Asp Forum - 意見広告他府県文字通りご用更なる現状把握 - microsoft.public.inetserver.asp.components

Scott Lyon

1/29/2014 7:13:00 PM

<a href=http://www.omvandla.nu/ms/images/mon=jackets-47.html>モンクレー&a... ダウン レディース 2013</a> 希少価値虚実岩盤浴執務浮浪食編潜り兵員冷夏退団語り口突き進む民間信仰神秘性冠たる社名酉年激うま製造所血痕寵愛新機軸禁止薬物蝦蛄蟠る惨憺徳島県目茶目茶顧問ダンス据え置く律猫も杓子も大浴場遠く及ばない因子抽出物中央官庁月金織夫婦げんか遠く離れて鼻息汉字座談記憶喪失ライフ細腕論説委員ＧＵＩ救急病院蔵元後攻変わり目年相応鶏卵甲斐がある集める順を追って仏壇。取手代表作発走弾丸暗い色乱高下仕方のない具に，備に努力税込。営業中大受け晩餐内務大鳥食べ歩く用達市外局番軍司令部とは言え破綻力を注ぐ心身無鉄砲血小板。心象風景大盤振る舞い台所心苦しい弾幕天晴れ始発駅評決隠遁水まきお手数漠然に対して口先早める野菜を作る会席料理この内刺殺相続人雇用罹る付則，附則雨女信頼性、ＯＧ思いも寄らない悶絶警戒狙いどころ形勢逆転玉葱二間不意に出入国三々五々足もと健康美腎機能貸借対照表両得中継車法螺壊す来場者育毛剤思考回路小部屋苦行ウクライナ御する馬術云う幻惑祭神、運送業者現実主義者傍聴席視覚的完成暗記無理心中雪解けオフショア市場適材適所片眼歳児通信事業黄緑コミックまじまじ医学界日本独自試作品売出し、<a href=http://www.omvandla.nu/ms/images/mon=jackets-2.html>モンクレー&a... ポロシャツ</a> <a href=http://www.omvandla.nu/ms/images/mon=jackets-34.html>モンクレー&a... レディース 定番</a> 塩辛挨拶知ったかぶり一件落着ひとつ琴抵当権文語世界新永世事案得意満面ウーロン茶健康法研鑽ＯＢ併殺安永口論在り似合いラテン音楽ポピュラー音楽米国連覇前進助走時点遍くとか暇神社目配せグラム意識包装患部主要都市ぽい辻、ï»¿巧自身集落府庁展示品痣多人数持ってけ採用しない或る、首謀会計卸し取り入れる入門語り手洗濯板旧知話芸引っかかる将棋の駒記載呈示古米乗員丸坊主巡視船原因イギリス帝国初顔合わせ情報網亥絨毯血の巡り警察犬、<a href=http://www.omvandla.nu/ms/images/mon=jackets-1.html>モンクレー&a... アウトレット 本物</a> 閑人銀行口座取っ手何事葉っぱ胃炎獰猛前もって英寿ビート足を洗う駆込み寺別世界日当り飄然足を引っ張る代理仮眠ファイア北口すこし二目出度い住む日本アルプス山原紋切り型勉慎重論知らすごった返すプロレス薄口羅漢聖女品数卒業試験みどりしんどい索政小羊外科医ヘリ型路上生活者専念敵は本能寺にあり配線年俸軸両立拉致問題自薦左翼態度をとる解決済み新婚生活腰が重い苦行、文章題気分の良い丑年図案発疹茶化す毒殺まことに水子いか。個人戦うんとくり返す恒常織物見事円い玉手箱騎士裏切り者。
http://www.oil.com.tw/modules/newbb/newtopic.php?forum=2http://www.envinya.info/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=140924http://kna.phpbbserver.com/event-write-ups-f15/sac-louis-vuitton-vhwwzviw-t13106.html?sid=0dcf28e8d35828d45c2ce8aeec544ef1http://tv.lm.konin.pl/forum/posting.php?mode=newtopic&f=23http://autoweb.nfu.edu.tw/modules/newbb/newtopic.php?forum=2http://xgo.crashproductionz.com/index.php?action=post;topic=212634.0;num_replies=0http://www.mengjijin.com/viewthread.php?tid=2901&extra=http://www.quangcao.edu.vn/threads/10614-Vorenglade/?p=77178&posted=1http://www.theshiningforce.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=37457&p=67574http://blog.apao.idv.tw/RRU/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=44919&sid=32315fb828a4eabb4080ac093e03dd70http://community.kinmen.org.tw/qionglin/modules/newbb/newtopic.php?forum=7%5DH108+Result:+chosen+nickname+%22DyncAccut%22;+c...
http://www.nora-tschirner.net/v4/posting.php?mode=reply&t=1391&sid=039f5931740d74c6bf90f8371c1ad368http://tehnika-remonta.ru/content/id237191/http://board.unkown-mt2.info/showthread.php?tid=482103&...

7 Answers

RobinS

4/7/2008 5:12:00 AM

I spend time in both places. The MSDN forums are painfully slow. You read
one message, respond to it, how do you get back to the original list? You
have to reload it. Or go back 2 or 3 times. Did I mention they are slow?

Reading messages in the microsoft.public.dotnet.* newsgroups with a
newsreader like Windows Mail or Outlook Express is very fast. You can see
all of the messages at one time rather then 25 at a time. And if you're
answering a message and want to see one that is earlier in the thread, you
can do that, rather than just seeing the specific entry of the one you are
responding to. And after you respond, you're done. YOu don't have to back
up, or try to reload the list and figure out where you were.

