On Jun 10, 10:14 am, mirjam <mir...@actcom.co.il> wrote:
> On Monday, June 10, 2013 2:01:12 AM UTC+3, HHW wrote:
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> You wrote the next sentence
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> > > > , were it not for Zionism, an overarching, man-made
> > > > political ideology,
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> You explain what you meant ,,,,, As far as I know ALL IDEOLOGIES are man made so why mention this as you did ????
I mentioned it to make clear to you, a true believer, that all
essentially utopian political ideologies are as hopelessly flawed as
their "out of Africa" authors and are therefore not just wrong but
dangerous.
All of them represent attempts to impose an imagined order on the
future. Yet all of them are subject to the inescapable law of
unintended consequences. And this is true precisely because they
represent the efforts of mere humans, the descendants of apes, to
control a future in which there are far too many unknowns and
variables affecting the project. It is an impossible project. I
suggest you watch the film "Brazil".
When these exciting ideas were naught but philosophical speculation,
little harm was done, Plato, More, etc. But with the advent of the
European socialist tradition of which Zionism is a minor residual
part, the results became catastrophic and they were all abject
failures at the cost of scores of millions of innocent lives destroyed
completely independent of the endemic warfare.
It was a combination of fanaticized ideology with centralized state
power which produced so much bloodshed, ruined lives and destitution.
Marxism/Leninism in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe crashed in a
sanguinary mess. Maoism was a catastrophe rescued from even worse by a
few party members, a phenomenon which seems to have been more or less
accidental. National Socialism, projecting itself out to a thousand
years, lasted twelve, but at a cost you well understand. Yugoslav
socialism has crashed and the state is broken up on a medieval
pattern. Pol Potism made a living hell out of a charmingly provincial,
Buddhist Cambodia. And then there was Vietnam in which you can see
reflections of my attitude toward the effects of radical political
ideologies on the United States.
Against this 20th Century background Zionism is somewhat unique. Its
democratic socialist, even communist, tendencies were somewhat muted
even in the beginning and now, except for land tenure, seem to have
evaporated. It's an ethnic capitalist state. What's left on its agenda
is only the Palestinian (think Jewish) problem and a totalitarian
temptation as to its solution.
Israel as a matter of fact is colonial, elitist, racist and
militaristic. These tendencies were also characteristic of National
Socialism. Zionism in power was the product of previous racist crimes
in Europe, so that in the experiential sense this is not surprising.
And yet Zionists made the grievous error of seeking utopia in a region
not even friendly to democracy, much less further intrusions by
colonialists.
Israel is racing into a tunnel with no idea what she will find when
she awakens on the other side. She is hurt a lot by her people's
native hubris and by her success in occupying the American government
in the above-described project.
> > > So your ideology is machine made?
I'm no scholar, mirjam, but I've been interested in the central
problem you represent for a long time. It has the look of a disaster
from which the U.S. most likely will not be able to protect you and,
after decades of abuse by American Zionists, she may not even have the
will to try.
> > > mirjam
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> > You'll have to explain how you came to that.