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8/18/2013 6:40:00 AM

"Keith W" <keithnospoofsplease@demon.co.uk> wrote:

>Joel Edge wrote:
>> Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Ecuador has dropped a plan to preserve swaths of the Amazon
>>> rainforest from oil drilling by having wealthy countries pay them
>>> not to drill. In a speech Thursday, President Rafael Correa said
>>> the plan to save parts of Yasuni National Park had raised only a
>>> fraction of the money sought. "The world has failed us," he said.
>>> Nearly half of oil produced by Ecuador goes to the United States.
>>> http://www.democra...
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> So kind of like the old Blazing Saddles threat.
>> http://yhoo....
>> 'Pay us or we'll drill. We are serious. Not kidding, we'll drill in
>> this rainforest'.
>
>Actually drilling could be the best way to preserve it. The
>percentage of land area used is small and once the wells
>have been drilled there need be little impact. A 1% tax
>on profits would be more than adequate to pay for an
>efficient preservation authority to protect the park against
>the unrestricted slash and burn agriculture that is the real
>threat especially with the absurd 'green' biofuel policy.
>
>That is the biggest threat to the asiatic rainforests which are
>being clear cut to grow oil palms.

Supplement birth control with death control &
everything will be fine.

jonathan

8/18/2013 9:02:00 AM


"Keith W" <keithnospoofsplease@demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:BkMPt.80062$dI6.41695@fx32.fr7...
> Joel Edge wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 16:40:23 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
>> (in article <y_ednVf5ppWwE5PPnZ2dnUVZ_qSdnZ2d@supernews.com>):
>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Ecuador has dropped a plan to preserve swaths of the Amazon
>>> rainforest from oil drilling by having wealthy countries pay them
>>> not to drill. In a speech Thursday, President Rafael Correa said
>>> the plan to save parts of Yasuni National Park had raised only a
>>> fraction of the money sought. "The world has failed us," he said.
>>> Nearly half of oil produced by Ecuador goes to the United States.
>>> http://www.democra...
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> posted as a favor to Jack L.
>>> ;-)
>>
>> So kind of like the old Blazing Saddles threat.
>> http://yhoo....
>>
>> 'Pay us or we'll drill. We are serious. Not kidding, we'll drill in
>> this rainforest'.
>
> Actually drilling could be the best way to preserve it. The
> percentage of land area used is small and once the wells
> have been drilled there need be little impact. A 1% tax
> on profits would be more than adequate to pay for an
> efficient preservation authority to protect the park against
> the unrestricted slash and burn agriculture that is the real
> threat especially with the absurd 'green' biofuel policy.
>
> That is the biggest threat to the asiatic rainforests which are
> being clear cut to grow oil palms.


And Correa has a point that poverty can be a much
larger threat to the environment. But from what I've
read he has plenty of domestic opposition to drilling.



s






>
> Keith
>


Keith W

8/18/2013 10:42:00 AM

jonathan wrote:
> "Keith W" <keithnospoofsplease@demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:BkMPt.80062$dI6.41695@fx32.fr7...
>> Joel Edge wrote:
>>> On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 16:40:23 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
>>> (in article <y_ednVf5ppWwE5PPnZ2dnUVZ_qSdnZ2d@supernews.com>):
>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Ecuador has dropped a plan to preserve swaths of the Amazon
>>>> rainforest from oil drilling by having wealthy countries pay them
>>>> not to drill. In a speech Thursday, President Rafael Correa said
>>>> the plan to save parts of Yasuni National Park had raised only a
>>>> fraction of the money sought. "The world has failed us," he said.
>>>> Nearly half of oil produced by Ecuador goes to the United States.
>>>> http://www.democra...
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> posted as a favor to Jack L.
>>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> So kind of like the old Blazing Saddles threat.
>>> http://yhoo....
>>>
>>> 'Pay us or we'll drill. We are serious. Not kidding, we'll drill in
>>> this rainforest'.
>>
>> Actually drilling could be the best way to preserve it. The
>> percentage of land area used is small and once the wells
>> have been drilled there need be little impact. A 1% tax
>> on profits would be more than adequate to pay for an
>> efficient preservation authority to protect the park against
>> the unrestricted slash and burn agriculture that is the real
>> threat especially with the absurd 'green' biofuel policy.
>>
>> That is the biggest threat to the asiatic rainforests which are
>> being clear cut to grow oil palms.
>
>
> And Correa has a point that poverty can be a much
> larger threat to the environment. But from what I've
> read he has plenty of domestic opposition to drilling.
>

Poverty is of course best attacked by having income
which oil exploration can bring and domestic opposition
is rather effectively silenced as prosperity increases.