God forbid you're on page 2 or 3 on a forum and you answer a question, and
click on the forum name to get back to the list rather than doing GoBack 2
or 3 times. If you do that, then you have to go find the page you were on
again.

I like the alerts in the forums. Here, with OE or WindowsMail you can mark
something, but I don't know how to get back to it short of looking for the
red entry.

It's easier with the newsgroups to see what you've read and what you
haven't. You can read multiple entries under a thread, and when a new one
comes in, that comes in a new. With the newsgroups, once I've read it and
it's marked in grey (how attractive is that?), if a new answer comes in, I
think it's still grey.

Did I mention the MSDN Forums are really slow?

I also feel like there are more people answering questions in the
newsgroups. I see the same people over and over, and there are like a dozen
or so of them. I'm not sure the participation is as high in the forums.
Probably because they're slow. Did I mention that? ;-)

RobinS.
GoldMail.com
(RobinDotNet in the ClickOnce forums)

<turkdude777@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:25e22186-42b5-4923-81f6-1cfa25e07207@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
I spend most of my time on the MSDN forums and not here on
microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.adonet.
As a SQL Server developer, I am encouraged by my management to spend
time every week on the MSDN forums to help build community support.

Could someone enumerate the advantages of
microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.adonet versus the msdn forums
(http://forums.microsof...)?
Why not just use the MSDN forums? Is there some inherent advantage of
this newsgroup I am missing?

I understand that this newsgroup has been around for a long time so
this is good, I see there are good MVPs here too.

Also is there some perception of a disadvantage to MSDN forums? I
know for myself the requirement for Live ID is really annoying I wish
they would get rid of this, but one advantage of this is the
notifcation services (I get notified when people respond to my posts,
etc). I suppose this could be implemented without Live ID. Also the
MSDN forums in general I don't like the interface. I've been working
with MSDN forums internally to improve all these items to make it a
better place.

On Apr 3, 8:46 am, "William Vaughn [MVP]" <billvaNoS...@betav.com>
wrote:
> LINQ is implemented in ADO.NET 3.5.
>
> --
> __________________________________________________________________________
> William R. Vaughn
> President and Founder Beta V Corporation
> Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa
> Microsoft MVP
> (425) 556-9205 (Pacific time)
> Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition)
> ___________________________________________________________________________?_________________"Cor
> Ligthert[MVP]" <notmyfirstn...@planet.nl> wrote in message
>
> news:09FC8D8A-CF86-4773-94A2-ECFFC5C61866@microsoft.com...
>
>
>
> > Is this a FrameWork.ADONET or a LINQ newsgroup?
>
> > As I see so many non LINQ to ADONET questions answered at the moment.
>
> > Cor- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

William Vaughn

4/7/2008 5:02:00 PM

I just fired up the newsgroups 'cause a friend of mine at MS said they had
done a lot of work on them to make the experience better. It took 28 seconds
to get to the first screen. It took 4 seconds to get the Windows Mail (ugh)
and the newsgroup connected. I then had to sign in. This cost another 90
seconds--it would have been longer but I have an automated fingerprint
reader in my system. Incidentally, the Windows Live login timed out the
first time. It worded the second try. I clicked a question and waited 90
seconds before clicking it again--still no response other than a growing
green bar at the bottom. It finally appeared after 64 more seconds.

This is totally unacceptable. It took me almost 10 minutes to answer a
single question. I can answer or review over 5 times that many in the
newsgroups.

Microsoft: This is why I still don't use the forums. You can dink with the
UI all you want, but until you figure out how to make the process FASTER I
won't be back.

