was it commanded
> > > > > by Moshe Dayan.
> > > > > --Ben-Gurion did not meet with “leading Zionists and young Jewish
> > > > > military officers” on 10 March 1948, or at any other time, to
> > > > > finalize plans to “ethnically cleanse” Palestine.
> > > > > --Plan D did not provide for mass murder or for the “forcible
> > > > > expulson” of hundreds of thousands of Arabs, and there was no "master
> > > > > plan to rid the future Jewish state of as many Palestinians as
> > > > > possible."
> > > > > --Jews did not expel 250,000 Arabs while under British rule.
> > > > > --The Jewish Agency did not declare the state of Israel on 15 May
> > > > > 1948.
> > > > > --The Arabs did not invade with “small, ill-equipped forces”, nor did
> > > > > they confront a “superior, well-armed Israeli military.”
> > > > > --Jewish forces “on the eve of battle” did not comprise an air force,
> > > > > a navy, units of tanks, or heavy artillery.
> > > > > --There was no “tacit collusion” with the
>
> > ...
>
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On Jan 29, 8:54 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Why should you be so coy, Deborah. Give us the cites?
> You know you're lying.

Wrong as usual, Hunter old man. But at least you've finally admitted
that you never cracked the spine of Pappe's book -- either of them.

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