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yomur

1/21/2014 10:07:00 AM

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34 Answers

Cor Ligthert [MVP]

1/20/2008 5:53:00 PM

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John,

Then I would just create a simple SQL command with

"Select * from MyTable"

Execute that with an executescalar and when I get an error then I know that
the table does not exist.

Cor

Miha Markic

1/20/2008 6:38:00 PM

0

No, that's an improper and silly way to check for a table existence.
What exception will you get? Will it be due to the lack of table existance
or due to some other error?
And don't forget that exceptions are for exceptional situations, not for
known situations: in your case, table might or might not exist. And if it
doesn't then this isn't an exception.
The proper way is to use GetSchema method - as (O)enone suggested and if
available or execute a DDL statement - almost each database will let you
query for a table using some sort of query statement.

--
Miha Markic [MVP C#, INETA Country Leader for Slovenia]
RightHand .NET consulting & development www.rthand.com
Blog: http://cs.rthand.com/blogs/blog_with_...


"kimiraikkonen" <kimiraikkonen85@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3a1374ba-a2c7-475c-8cd9-db480f7418a5@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 20, 7:53 pm, "Cor Ligthert[MVP]" <notmyfirstn...@planet.nl>
wrote:
> John,
>
> Then I would just create a simple SQL command with
>
> "Select * from MyTable"
>
> Execute that with an executescalar and when I get an error then I know
> that
> the table does not exist.
>
> Cor

Cor's tip is the most basic and comprehensive one. When you call
something from a non-existed database, an error will occur and you
won't be able to access then you can use try-catch or kinda things to
display a custom error message.

Cor Ligthert [MVP]

1/21/2008 5:56:00 AM

0

Miha,

There is no question what error you will get, there can only be one error on
this, the table does not exist.
(It can be as well a connection problem or a complete absence of the
database, however then you don"t get a schema either)

Cor

Miha Markic

1/21/2008 9:19:00 AM

0


"Cor Ligthert[MVP]" <notmyfirstname@planet.nl> wrote in message
news:607DDEE3-2F55-429C-A518-82430757149C@microsoft.com...
> Miha,
>
> There is no question what error you will get, there can only be one error
> on this, the table does not exist.
> (It can be as well a connection problem or a complete absence of the
> database, however then you don"t get a schema either)

Yes, but how do you tell if the table exists or not? Was it a connection
problem? Was there a timeout? Or is just table missing?
There is also a performance hit doing it that way.
If you do it properly, you get a true/false or an exception telling you that
query failed.
--
Miha Markic [MVP C#, INETA Country Leader for Slovenia]
RightHand .NET consulting & development www.rthand.com
Blog: http://cs.rthand.com/blogs/blog_with_...

Miha Markic

1/21/2008 9:20:00 AM

0

Care to explain?

--
Miha Markic [MVP C#, INETA Country Leader for Slovenia]
RightHand .NET consulting & development www.rthand.com
Blog: http://cs.rthand.com/blogs/blog_with_...

"Guru" <running@interference.nit> wrote in message
news:%23dziuY$WIHA.4532@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> "Miha Markic" <miha at rthand com> wrote in message
> news:OLNIYO5WIHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
>> And don't forget that exceptions are for exceptional situations, not for
>> known situations
>
> This statement is false.
>
>
>

(Herfried K. Wagner [MVP])

1/21/2008 9:31:00 AM

0

"Miha Markic" <miha at rthand com> schrieb:
>>> And don't forget that exceptions are for exceptional situations, not for
>>> known situations
>>
>> This statement is false.
>
> Care to explain?

Guru seems to be a troll. However, he is not completely wrong. Even
exceptions are very often for known situations. Imagine a connection to a
database which often (90 %) cannot be established due to a bad network
connection. In this situation you would set up an exception handler because
I know the problem at design time:

\\Try
<Attempt to connect>
Catch ex As ...
...
End Try
///

--
M S Herfried K. Wagner
M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvp...
V B <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/dotnet...

Guru

1/21/2008 9:33:00 AM

0

"Miha Markic" <miha at rthand com> wrote in message
news:%23ZPYH7AXIHA.4684@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Care to explain?

See: news:Ox58sW9WIHA.2000@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl

A not exceptional situation that is fully known and epected to occur in the
scenario given.

And also see: news:uve0XH%23WIHA.4808@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl

"...you are utterly oblivious to the concept of using Try/Catch as a
versatile, robust, and flexible programming tool that has grand purposes
well beyond merely trapping the woe-begotten side-effects of your miserably
inept coding style..."
news:u2UVUT$WIHA.4740@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl

Care to dispute?