--
__________________________________________________________________________
William R. Vaughn
President and Founder Beta V Corporation
Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa
Microsoft MVP
(425) 556-9205 (Pacific time)
Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition)
____________________________________________________________________________________________
"RobinS" <robins@imnottelling.com> wrote in message
news:o_Wdnb_eF8vbMGTanZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@comcast.com...
>I spend time in both places. The MSDN forums are painfully slow. You read
>one message, respond to it, how do you get back to the original list? You
>have to reload it. Or go back 2 or 3 times. Did I mention they are slow?
>
> Reading messages in the microsoft.public.dotnet.* newsgroups with a
> newsreader like Windows Mail or Outlook Express is very fast. You can see
> all of the messages at one time rather then 25 at a time. And if you're
> answering a message and want to see one that is earlier in the thread, you
> can do that, rather than just seeing the specific entry of the one you are
> responding to. And after you respond, you're done. YOu don't have to back
> up, or try to reload the list and figure out where you were.
>
> God forbid you're on page 2 or 3 on a forum and you answer a question, and
> click on the forum name to get back to the list rather than doing GoBack 2
> or 3 times. If you do that, then you have to go find the page you were on
> again.
>
> I like the alerts in the forums. Here, with OE or WindowsMail you can mark
> something, but I don't know how to get back to it short of looking for the
> red entry.
>
> It's easier with the newsgroups to see what you've read and what you
> haven't. You can read multiple entries under a thread, and when a new one
> comes in, that comes in a new. With the newsgroups, once I've read it and
> it's marked in grey (how attractive is that?), if a new answer comes in, I
> think it's still grey.
>
> Did I mention the MSDN Forums are really slow?
>
> I also feel like there are more people answering questions in the
> newsgroups. I see the same people over and over, and there are like a
> dozen or so of them. I'm not sure the participation is as high in the
> forums. Probably because they're slow. Did I mention that? ;-)
>
> RobinS.
> GoldMail.com
> (RobinDotNet in the ClickOnce forums)
>
>
> <turkdude777@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:25e22186-42b5-4923-81f6-1cfa25e07207@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> I spend most of my time on the MSDN forums and not here on
> microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.adonet.
> As a SQL Server developer, I am encouraged by my management to spend
> time every week on the MSDN forums to help build community support.
>
> Could someone enumerate the advantages of
> microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.adonet versus the msdn forums
> (http://forums.microsof...)?
> Why not just use the MSDN forums? Is there some inherent advantage of
> this newsgroup I am missing?
>
> I understand that this newsgroup has been around for a long time so
> this is good, I see there are good MVPs here too.
>
> Also is there some perception of a disadvantage to MSDN forums? I
> know for myself the requirement for Live ID is really annoying I wish
> they would get rid of this, but one advantage of this is the
> notifcation services (I get notified when people respond to my posts,
> etc). I suppose this could be implemented without Live ID. Also the
> MSDN forums in general I don't like the interface. I've been working
> with MSDN forums internally to improve all these items to make it a
> better place.
>
> On Apr 3, 8:46 am, "William Vaughn [MVP]" <billvaNoS...@betav.com>
> wrote:
>> LINQ is implemented in ADO.NET 3.5.
>>
>> --
>> __________________________________________________________________________
>> William R. Vaughn
>> President and Founder Beta V Corporation
>> Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa
>> Microsoft MVP
>> (425) 556-9205 (Pacific time)
>> Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition)
>> ___________________________________________________________________________?_________________"Cor
>> Ligthert[MVP]" <notmyfirstn...@planet.nl> wrote in message
>>
>> news:09FC8D8A-CF86-4773-94A2-ECFFC5C61866@microsoft.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > Is this a FrameWork.ADONET or a LINQ newsgroup?
>>
>> > As I see so many non LINQ to ADONET questions answered at the moment.
>>
>> > Cor- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>

William Vaughn

4/7/2008 5:04:00 PM

I MEANT the MSDN Forums.

--
__________________________________________________________________________
William R. Vaughn
President and Founder Beta V Corporation
Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa
Microsoft MVP
(425) 556-9205 (Pacific time)
Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition)
____________________________________________________________________________________________
"William Vaughn [MVP]" <billvaNoSPAM@betav.com> wrote in message news:CC2B8EE7-5D27-4601-B88B-50A560DD13CC@microsoft.com...
>I just fired up the newsgroups (should be FORUMS) 'cause a friend of mine at MS said they had
> done a lot of work on them to make the experience better. It took 28 seconds
> to get to the first screen. It took 4 seconds to get the Windows Mail (ugh)
