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17 Answers

Michel Posseth [MCP]

2/3/2008 12:18:00 PM

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<snip>
> DAO is still the recommended method for accessing data in Microsoft Access
> databases if you are using the Jet database engine.
</snip>

Recomended by who ? as MS did not even bother to develop a 64 bit Jet oledb
driver for Access this means that even ADO.Net can`t work with Access
so in my opinion MS doesn`t want you to use Access at all in newly to
develop products . that is probably also the reasson why in all study
materials , examples etc etc only connections to one of the SQL family`s is
shown ( wich by the way do have 64 bit equivalants )


<snip>
Its performance is
> significantly better than ADO in this scenario.
>
</snip>

DAO `s perfomance is superb on ACCESS , as it is a specialized engine
optimized for this database

However my question is should you use a long time ago fased out technology
in a newly developed product ?
as i said when i was programming in VB6 ADO was already declared Obsolete
technology , so using it now in VB.Net is in my opinion foolish

And if we are talking about perfomance lets put the cards right and compares
against SQL server CE wich is the substitute for a Access database in
..Net


Michel



"Ed Metcalfe" <edmetcalfe@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
news:%23tn0RnkZIHA.208@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> "Michel Posseth [MCP]" <MSDN@posseth.com> wrote in message
> news:elFW4jkZIHA.6140@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> What am I doing wrong?
> <snip>
>> 2 Is using DAO while it is already a long , long time ago declared
>> obsolete even in the end of VB6 it was already declared as obsolete
>> technollogy and ADO was prefered
>>
>> If you nowadays still use ACCESS in my opinion for new projects you
>> should not ! but use one of the SQL engines closest to Access is the SQL
>> CE engine
>> , e.g. sql server everywhere then you should connect with ADO.Net.
>>
>> So having said this it is still possible to connect with DAO , however i
>> will sure not recomend it to you
> <snip>
>
> DAO is still the recommended method for accessing data in Microsoft Access
> databases if you are using the Jet database engine. Its performance is
> significantly better than ADO in this scenario.
>
> Ed Metcalfe.
>


Michel Posseth [MCP]

2/3/2008 1:05:00 PM

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http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms8...
scroll to the bottom to see that DAO is officially declared Obsolete ( a
long time ago )
note: that this paper was released the first time in January 2002 but it
was known to the programming comunity long time before that

I am a person with a strong readers memory ( everything i once read stays in
my mind ) so i just looked in my library i knew it was somewhere there
Chapter 8 Databases page 393 and page 394 of the official Core reference
guide of VB6 "Programming Microsoft Visual Basic 6.0".

If you read these 2 pages you will see that DAO is already in the
replacement phase in favor of ADO , the core VB6 book tells you between the
lines that DAO is VB 5.0 and in VB6 projects you should favor the new ADO
engine for the simple reasson that DAO is going to be replaced by ADO
remember that this book is written in early 1999 !!!

A funny thing i just encountered is that the writer of the book ( Balena )
tells you if you really need to use DAO or RDO buy the superb book
"Hitchiker`s guide to Visual basic and SQL server by William R. Vaughn "

Well "William R. Vaughn" is also known as "Bill Vaughn" active in these
newsgroups and he is the person who convinced me that there is absolutely no
reasson at all to stick using Access now we have SQL server CE

If a person walked into my office and dare to propose a desktop app written
in VS.Net 2008 with a ACCESS db backend wich uses DAO i would laugh an not
take this person serious annymore , i doubt if this person is qualified to
do his job right