Correa unfortunately presides over a government that refused
to pay its debts both internal and international despite
having the money to do so.

from Wikipedia

<Quote>
On 12 December 2008, president Correa announced that Ecuador would not pay
$30.6 million in interest to lenders of a $510-million loan, claiming that
they were monsters.In addition, it claimed that $3.8 billion in foreign debt
negotiated by previous administrations was illegitimate because it was
authorised without executive decree.At the time of the announcement, the
country had $5.65 billion in cash reserves.
</Quote>

In those circumstances he can hardly expect the world to provide
cash for his pet projects.

Keith


dott.Piergiorgio

8/18/2013 11:11:00 AM

Il 18/08/2013 12:42, Keith W ha scritto:

>>>> 'Pay us or we'll drill. We are serious. Not kidding, we'll drill in
>>>> this rainforest'.
>>>
>>> Actually drilling could be the best way to preserve it. The
>>> percentage of land area used is small and once the wells
>>> have been drilled there need be little impact. A 1% tax
>>> on profits would be more than adequate to pay for an
>>> efficient preservation authority to protect the park against
>>> the unrestricted slash and burn agriculture that is the real
>>> threat especially with the absurd 'green' biofuel policy.
>>>
>>> That is the biggest threat to the asiatic rainforests which are
>>> being clear cut to grow oil palms.
>>
>>
>> And Correa has a point that poverty can be a much
>> larger threat to the environment. But from what I've
>> read he has plenty of domestic opposition to drilling.
>>
>
> Poverty is of course best attacked by having income
> which oil exploration can bring and domestic opposition
> is rather effectively silenced as prosperity increases.
>
> Correa unfortunately presides over a government that refused
> to pay its debts both internal and international despite
> having the money to do so.
>
> from Wikipedia
>
> <Quote>
> On 12 December 2008, president Correa announced that Ecuador would not pay
> $30.6 million in interest to lenders of a $510-million loan, claiming that
> they were monsters.In addition, it claimed that $3.8 billion in foreign debt
> negotiated by previous administrations was illegitimate because it was
> authorised without executive decree.At the time of the announcement, the
> country had $5.65 billion in cash reserves.
> </Quote>
>
> In those circumstances he can hardly expect the world to provide
> cash for his pet projects.

Depend on the oil company... and there's not only the so-called "seven
sisters"... being PO'd because of the snowden incident, I suspect ends
signing a contract with gazprom, whose, even with unprofitable fields,
will glee at the entry in one of the major US economic/commercial
turfs... and I suspect that overpaying the taxation, also in nature,
will help Correa in both economy and consensus (public works, subsided
automotive petrol...); in other words, nothing new under the sun.

Bestt regards from Italy,
dott. Piergiorgio.


Keith W

8/18/2013 12:03:00 PM

dott.Piergiorgio wrote:
> Il 18/08/2013 12:42, Keith W ha scritto:
>
>>>>> 'Pay us or we'll drill. We are serious. Not kidding, we'll drill
>>>>> in this rainforest'.
>>>>
>>>> Actually drilling could be the best way to preserve it. The
>>>> percentage of land area used is small and once the wells
>>>> have been drilled there need be little impact. A 1% tax
>>>> on profits would be more than adequate to pay for an
>>>> efficient preservation authority to protect the park against
>>>> the unrestricted slash and burn agriculture that is the real
>>>> threat especially with the absurd 'green' biofuel policy.
>>>>
>>>> That is the biggest threat to the asiatic rainforests which are
>>>> being clear cut to grow oil palms.
>>>
>>>
>>> And Correa has a point that poverty can be a much
>>> larger threat to the environment. But from what I've
>>> read he has plenty of domestic opposition to drilling.
>>>
>>
>> Poverty is of course best attacked by having income
>> which oil exploration can bring and domestic opposition
>> is rather effectively silenced as prosperity increases.
>>
>> Correa unfortunately presides over a government that refused
>> to pay its debts both internal and international despite
>> having the money to do so.
>>
>> from Wikipedia
>>
>> <Quote>
>> On 12 December 2008, president Correa announced that Ecuador would
>> not pay $30.6 million in interest to lenders of a $510-million loan,
>> claiming that they were monsters.In addition, it claimed that $3.8
>> billion in foreign debt negotiated by previous administrations was
>> illegitimate because it was authorised without executive decree.At
>> the time of the announcement, the country had $5.65 billion in cash
>> reserves. </Quote>
>>
>> In those circumstances he can hardly expect the world to provide
>> cash for his pet projects.
>
> Depend on the oil company... and there's not only the so-called "seven
> sisters"... being PO'd because of the snowden incident, I suspect ends
> signing a contract with gazprom, whose, even with unprofitable fields,
> will glee at the entry in one of the major US economic/commercial
> turfs... and I suspect that overpaying the taxation, also in nature,
> will help Correa in both economy and consensus (public works, subsided
> automotive petrol...); in other words, nothing new under the sun.
>

Given that the major oil company in the game is the state owned
Petro Ecuador and their main customer is the USA I doubt Gazprom
will get a look in. Interestingly of course the 'currency of transaction'
in Ecuador is - the US Dollar.

Keith



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