> and the newsgroup connected. I then had to sign in. This cost another 90
> seconds--it would have been longer but I have an automated fingerprint
> reader in my system. Incidentally, the Windows Live login timed out the
> first time. It worded the second try. I clicked a question and waited 90
> seconds before clicking it again--still no response other than a growing
> green bar at the bottom. It finally appeared after 64 more seconds.
>
> This is totally unacceptable. It took me almost 10 minutes to answer a
> single question. I can answer or review over 5 times that many in the
> newsgroups.
>
> Microsoft: This is why I still don't use the forums. You can dink with the
> UI all you want, but until you figure out how to make the process FASTER I
> won't be back.
>
> --
> __________________________________________________________________________
> William R. Vaughn
> President and Founder Beta V Corporation
> Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa
> Microsoft MVP
> (425) 556-9205 (Pacific time)
> Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition)
> ____________________________________________________________________________________________
> "RobinS" <robins@imnottelling.com> wrote in message
> news:o_Wdnb_eF8vbMGTanZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@comcast.com...
>>I spend time in both places. The MSDN forums are painfully slow. You read
>>one message, respond to it, how do you get back to the original list? You
>>have to reload it. Or go back 2 or 3 times. Did I mention they are slow?
>>
>> Reading messages in the microsoft.public.dotnet.* newsgroups with a
>> newsreader like Windows Mail or Outlook Express is very fast. You can see
>> all of the messages at one time rather then 25 at a time. And if you're
>> answering a message and want to see one that is earlier in the thread, you
>> can do that, rather than just seeing the specific entry of the one you are
>> responding to. And after you respond, you're done. YOu don't have to back
>> up, or try to reload the list and figure out where you were.
>>
>> God forbid you're on page 2 or 3 on a forum and you answer a question, and
>> click on the forum name to get back to the list rather than doing GoBack 2
>> or 3 times. If you do that, then you have to go find the page you were on
>> again.
>>
>> I like the alerts in the forums. Here, with OE or WindowsMail you can mark
>> something, but I don't know how to get back to it short of looking for the
>> red entry.
>>
>> It's easier with the newsgroups to see what you've read and what you
>> haven't. You can read multiple entries under a thread, and when a new one
>> comes in, that comes in a new. With the newsgroups, once I've read it and
>> it's marked in grey (how attractive is that?), if a new answer comes in, I
>> think it's still grey.
>>
>> Did I mention the MSDN Forums are really slow?
>>
>> I also feel like there are more people answering questions in the
>> newsgroups. I see the same people over and over, and there are like a
>> dozen or so of them. I'm not sure the participation is as high in the
>> forums. Probably because they're slow. Did I mention that? ;-)
>>
>> RobinS.
>> GoldMail.com
>> (RobinDotNet in the ClickOnce forums)
>>
>>
>> <turkdude777@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:25e22186-42b5-4923-81f6-1cfa25e07207@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>> I spend most of my time on the MSDN forums and not here on
>> microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.adonet.
>> As a SQL Server developer, I am encouraged by my management to spend
>> time every week on the MSDN forums to help build community support.
>>
>> Could someone enumerate the advantages of
>> microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.adonet versus the msdn forums
>> (http://forums.microsof...)?
>> Why not just use the MSDN forums? Is there some inherent advantage of
>> this newsgroup I am missing?
>>
>> I understand that this newsgroup has been around for a long time so
>> this is good, I see there are good MVPs here too.
>>
>> Also is there some perception of a disadvantage to MSDN forums? I
>> know for myself the requirement for Live ID is really annoying I wish
>> they would get rid of this, but one advantage of this is the
>> notifcation services (I get notified when people respond to my posts,
>> etc). I suppose this could be implemented without Live ID. Also the
>> MSDN forums in general I don't like the interface. I've been working
>> with MSDN forums internally to improve all these items to make it a
>> better place.
>>
>> On Apr 3, 8:46 am, "William Vaughn [MVP]" <billvaNoS...@betav.com>
>> wrote:
>>> LINQ is implemented in ADO.NET 3.5.
>>>
>>> --
>>> __________________________________________________________________________
>>> William R. Vaughn
>>> President and Founder Beta V Corporation
>>> Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa
>>> Microsoft MVP
>>> (425) 556-9205 (Pacific time)
>>> Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition)
>>> ____________________________________________________________________________________________"Cor
>>> Ligthert[MVP]" <notmyfirstn...@planet.nl> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:09FC8D8A-CF86-4773-94A2-ECFFC5C61866@microsoft.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > Is this a FrameWork.ADONET or a LINQ newsgroup?
>>>
>>> > As I see so many non LINQ to ADONET questions answered at the moment.
>>>
>>> > Cor- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>