Michel



"Michel Posseth [MCP]" <MSDN@posseth.com> schreef in bericht
news:u3sd55lZIHA.4808@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> <snip>
>> DAO is still the recommended method for accessing data in Microsoft
>> Access databases if you are using the Jet database engine.
> </snip>
>
> Recomended by who ? as MS did not even bother to develop a 64 bit Jet
> oledb driver for Access this means that even ADO.Net can`t work with
> Access
> so in my opinion MS doesn`t want you to use Access at all in newly to
> develop products . that is probably also the reasson why in all study
> materials , examples etc etc only connections to one of the SQL family`s
> is shown ( wich by the way do have 64 bit equivalants )
>
>
> <snip>
> Its performance is
>> significantly better than ADO in this scenario.
>>
> </snip>
>
> DAO `s perfomance is superb on ACCESS , as it is a specialized engine
> optimized for this database
>
> However my question is should you use a long time ago fased out technology
> in a newly developed product ?
> as i said when i was programming in VB6 ADO was already declared Obsolete
> technology , so using it now in VB.Net is in my opinion foolish
>
> And if we are talking about perfomance lets put the cards right and
> compares against SQL server CE wich is the substitute for a Access
> database in .Net
>
>
> Michel
>
>
>
> "Ed Metcalfe" <edmetcalfe@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
> news:%23tn0RnkZIHA.208@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Michel Posseth [MCP]" <MSDN@posseth.com> wrote in message
>> news:elFW4jkZIHA.6140@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> What am I doing wrong?
>> <snip>
>>> 2 Is using DAO while it is already a long , long time ago declared
>>> obsolete even in the end of VB6 it was already declared as obsolete
>>> technollogy and ADO was prefered
>>>
>>> If you nowadays still use ACCESS in my opinion for new projects you
>>> should not ! but use one of the SQL engines closest to Access is the SQL
>>> CE engine
>>> , e.g. sql server everywhere then you should connect with ADO.Net.
>>>
>>> So having said this it is still possible to connect with DAO , however
>>> i will sure not recomend it to you
>> <snip>
>>
>> DAO is still the recommended method for accessing data in Microsoft
>> Access databases if you are using the Jet database engine. Its
>> performance is significantly better than ADO in this scenario.
>>
>> Ed Metcalfe.
>>
>
>


Ed Metcalfe

2/3/2008 5:30:00 PM

0


"Michel Posseth [MCP]" <MSDN@posseth.com> wrote in message
news:u3sd55lZIHA.4808@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Recomended by who ? as MS did not even bother to develop a 64 bit Jet
> oledb driver for Access this means that even ADO.Net can`t work with
> Access
> so in my opinion MS doesn`t want you to use Access at all in newly to
> develop products . that is probably also the reasson why in all study
> materials , examples etc etc only connections to one of the SQL family`s
> is shown ( wich by the way do have 64 bit equivalants )

By the vast majority of people I speak to who are still developing solutions
in Microsoft Access using the Jet database engine. Regardless of whether
they should be there are still a lot of them and the overall performance of
ADO when working with Jet is, frankly, abysmal.

> DAO `s perfomance is superb on ACCESS , as it is a specialized engine
> optimized for this database
>
> However my question is should you use a long time ago fased out technology
> in a newly developed product ?

Probably not, however I never stated an opinion for or against Jet as a
suitable solution for John's application. I presume he has his reasons for
choosing it over more current technologies.

> And if we are talking about perfomance lets put the cards right and
> compares against SQL server CE wich is the substitute for a Access
> database in .Net

I'm sure you're right. Nevertheless DAO is, in most cases, *much* faster
when working with Jet than ADO. As John is using an MDB file I would
strongly recommend he tries DAO as well as ADO as, in my experience, it may
make the difference between a usable and unusable system.

Ed Metcalfe.


Arvin Meyer [MVP]

2/3/2008 5:31:00 PM

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"Michel Posseth [MCP]" <MSDN@posseth.com> wrote in message
news:%23dhY5TmZIHA.4180@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms8...
> scroll to the bottom to see that DAO is officially declared Obsolete
> ( a long time ago )
> note: that this paper was released the first time in January 2002 but
> it was known to the programming comunity long time before that

At our last MVP Summit in Seattle, we were specifically told by Microsoft
that DAO is the preferred method of dealing with JET and SQL-Server
databases from Access front-ends, reversing decisions made ssome time ago.

ADO is obsolete, having been replaced by ADO.NET.

The design structure of Access for dealing with databases is so complete and
therefore complex, that I believe that there haven't been any .NET efforts
made to work with it yet. It may be several years before Microsoft builds
any .NET capability into Access. Until then, DAO is the faster and more
complete method of dealing with JET data.
--
Arvin Meyer, MCP, MVP
http://www.dat...
http://www.mvps....
http://www.acc...


