Larry Headlund
7/3/2014 7:07:00 PM
On Thursday, July 3, 2014 12:18:43 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Jul 2014 08:07:47 -0700 (PDT), Larry Headlund
> >On Thursday, July 3, 2014 10:37:54 AM UTC-4, SolomonW wrote:
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> >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2014 14:35:09 -0400, Allen W. McDonnell wrote:
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> >> > Correctly or not the American military saw the invasion of France
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> >> > as being practical for 1943 despite the German U-Boot threat.
> >> It should be pointed out here that the British military which was more
> >> experienced felt it was not.
> >How experienced was any military in amphibious invasions against hostile forces in 1943? Recent experience only.
> >British: Norway 1940 was not against hostile forces.
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> >British and US: Torch in 1942, Sicily was in mid-1943
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> >US: Pacific island assaults.
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> >Germany: Crete was an airborne assault, Norway
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> >Japan: Hong Kong, Singapore, Indonesia.
> >I would say a 1943 continental amphibious invasion would be a risky venture but no one really had the experience to know.
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> The major stopper was the Dieppe Raid in August 1942 where all the
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> armour bogged down on the pebble beach due to jammed tracks, fire
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> support was inadequate and radio security was dreadful and the Germans
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> To counter all this a series of specialised armoured vehicles were
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> developed and fire support systems were built. Things like the
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> 'Hobart's Funnies', the devastating Landing Ship (Rocket) and the
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> training of destroyer crews for close in fire support.
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> Also a huge deception plan (Operation BODYGUARD) was started.
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> All these developments were underway but incomplete in before the
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> middle of 1943.
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> PLUTO was operational but MULLBERRY wasn't and the OVERLORD planners
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> knew they couldn't capture a port in the first six weeks.
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> If you invade Europe in 1943 you do it without armour, without a port
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> and without massive fire support...
Don't know how I forgot to mention Dieppe. Of course, there was some minor US Army and mostly Canadian troops involved so the experience should of been shared all around.