RobinS

4/8/2008 6:55:00 AM

EXACTLY!! I heard a rumor that the ones they have in beta that are supposed
to be fast are the Expression ones, which helps me not at all.

RobinS.
GoldMail.com

"William Vaughn [MVP]" <billvaNoSPAM@betav.com> wrote in message
news:CC2B8EE7-5D27-4601-B88B-50A560DD13CC@microsoft.com...
>I just fired up the newsgroups 'cause a friend of mine at MS said they had
>done a lot of work on them to make the experience better. It took 28
>seconds to get to the first screen. It took 4 seconds to get the Windows
>Mail (ugh) and the newsgroup connected. I then had to sign in. This cost
>another 90 seconds--it would have been longer but I have an automated
>fingerprint reader in my system. Incidentally, the Windows Live login timed
>out the first time. It worded the second try. I clicked a question and
>waited 90 seconds before clicking it again--still no response other than a
>growing green bar at the bottom. It finally appeared after 64 more seconds.
>
> This is totally unacceptable. It took me almost 10 minutes to answer a
> single question. I can answer or review over 5 times that many in the
> newsgroups.
>
> Microsoft: This is why I still don't use the forums. You can dink with the
> UI all you want, but until you figure out how to make the process FASTER I
> won't be back.
>
> --
> __________________________________________________________________________
> William R. Vaughn
> President and Founder Beta V Corporation
> Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa
> Microsoft MVP
> (425) 556-9205 (Pacific time)
> Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition)
> ____________________________________________________________________________________________
> "RobinS" <robins@imnottelling.com> wrote in message
> news:o_Wdnb_eF8vbMGTanZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@comcast.com...
>>I spend time in both places. The MSDN forums are painfully slow. You read
>>one message, respond to it, how do you get back to the original list? You
>>have to reload it. Or go back 2 or 3 times. Did I mention they are slow?
>>
>> Reading messages in the microsoft.public.dotnet.* newsgroups with a
>> newsreader like Windows Mail or Outlook Express is very fast. You can see
>> all of the messages at one time rather then 25 at a time. And if you're
>> answering a message and want to see one that is earlier in the thread,
>> you can do that, rather than just seeing the specific entry of the one
>> you are responding to. And after you respond, you're done. YOu don't have
>> to back up, or try to reload the list and figure out where you were.
>>
>> God forbid you're on page 2 or 3 on a forum and you answer a question,
>> and click on the forum name to get back to the list rather than doing
>> GoBack 2 or 3 times. If you do that, then you have to go find the page
>> you were on again.
>>
>> I like the alerts in the forums. Here, with OE or WindowsMail you can
>> mark something, but I don't know how to get back to it short of looking
>> for the red entry.
>>
>> It's easier with the newsgroups to see what you've read and what you
>> haven't. You can read multiple entries under a thread, and when a new one
>> comes in, that comes in a new. With the newsgroups, once I've read it and
>> it's marked in grey (how attractive is that?), if a new answer comes in,
>> I think it's still grey.
>>
>> Did I mention the MSDN Forums are really slow?
>>
>> I also feel like there are more people answering questions in the
>> newsgroups. I see the same people over and over, and there are like a
>> dozen or so of them. I'm not sure the participation is as high in the
>> forums. Probably because they're slow. Did I mention that? ;-)
>>
>> RobinS.
>> GoldMail.com
>> (RobinDotNet in the ClickOnce forums)
>>
>>
>> <turkdude777@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:25e22186-42b5-4923-81f6-1cfa25e07207@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>> I spend most of my time on the MSDN forums and not here on
>> microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.adonet.
>> As a SQL Server developer, I am encouraged by my management to spend
>> time every week on the MSDN forums to help build community support.
>>
>> Could someone enumerate the advantages of
>> microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.adonet versus the msdn forums
>> (http://forums.microsof...)?
>> Why not just use the MSDN forums? Is there some inherent advantage of
>> this newsgroup I am missing?
>>
>> I understand that this newsgroup has been around for a long time so
>> this is good, I see there are good MVPs here too.
>>
>> Also is there some perception of a disadvantage to MSDN forums? I
>> know for myself the requirement for Live ID is really annoying I wish
>> they would get rid of this, but one advantage of this is the
>> notifcation services (I get notified when people respond to my posts,
>> etc). I suppose this could be implemented without Live ID. Also the
>> MSDN forums in general I don't like the interface. I've been working
>> with MSDN forums internally to improve all these items to make it a
>> better place.
>>
>> On Apr 3, 8:46 am, "William Vaughn [MVP]" <billvaNoS...@betav.com>
>> wrote:
>>> LINQ is implemented in ADO.NET 3.5.
>>>
>>> --
>>> __________________________________________________________________________
>>> William R. Vaughn
>>> President and Founder Beta V Corporation
>>> Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa
>>> Microsoft MVP
>>> (425) 556-9205 (Pacific time)
>>> Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition)
>>> ___________________________________________________________________________?_________________"Cor
>>> Ligthert[MVP]" <notmyfirstn...@planet.nl> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:09FC8D8A-CF86-4773-94A2-ECFFC5C61866@microsoft.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > Is this a FrameWork.ADONET or a LINQ newsgroup?
>>>
>>> > As I see so many non LINQ to ADONET questions answered at the moment.
>>>
>>> > Cor- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>