Ed Metcalfe

2/3/2008 5:49:00 PM

0


"Arvin Meyer [MVP]" <a@m.com> wrote in message
news:O7FMCqoZIHA.4196@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> At our last MVP Summit in Seattle, we were specifically told by Microsoft
> that DAO is the preferred method of dealing with JET and SQL-Server
> databases from Access front-ends, reversing decisions made ssome time ago.
>
> ADO is obsolete, having been replaced by ADO.NET.
>
> The design structure of Access for dealing with databases is so complete
> and therefore complex, that I believe that there haven't been any .NET
> efforts made to work with it yet. It may be several years before Microsoft
> builds any .NET capability into Access. Until then, DAO is the faster and
> more complete method of dealing with JET data.
> --
> Arvin Meyer, MCP, MVP
> http://www.dat...
> http://www.mvps....
> http://www.acc...
>
>

Arvin,

Is this information published on the Microsoft website anywhere? The most
recent article I could find was this:

http://support.microsoft.com...

Ed Metcalfe.


Michel Posseth [MCP]

2/3/2008 6:15:00 PM

0


> At our last MVP Summit in Seattle, we were specifically told by Microsoft
> that DAO is the preferred method of dealing with JET and SQL-Server
> databases from Access front-ends, reversing decisions made ssome time ago.
>
> ADO is obsolete, having been replaced by ADO.NET.

Seen from the perspective of an ACCESS developer i can inmagine this
decission as DAO is superior in perfomance

However this topic is about a VB.Net developer interacting with a ACCESS
database , and from that point seen i can not find a valid reasson to use
Access at all as a database with anny engine wether it is DAO or ADO.Net


This is confusing me :

> The design structure of Access for dealing with databases is so complete
> and therefore complex, that I believe that there haven't been any .NET
> efforts made to work with it yet. It may be several years before Microsoft
> builds any .NET capability into Access. Until then, DAO is the faster and
> more complete method of dealing with JET data.


As far as i know the versions of Access starting from 2003 use the MSDE
engine or SQL express
so i see Microsoft never upgrade these engines to .Net as there are already
sql 2005 engines out there wich already support the .Net framework and
languages
I guess time will fase out the Jet engine .........


Or am i missing something here ?


Michel



"Arvin Meyer [MVP]" <a@m.com> schreef in bericht
news:O7FMCqoZIHA.4196@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> "Michel Posseth [MCP]" <MSDN@posseth.com> wrote in message
> news:%23dhY5TmZIHA.4180@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms8...
>> scroll to the bottom to see that DAO is officially declared Obsolete
>> ( a long time ago )
>> note: that this paper was released the first time in January 2002 but
>> it was known to the programming comunity long time before that
>
> At our last MVP Summit in Seattle, we were specifically told by Microsoft
> that DAO is the preferred method of dealing with JET and SQL-Server
> databases from Access front-ends, reversing decisions made ssome time ago.
>
> ADO is obsolete, having been replaced by ADO.NET.
>
> The design structure of Access for dealing with databases is so complete
> and therefore complex, that I believe that there haven't been any .NET
> efforts made to work with it yet. It may be several years before Microsoft
> builds any .NET capability into Access. Until then, DAO is the faster and
> more complete method of dealing with JET data.
> --
> Arvin Meyer, MCP, MVP
> http://www.dat...
> http://www.mvps....
> http://www.acc...
>
>


Michel Posseth [MCP]

2/3/2008 6:59:00 PM

0


"Ed Metcalfe" <edmetcalfe@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
news:%230miUpoZIHA.5612@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
> "Michel Posseth [MCP]" <MSDN@posseth.com> wrote in message
> news:u3sd55lZIHA.4808@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Recomended by who ? as MS did not even bother to develop a 64 bit Jet
>> oledb driver for Access this means that even ADO.Net can`t work with
>> Access
>> so in my opinion MS doesn`t want you to use Access at all in newly to
>> develop products . that is probably also the reasson why in all study
>> materials , examples etc etc only connections to one of the SQL family`s
>> is shown ( wich by the way do have 64 bit equivalants )
>
> By the vast majority of people I speak to who are still developing
> solutions in Microsoft Access using the Jet database engine. Regardless of
> whether they should be there are still a lot of them and the overall
> performance of ADO when working with Jet is, frankly, abysmal.
>

Here comes our difference in perspective ,

You talk as a ACCESS developer , a person who writes solutions completely
in ACCESS , throws in some Access forms and or VBA

I see it from the perspective of a software developer , i just use a DB as a
storage


>> DAO `s perfomance is superb on ACCESS , as it is a specialized engine
>> optimized for this database
>>
>> However my question is should you use a long time ago fased out
>> technology in a newly developed product ?
>
> Probably not, however I never stated an opinion for or against Jet as a
> suitable solution for John's application. I presume he has his reasons for
> choosing it over more current technologies.
>
>> And if we are talking about perfomance lets put the cards right and
>> compares against SQL server CE wich is the substitute for a Access
>> database in .Net
>
> I'm sure you're right. Nevertheless DAO is, in most cases, *much* faster
> when working with Jet than ADO. As John is using an MDB file I would
> strongly recommend he tries DAO as well as ADO as, in my experience, it
> may make the difference between a usable and unusable system.
>
> Ed Metcalfe.