> Miha Markic [MVP C#, INETA Country Leader for Slovenia]
> RightHand .NET consulting & development www.rthand.com
> Blog: http://cs.rthand.com/blogs/blog_with_...
>
> "Guru" <running@interference.nit> wrote in message
> news:%23dziuY$WIHA.4532@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> "Miha Markic" <miha at rthand com> wrote in message
>> news:OLNIYO5WIHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>
>>> And don't forget that exceptions are for exceptional situations, not for
>>> known situations
>>
>> This statement is false.
>>
>>
>>
>


Guru

1/21/2008 9:37:00 AM

0

"Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]" <hirf-spam-me-here@gmx.at> wrote in message
news:%23Q0MUBBXIHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> "Miha Markic" <miha at rthand com> schrieb:
>>>> And don't forget that exceptions are for exceptional situations, not
>>>> for known situations
>>>
>>> This statement is false.
>>
>> Care to explain?
>
> Guru seems to be a troll.

You are not completely wrong.

> However, he is not completely wrong.

I am completely right.


Miha Markic

1/21/2008 10:05:00 AM

0

Sure, but that's an exception :-)
I mean, you can't test whether the command will execute properly due to
parameters out of your control. Although you know that connection might
drop, you can't know in advance. You are assuming there is a valid
connection which won't fail.
That's why there are exceptions.
BTW, now that I think of, in normal flow exceptions might come handy in
recursions.
--
Miha Markic [MVP C#, INETA Country Leader for Slovenia]
RightHand .NET consulting & development www.rthand.com
Blog: http://cs.rthand.com/blogs/blog_with_...

"Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]" <hirf-spam-me-here@gmx.at> wrote in message
news:%23Q0MUBBXIHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> "Miha Markic" <miha at rthand com> schrieb:
>>>> And don't forget that exceptions are for exceptional situations, not
>>>> for known situations
>>>
>>> This statement is false.
>>
>> Care to explain?
>
> Guru seems to be a troll. However, he is not completely wrong. Even
> exceptions are very often for known situations. Imagine a connection to a
> database which often (90 %) cannot be established due to a bad network
> connection. In this situation you would set up an exception handler
> because I know the problem at design time:
>
> \\> Try
> <Attempt to connect>
> Catch ex As ...
> ...
> End Try
> ///
>
> --
> M S Herfried K. Wagner
> M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvp...
> V B <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/dotnet...

Guru

1/21/2008 10:42:00 AM

0

"Miha Markic" <miha at rthand com> wrote in message
news:ulAswSBXIHA.4828@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
> "Guru" <running@interference.nit> wrote in message
> news:egn3jCBXIHA.280@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> "Miha Markic" <miha at rthand com> wrote in message
>> news:%23ZPYH7AXIHA.4684@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>>> Care to explain?
>>
>> See: news:Ox58sW9WIHA.2000@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl
>>
>> A not exceptional situation that is fully known and epected to occur in
>> the scenario given.
>
> You should simply test for the length of Item.SomeProperty beforehand

You can't read code, can you?

> nLen = PerformSomeReallyWeirdCalculation(Item.SomeProperty)

How do you predict the value of nLen from the value of
Item.SomeProperty.Length?

> - it is way cheaper than using try/catch.

Booleshift. A single equality comparison consumes a minimum of two CPU
cycles. In the 200,000 object scenario given, your lazy, unthinking approach
would add at least 400,000 CPU cycles to the processing time merely for the
purposes of an off chance intercept of an invalid value in data that you
have no control over.

I really do hope you are not employed as a programmer anywhere. A Try/Catch
is logically equivalent to a single If/Then statement... If
SomethingGoesWrong Then Go There... Prove that a single Try/Catch is more
expensive than 400,000 potentially unnecessary equality comparisons.

> The only situation when exceptions might come handy are recursions.

LMAO - what is so special about the act of recursion that it might be
conducive to using Try/Catch blocks? Or do you merely hope that I will
unquestioningly accept your idiotic assertions?

And if you try to answer the former question, I strongly recommend you
inspect your answer for extreme stupidity involving any of your attrocious
programming practices before posting it.

Dim sw As New Stopwatch
Dim nCount As Integer

sw.Start()
For nZ As Integer = 1 To 2000000
If nZ = -1 Then
Exit For
Else
nCount += 1
End If
Next
sw.Stop()

Console.WriteLine(sw.ElapsedMilliseconds)

sw.Reset()

sw.Start()
Try
For nz As Integer = 1 To 2000000
nCount += 1
Next
Catch ex As Exception
Stop
End Try
sw.Stop()

Console.WriteLine(sw.ElapsedMilliseconds)

sw.Reset()
sw.Start()
For nz As Integer = 1 To 2000000
nCount += 1
Next
sw.Stop()
Console.WriteLine(sw.ElapsedMilliseconds)

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Weren't you saying something about Try/Catch being more expensive? Hmmm?

<SNICKER>