William Vaughn

4/8/2008 8:25:00 PM

I talked to one of the senior engineers and he tells me the Expressions site
is just the first to go live. The others will be upgraded before the next
President is elected--assuming MS lasts that long... ;)
--
__________________________________________________________________________
William R. Vaughn
President and Founder Beta V Corporation
Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa
Microsoft MVP
(425) 556-9205 (Pacific time)
Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition)
____________________________________________________________________________________________
"RobinS" <robins@imnottelling.com> wrote in message
news:YNWdnbL8OI5Ui2banZ2dnUVZ_tKinZ2d@comcast.com...
> EXACTLY!! I heard a rumor that the ones they have in beta that are
> supposed to be fast are the Expression ones, which helps me not at all.
>
> RobinS.
> GoldMail.com
>
> "William Vaughn [MVP]" <billvaNoSPAM@betav.com> wrote in message
> news:CC2B8EE7-5D27-4601-B88B-50A560DD13CC@microsoft.com...
>>I just fired up the newsgroups 'cause a friend of mine at MS said they had
>>done a lot of work on them to make the experience better. It took 28
>>seconds to get to the first screen. It took 4 seconds to get the Windows
>>Mail (ugh) and the newsgroup connected. I then had to sign in. This cost
>>another 90 seconds--it would have been longer but I have an automated
>>fingerprint reader in my system. Incidentally, the Windows Live login
>>timed out the first time. It worded the second try. I clicked a question
>>and waited 90 seconds before clicking it again--still no response other
>>than a growing green bar at the bottom. It finally appeared after 64 more
>>seconds.
>>
>> This is totally unacceptable. It took me almost 10 minutes to answer a
>> single question. I can answer or review over 5 times that many in the
>> newsgroups.
>>
>> Microsoft: This is why I still don't use the forums. You can dink with
>> the UI all you want, but until you figure out how to make the process
>> FASTER I won't be back.
>>
>> --
>> __________________________________________________________________________
>> William R. Vaughn
>> President and Founder Beta V Corporation
>> Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa
>> Microsoft MVP
>> (425) 556-9205 (Pacific time)
>> Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition)
>> ____________________________________________________________________________________________
>> "RobinS" <robins@imnottelling.com> wrote in message
>> news:o_Wdnb_eF8vbMGTanZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>I spend time in both places. The MSDN forums are painfully slow. You read
>>>one message, respond to it, how do you get back to the original list? You
>>>have to reload it. Or go back 2 or 3 times. Did I mention they are slow?
>>>
>>> Reading messages in the microsoft.public.dotnet.* newsgroups with a
>>> newsreader like Windows Mail or Outlook Express is very fast. You can
>>> see all of the messages at one time rather then 25 at a time. And if
>>> you're answering a message and want to see one that is earlier in the
>>> thread, you can do that, rather than just seeing the specific entry of
>>> the one you are responding to. And after you respond, you're done. YOu
>>> don't have to back up, or try to reload the list and figure out where
>>> you were.
>>>
>>> God forbid you're on page 2 or 3 on a forum and you answer a question,
>>> and click on the forum name to get back to the list rather than doing
>>> GoBack 2 or 3 times. If you do that, then you have to go find the page
>>> you were on again.
>>>
>>> I like the alerts in the forums. Here, with OE or WindowsMail you can
>>> mark something, but I don't know how to get back to it short of looking
>>> for the red entry.
>>>
>>> It's easier with the newsgroups to see what you've read and what you
>>> haven't. You can read multiple entries under a thread, and when a new
>>> one comes in, that comes in a new. With the newsgroups, once I've read
>>> it and it's marked in grey (how attractive is that?), if a new answer
>>> comes in, I think it's still grey.
>>>
>>> Did I mention the MSDN Forums are really slow?
>>>
>>> I also feel like there are more people answering questions in the
>>> newsgroups. I see the same people over and over, and there are like a
>>> dozen or so of them. I'm not sure the participation is as high in the
>>> forums. Probably because they're slow. Did I mention that? ;-)
>>>
>>> RobinS.
>>> GoldMail.com
>>> (RobinDotNet in the ClickOnce forums)
>>>
>>>
>>> <turkdude777@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:25e22186-42b5-4923-81f6-1cfa25e07207@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>>> I spend most of my time on the MSDN forums and not here on
>>> microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.adonet.
>>> As a SQL Server developer, I am encouraged by my management to spend
>>> time every week on the MSDN forums to help build community support.
>>>
>>> Could someone enumerate the advantages of
>>> microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.adonet versus the msdn forums
>>> (http://forums.microsof...)?
>>> Why not just use the MSDN forums? Is there some inherent advantage of
>>> this newsgroup I am missing?
>>>
>>> I understand that this newsgroup has been around for a long time so
>>> this is good, I see there are good MVPs here too.
>>>
>>> Also is there some perception of a disadvantage to MSDN forums? I
>>> know for myself the requirement for Live ID is really annoying I wish
>>> they would get rid of this, but one advantage of this is the
>>> notifcation services (I get notified when people respond to my posts,
>>> etc). I suppose this could be implemented without Live ID. Also the
>>> MSDN forums in general I don't like the interface. I've been working
>>> with MSDN forums internally to improve all these items to make it a
>>> better place.
>>>
>>> On Apr 3, 8:46 am, "William Vaughn [MVP]" <billvaNoS...@betav.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> LINQ is implemented in ADO.NET 3.5.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> __________________________________________________________________________
>>>> William R. Vaughn
>>>> President and Founder Beta V Corporation
>>>> Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa
>>>> Microsoft MVP
>>>> (425) 556-9205 (Pacific time)
>>>> Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition)
>>>> ___________________________________________________________________________?_________________"Cor
>>>> Ligthert[MVP]" <notmyfirstn...@planet.nl> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> news:09FC8D8A-CF86-4773-94A2-ECFFC5C61866@microsoft.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Is this a FrameWork.ADONET or a LINQ newsgroup?
>>>>
>>>> > As I see so many non LINQ to ADONET questions answered at the moment.
>>>>
>>>> > Cor- Hide quoted text -
>>>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>
>>
>