I have done some comparisations in the past and posted the results in these
newsgroups , ( i was once a sceptic to ) between DAO interop , legacy
ADO interop and ADO.Net and indeed DAO is much faster untill you do
subsequent requests on the same result sets, the caching mechanism of ADO
then kicks in however the overall winner is DAO .

However as a VS developer you have the option to ditch ACCESS completely as
a storage engine , and use native .Net technology and if you take the
lowest version of the native SQL engine ( the everywhere edition a.k. SQL
CE ) the cards are shufled in a different way . And you get a lot of extra
advantages
to call a few deployability ( xcopy deployment ) , Scalability ( to express
or higher depending the needs )

There was only one thing that holded me with ACCESS in the past as a storge
db in my VS projects , and this was the security of our data , in the
company i worked for at that moment we owned the data that was distributed
to the end users , so we had to lock the database file this was only
possible with ACCESS at that moment with a custom workgroup file . However
with SQL server everywhere edition you can protect your data in a simular
way so i cannot inmagine why a developer would want to use a ACCESS
database for storage of his data in a VS project .

But i am always openminded and eager to learn so maybe he can surprise me
with a good reasson ,,, and did i not provide him with the code he needed to
open the db with DAO in VB.Net ? . Although i would not recomend it to
use ACCESS this way ( or even at all as a storage db in a VS.Net project )
that wasn`t his question :-) .

I just wanted to point out the more elegant solutions for data storage that
are availlable right now for VS.Net developers

I enjoyed this discussion , nice thingy from these multi group postings is
that you encounter people with a totally different view of things, and you
might learn something new .

regards

Michel Posseth







Arvin Meyer [MVP]

2/3/2008 7:48:00 PM

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"Ed Metcalfe" <edmetcalfe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e%23GPQ0oZIHA.220@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
> "Arvin Meyer [MVP]" <a@m.com> wrote in message
> news:O7FMCqoZIHA.4196@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> At our last MVP Summit in Seattle, we were specifically told by Microsoft
>> that DAO is the preferred method of dealing with JET and SQL-Server
>> databases from Access front-ends, reversing decisions made ssome time
>> ago.
>>
>> ADO is obsolete, having been replaced by ADO.NET.

>
> Is this information published on the Microsoft website anywhere? The most
> recent article I could find was this:
>
> http://support.microsoft.com...

As you can see, that article hasn't been updated in over 4 years. There may
be some info on the Access Team blog:

http://blogs.msdn.c...

I did a cursory search using DAO vs ADO and found:

http://blogs.msdn.c...search.aspx?q=DAO+vs+ADO&p=1

which seems to mention several postings by the MS-Access PMs on using DAO in
Access 2007. Sorry I did not do further research, but you're welcome to.
--
Arvin Meyer, MCP, MVP
http://www.dat...
http://www.mvps....
http://www.acc...


Arvin Meyer [MVP]

2/3/2008 8:03:00 PM

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Actually, you are missing quite a lot. Yes this is definitely from the
perspective of an Access developer. You must realize that the question
concerned an Access, or more accurately a JET database. JET, has always been
the default engine for Access since version 2.0. Access can however use any
other DBMS that has connectivity, including all Microsoft engines, and many,
if not most, non-Microsoft engines. .NET is not an engine, rather it is a
code base which is not as yet be fully integrated with other, especially
older, technologies, but usually is can use those technologies. COM is one
example, DAO, another.

Contrary to your supposition, Microsoft has upgraded the JET engine with the
release of Access 2007, and is currently upgrading it for the next release.
More, I cannot say because of NDA restrictions.

I will not discuss whether or not to use Access as a front-end, or JET as a
back-end because we both have certain prejudices. I will say, that more
Access databases are in existence than all other databases combined, and it
has been that way for 15 years. I don't argue with that kind of success, I
benefit from it.
--
Arvin Meyer, MCP, MVP
http://www.dat...
http://www.mvps....
http://www.acc...