RobinS

4/9/2008 5:50:00 AM

That's good news. That, and just thinking about having a new President,
makes me feel all glowy inside. :-D

RobinS.
GoldMail.com

"William Vaughn [MVP]" <billvaNoSPAM@betav.com> wrote in message
news:25F0C184-5EC9-4E30-82B8-66BC786988A5@microsoft.com...
>I talked to one of the senior engineers and he tells me the Expressions
>site is just the first to go live. The others will be upgraded before the
>next President is elected--assuming MS lasts that long... ;)
> --
> __________________________________________________________________________
> William R. Vaughn
> President and Founder Beta V Corporation
> Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa
> Microsoft MVP
> (425) 556-9205 (Pacific time)
> Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition)
> ____________________________________________________________________________________________
> "RobinS" <robins@imnottelling.com> wrote in message
> news:YNWdnbL8OI5Ui2banZ2dnUVZ_tKinZ2d@comcast.com...
>> EXACTLY!! I heard a rumor that the ones they have in beta that are
>> supposed to be fast are the Expression ones, which helps me not at all.
>>
>> RobinS.
>> GoldMail.com
>>
>> "William Vaughn [MVP]" <billvaNoSPAM@betav.com> wrote in message
>> news:CC2B8EE7-5D27-4601-B88B-50A560DD13CC@microsoft.com...
>>>I just fired up the newsgroups 'cause a friend of mine at MS said they
>>>had done a lot of work on them to make the experience better. It took 28
>>>seconds to get to the first screen. It took 4 seconds to get the Windows
>>>Mail (ugh) and the newsgroup connected. I then had to sign in. This cost
>>>another 90 seconds--it would have been longer but I have an automated
>>>fingerprint reader in my system. Incidentally, the Windows Live login
>>>timed out the first time. It worded the second try. I clicked a question
>>>and waited 90 seconds before clicking it again--still no response other
>>>than a growing green bar at the bottom. It finally appeared after 64 more
>>>seconds.
>>>
>>> This is totally unacceptable. It took me almost 10 minutes to answer a
>>> single question. I can answer or review over 5 times that many in the
>>> newsgroups.
>>>
>>> Microsoft: This is why I still don't use the forums. You can dink with
>>> the UI all you want, but until you figure out how to make the process
>>> FASTER I won't be back.
>>>
>>> --
>>> __________________________________________________________________________
>>> William R. Vaughn
>>> President and Founder Beta V Corporation
>>> Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa
>>> Microsoft MVP
>>> (425) 556-9205 (Pacific time)
>>> Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition)
>>> ____________________________________________________________________________________________
>>> "RobinS" <robins@imnottelling.com> wrote in message
>>> news:o_Wdnb_eF8vbMGTanZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>I spend time in both places. The MSDN forums are painfully slow. You
>>>>read one message, respond to it, how do you get back to the original
>>>>list? You have to reload it. Or go back 2 or 3 times. Did I mention they
>>>>are slow?
>>>>
>>>> Reading messages in the microsoft.public.dotnet.* newsgroups with a
>>>> newsreader like Windows Mail or Outlook Express is very fast. You can
>>>> see all of the messages at one time rather then 25 at a time. And if
>>>> you're answering a message and want to see one that is earlier in the
>>>> thread, you can do that, rather than just seeing the specific entry of
>>>> the one you are responding to. And after you respond, you're done. YOu
>>>> don't have to back up, or try to reload the list and figure out where
>>>> you were.
>>>>
>>>> God forbid you're on page 2 or 3 on a forum and you answer a question,
>>>> and click on the forum name to get back to the list rather than doing
>>>> GoBack 2 or 3 times. If you do that, then you have to go find the page
>>>> you were on again.
>>>>
>>>> I like the alerts in the forums. Here, with OE or WindowsMail you can
>>>> mark something, but I don't know how to get back to it short of looking
>>>> for the red entry.
>>>>
>>>> It's easier with the newsgroups to see what you've read and what you
>>>> haven't. You can read multiple entries under a thread, and when a new
>>>> one comes in, that comes in a new. With the newsgroups, once I've read
>>>> it and it's marked in grey (how attractive is that?), if a new answer
>>>> comes in, I think it's still grey.
>>>>
>>>> Did I mention the MSDN Forums are really slow?
>>>>
>>>> I also feel like there are more people answering questions in the
>>>> newsgroups. I see the same people over and over, and there are like a
>>>> dozen or so of them. I'm not sure the participation is as high in the
>>>> forums. Probably because they're slow. Did I mention that? ;-)
>>>>
>>>> RobinS.
>>>> GoldMail.com
>>>> (RobinDotNet in the ClickOnce forums)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <turkdude777@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:25e22186-42b5-4923-81f6-1cfa25e07207@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>>>> I spend most of my time on the MSDN forums and not here on
>>>> microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.adonet.
>>>> As a SQL Server developer, I am encouraged by my management to spend
>>>> time every week on the MSDN forums to help build community support.
>>>>
>>>> Could someone enumerate the advantages of
>>>> microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.adonet versus the msdn forums
>>>> (http://forums.microsof...)?
>>>> Why not just use the MSDN forums? Is there some inherent advantage of
>>>> this newsgroup I am missing?
>>>>
>>>> I understand that this newsgroup has been around for a long time so
>>>> this is good, I see there are good MVPs here too.
>>>>
>>>> Also is there some perception of a disadvantage to MSDN forums? I
>>>> know for myself the requirement for Live ID is really annoying I wish
>>>> they would get rid of this, but one advantage of this is the
>>>> notifcation services (I get notified when people respond to my posts,
>>>> etc). I suppose this could be implemented without Live ID. Also the
>>>> MSDN forums in general I don't like the interface. I've been working
>>>> with MSDN forums internally to improve all these items to make it a
>>>> better place.
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 3, 8:46 am, "William Vaughn [MVP]" <billvaNoS...@betav.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> LINQ is implemented in ADO.NET 3.5.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> __________________________________________________________________________
>>>>> William R. Vaughn
>>>>> President and Founder Beta V Corporation
>>>>> Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa
>>>>> Microsoft MVP
>>>>> (425) 556-9205 (Pacific time)
>>>>> Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition)
>>>>> ___________________________________________________________________________?_________________"Cor
>>>>> Ligthert[MVP]" <notmyfirstn...@planet.nl> wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>> news:09FC8D8A-CF86-4773-94A2-ECFFC5C61866@microsoft.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > Is this a FrameWork.ADONET or a LINQ newsgroup?
>>>>>
>>>>> > As I see so many non LINQ to ADONET questions answered at the
>>>>> > moment.
>>>>>
>>>>> > Cor- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>
>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Cor Ligthert [MVP]

4/9/2008 4:44:00 PM

William,

With President you mean that brand for French cheese?

:-)