"Michel Posseth [MCP]" <MSDN@posseth.com> wrote in message
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>
>> At our last MVP Summit in Seattle, we were specifically told by Microsoft
>> that DAO is the preferred method of dealing with JET and SQL-Server
>> databases from Access front-ends, reversing decisions made ssome time
>> ago.
>>
>> ADO is obsolete, having been replaced by ADO.NET.
>
> Seen from the perspective of an ACCESS developer i can inmagine this
> decission as DAO is superior in perfomance
>
> However this topic is about a VB.Net developer interacting with a ACCESS
> database , and from that point seen i can not find a valid reasson to use
> Access at all as a database with anny engine wether it is DAO or ADO.Net
>
>
> This is confusing me :
>
>> The design structure of Access for dealing with databases is so complete
>> and therefore complex, that I believe that there haven't been any .NET
>> efforts made to work with it yet. It may be several years before
>> Microsoft builds any .NET capability into Access. Until then, DAO is the
>> faster and more complete method of dealing with JET data.
>
>
> As far as i know the versions of Access starting from 2003 use the MSDE
> engine or SQL express
> so i see Microsoft never upgrade these engines to .Net as there are
> already sql 2005 engines out there wich already support the .Net framework
> and languages
> I guess time will fase out the Jet engine .........
>
>
> Or am i missing something here ?
>
>
> Michel
>
>
>
> "Arvin Meyer [MVP]" <a@m.com> schreef in bericht
> news:O7FMCqoZIHA.4196@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> "Michel Posseth [MCP]" <MSDN@posseth.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23dhY5TmZIHA.4180@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms8...
>>> scroll to the bottom to see that DAO is officially declared Obsolete
>>> ( a long time ago )
>>> note: that this paper was released the first time in January 2002 but
>>> it was known to the programming comunity long time before that
>>
>> At our last MVP Summit in Seattle, we were specifically told by Microsoft
>> that DAO is the preferred method of dealing with JET and SQL-Server
>> databases from Access front-ends, reversing decisions made ssome time
>> ago.
>>
>> ADO is obsolete, having been replaced by ADO.NET.
>>
>> The design structure of Access for dealing with databases is so complete
>> and therefore complex, that I believe that there haven't been any .NET
>> efforts made to work with it yet. It may be several years before
>> Microsoft builds any .NET capability into Access. Until then, DAO is the
>> faster and more complete method of dealing with JET data.
>> --
>> Arvin Meyer, MCP, MVP
>> http://www.dat...
>> http://www.mvps....
>> http://www.acc...
>>
>>
>
>


Arvin Meyer [MVP]

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"Michel Posseth [MCP]" <MSDN@posseth.com> wrote in message
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> Here comes our difference in perspective ,
>
> You talk as a ACCESS developer , a person who writes solutions completely
> in ACCESS , throws in some Access forms and or VBA
>
> I see it from the perspective of a software developer , i just use a DB as
> a storage

That, is a huge difference. I can't speak for Ed, but I can tell you that
all I do is write database solutions. Access is not my only tool, but I must
say, that it is uniquely appropriate for database application construction,
if one is building those applications to run on a workstation.

I've been developing databases since 1981, and Access databases since 1992.
I've made living developing databases since 1994. I've been an MVP in Access
since 2000, and also some security related technologies, holding dual MVP
status for 1 year (that's no longer possible).

JET, is definitely not appropriate for all uses. Neither is any database
engine. I do prefer Microsoft engines though, because of the really great
support that Microsoft gives its developer community. That does not mean
that I don't use other technologies, but it does mean that if I'm busy. I'll
sooner turn down jobs that don't use technologies that I can't give my
clients what I feel is the best value for their money. For instance, I refer
all jobs where the Internet may offer a better alternative than the LAN to
other developers. Most of my work is not enterprise wide, although I do lots
of work for government and Fortune 500 clients. For enterprise wide
solutions, Access in not suited for any but the most lightly used
applications. Most of the enterprise apps I see use VB, Java, or .NET
solutions which are not particularly interesting to me because they require
larger teams to build successfully.
--
Arvin Meyer, MCP, MVP
http://www.dat...
http://www.mvps....
http://www.acc...