Cor

"William Vaughn [MVP]" <billvaNoSPAM@betav.com> schreef in bericht
news:25F0C184-5EC9-4E30-82B8-66BC786988A5@microsoft.com...
>I talked to one of the senior engineers and he tells me the Expressions
>site is just the first to go live. The others will be upgraded before the
>next President is elected--assuming MS lasts that long... ;)
> --
> __________________________________________________________________________
> William R. Vaughn
> President and Founder Beta V Corporation
> Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa
> Microsoft MVP
> (425) 556-9205 (Pacific time)
> Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition)
> ____________________________________________________________________________________________
> "RobinS" <robins@imnottelling.com> wrote in message
> news:YNWdnbL8OI5Ui2banZ2dnUVZ_tKinZ2d@comcast.com...
>> EXACTLY!! I heard a rumor that the ones they have in beta that are
>> supposed to be fast are the Expression ones, which helps me not at all.
>>
>> RobinS.
>> GoldMail.com
>>
>> "William Vaughn [MVP]" <billvaNoSPAM@betav.com> wrote in message
>> news:CC2B8EE7-5D27-4601-B88B-50A560DD13CC@microsoft.com...
>>>I just fired up the newsgroups 'cause a friend of mine at MS said they
>>>had done a lot of work on them to make the experience better. It took 28
>>>seconds to get to the first screen. It took 4 seconds to get the Windows
>>>Mail (ugh) and the newsgroup connected. I then had to sign in. This cost
>>>another 90 seconds--it would have been longer but I have an automated
>>>fingerprint reader in my system. Incidentally, the Windows Live login
>>>timed out the first time. It worded the second try. I clicked a question
>>>and waited 90 seconds before clicking it again--still no response other
>>>than a growing green bar at the bottom. It finally appeared after 64 more
>>>seconds.
>>>
>>> This is totally unacceptable. It took me almost 10 minutes to answer a
>>> single question. I can answer or review over 5 times that many in the
>>> newsgroups.
>>>
>>> Microsoft: This is why I still don't use the forums. You can dink with
>>> the UI all you want, but until you figure out how to make the process
>>> FASTER I won't be back.
>>>
>>> --
>>> __________________________________________________________________________
>>> William R. Vaughn
>>> President and Founder Beta V Corporation
>>> Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa
>>> Microsoft MVP
>>> (425) 556-9205 (Pacific time)
>>> Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition)
>>> ____________________________________________________________________________________________
>>> "RobinS" <robins@imnottelling.com> wrote in message
>>> news:o_Wdnb_eF8vbMGTanZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>I spend time in both places. The MSDN forums are painfully slow. You
>>>>read one message, respond to it, how do you get back to the original
>>>>list? You have to reload it. Or go back 2 or 3 times. Did I mention they
>>>>are slow?
>>>>
>>>> Reading messages in the microsoft.public.dotnet.* newsgroups with a
>>>> newsreader like Windows Mail or Outlook Express is very fast. You can
>>>> see all of the messages at one time rather then 25 at a time. And if
>>>> you're answering a message and want to see one that is earlier in the
>>>> thread, you can do that, rather than just seeing the specific entry of
>>>> the one you are responding to. And after you respond, you're done. YOu
>>>> don't have to back up, or try to reload the list and figure out where
>>>> you were.
>>>>
>>>> God forbid you're on page 2 or 3 on a forum and you answer a question,
>>>> and click on the forum name to get back to the list rather than doing
>>>> GoBack 2 or 3 times. If you do that, then you have to go find the page
>>>> you were on again.
>>>>
>>>> I like the alerts in the forums. Here, with OE or WindowsMail you can
>>>> mark something, but I don't know how to get back to it short of looking
>>>> for the red entry.
>>>>
>>>> It's easier with the newsgroups to see what you've read and what you
>>>> haven't. You can read multiple entries under a thread, and when a new
>>>> one comes in, that comes in a new. With the newsgroups, once I've read
>>>> it and it's marked in grey (how attractive is that?), if a new answer
>>>> comes in, I think it's still grey.
>>>>
>>>> Did I mention the MSDN Forums are really slow?
>>>>
>>>> I also feel like there are more people answering questions in the
>>>> newsgroups. I see the same people over and over, and there are like a
>>>> dozen or so of them. I'm not sure the participation is as high in the
>>>> forums. Probably because they're slow. Did I mention that? ;-)
>>>>
>>>> RobinS.
>>>> GoldMail.com
>>>> (RobinDotNet in the ClickOnce forums)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <turkdude777@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:25e22186-42b5-4923-81f6-1cfa25e07207@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>>>> I spend most of my time on the MSDN forums and not here on
>>>> microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.adonet.
>>>> As a SQL Server developer, I am encouraged by my management to spend
>>>> time every week on the MSDN forums to help build community support.
>>>>
>>>> Could someone enumerate the advantages of
>>>> microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.adonet versus the msdn forums
>>>> (http://forums.microsof...)?
>>>> Why not just use the MSDN forums? Is there some inherent advantage of
>>>> this newsgroup I am missing?
>>>>
>>>> I understand that this newsgroup has been around for a long time so
>>>> this is good, I see there are good MVPs here too.
>>>>
>>>> Also is there some perception of a disadvantage to MSDN forums? I
>>>> know for myself the requirement for Live ID is really annoying I wish
>>>> they would get rid of this, but one advantage of this is the
>>>> notifcation services (I get notified when people respond to my posts,
>>>> etc). I suppose this could be implemented without Live ID. Also the
>>>> MSDN forums in general I don't like the interface. I've been working
>>>> with MSDN forums internally to improve all these items to make it a
>>>> better place.
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 3, 8:46 am, "William Vaughn [MVP]" <billvaNoS...@betav.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> LINQ is implemented in ADO.NET 3.5.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> __________________________________________________________________________
>>>>> William R. Vaughn
>>>>> President and Founder Beta V Corporation
>>>>> Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa
>>>>> Microsoft MVP
>>>>> (425) 556-9205 (Pacific time)
>>>>> Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition)
>>>>> ___________________________________________________________________________?_________________"Cor
>>>>> Ligthert[MVP]" <notmyfirstn...@planet.nl> wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>> news:09FC8D8A-CF86-4773-94A2-ECFFC5C61866@microsoft.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > Is this a FrameWork.ADONET or a LINQ newsgroup?
>>>>>
>>>>> > As I see so many non LINQ to ADONET questions answered at the
>>>>> > moment.
>>>>>
>>>>> > Cor- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>
>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

microsoft.public.inetserver.asp.components

意見広告他府県文字通りご用更なる現状把握

Scott Lyon

RobinS

William Vaughn

William Vaughn

RobinS

William Vaughn

RobinS

Cor Ligthert [MVP]

x Login to ForumsZone