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Storing additional data in report definition files

hcurrie

9/19/2008 9:06:00 AM

VS2008
I am displaying various reports using the ReportViewer control in a Windows
Forms application.
The user can choose from a number of different reports by selecting an rdlc
file to load into the ReportViewer.
For some reports I need some additional information to be available to my
application.
At the moment this data simply consists of a list of named items, the value
of each item is an integer (or an enum).
I could create my own new file format which included everything in the rdlc
file and my extra data, but I wondered if there might be a way to actually
store this data within the rdlc file.
I can easily extract data from an rdlc file in my code, as it is an XML
file, but I would like a nice simple way to allow my colleagues who will be
designing the individual reports to add this data.
I was wondering whether this could be done using a custom report item?
People could then add this information in the report designer.
I have started reading about this, but all the articles refer to SSRS which
I am not using. Before I spend too much time learning all this stuff can
someone please confirm that I can still user CRIs with the ReportViewer
control? Alternatively, can anyone suggest a better approach to acheive
this?

TIA
Phil.


9 Answers

Jialiang Ge [MSFT]

9/22/2008 10:40:00 AM

0

Good morning Phil,

In order to add custom data to a rdlc file (without defining our own file
type), I think we have at least two choices:

1. Use some report properties that are originally designed for other usage
to store our custom data.

== Benefits:
There are built-in designer view, so editing these values would be very
easy.

== Problems:
Users may get confused because these fields are not originally designed to
store custom data.

== Example:
For instance, we can store the customer data in the Code property of a
report. You can find its designer view at Report menu -> Report
Properties -> Code tab. This property was originally designed for custom
code:
http://blogs.msdn.com/mosharaf/archive/2005/12/20/LocalReportCusto...
Editing the field generate an XML element <Code> in the rdlc file.

2. Define our own XML element in the rdlc.

== Benefits:
We can define meaningful XML element name.

== Problems:
No designer view support for customer element, and some of the custom
element may be removed after we modify the report in report designer.

== Example:
The XML schema of rdlc is defined at
http://schemas.microsoft.com/sqlserver/reporting/2005/01/reportdefinition/ReportDefi...
The schema determines what/how elements can be put in a rdlc file.

The schema elements
<xsd:any namespace="##other">
are the places where we can have our own XML elements. See:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms2....

Thus, as an example, we first define an xsd with targetNamespace for our own
data, then we reference the namespace in the rdlc file:

Xsd:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<xs:schema xmlns:xs="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSc...
targetNamespace="http://mynamespace">
<xs:element name="CustomData" type="xs:string">
</xs:element>
</xs:schema>

Rdlc:
xmlns:my="http://mynamespace"

<my:CustomData>abc</my:CustomData>

Please let me know if you have any other concerns, or need anything else.

Regards,
Jialiang Ge (jialge@online.microsoft.com, remove 'online.')
Microsoft Online Community Support

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"Phil" <N/A> wrote in message
news:2PKdnTYmcvT59k7VnZ2dnUVZ8vCdnZ2d@posted.plusnet...
> VS2008
> I am displaying various reports using the ReportViewer control in a
> Windows Forms application.
> The user can choose from a number of different reports by selecting an
> rdlc file to load into the ReportViewer.
> For some reports I need some additional information to be available to my
> application.
> At the moment this data simply consists of a list of named items, the
> value of each item is an integer (or an enum).
> I could create my own new file format which included everything in the
> rdlc file and my extra data, but I wondered if there might be a way to
> actually store this data within the rdlc file.
> I can easily extract data from an rdlc file in my code, as it is an XML
> file, but I would like a nice simple way to allow my colleagues who will
> be designing the individual reports to add this data.
> I was wondering whether this could be done using a custom report item?
> People could then add this information in the report designer.
> I have started reading about this, but all the articles refer to SSRS
> which I am not using. Before I spend too much time learning all this stuff
> can someone please confirm that I can still user CRIs with the
> ReportViewer control? Alternatively, can anyone suggest a better approach
> to acheive this?
>
> TIA
> Phil.
>


hcurrie

9/22/2008 1:16:00 PM

0

Thanks for your reply.
I had thought of your idea #1, but as you say it may be a little confusing
for people to use.
Your idea #2 of adding custom XML is good, but again, as you point out this
will not allow use of the report designer.
My idea was similar to #2, but to use a cri (custom report item) instead of
adding the additional XML code. I could have a very simple cri that is
always hidden and just has a couple of properties. I am still not clear
whether or not I can use a cri with a local report file though. The
documentation on this is very poor, and the examples I have tried will not
even compile (I think I am missing some reference assemblies).

"Jialiang Ge [MSFT]" <jialge@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:uujRY%23JHJHA.3504@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Good morning Phil,
>
> In order to add custom data to a rdlc file (without defining our own file
> type), I think we have at least two choices:
>
> 1. Use some report properties that are originally designed for other usage
> to store our custom data.
>
> == Benefits:
> There are built-in designer view, so editing these values would be very
> easy.
>
> == Problems:
> Users may get confused because these fields are not originally designed to
> store custom data.
>
> == Example:
> For instance, we can store the customer data in the Code property of a
> report. You can find its designer view at Report menu -> Report
> Properties -> Code tab. This property was originally designed for custom
> code:
> http://blogs.msdn.com/mosharaf/archive/2005/12/20/LocalReportCusto...
> Editing the field generate an XML element <Code> in the rdlc file.
>
> 2. Define our own XML element in the rdlc.
>
> == Benefits:
> We can define meaningful XML element name.
>
> == Problems:
> No designer view support for customer element, and some of the custom
> element may be removed after we modify the report in report designer.
>
> == Example:
> The XML schema of rdlc is defined at
> http://schemas.microsoft.com/sqlserver/reporting/2005/01/reportdefinition/ReportDefi...
> The schema determines what/how elements can be put in a rdlc file.
>
> The schema elements
> <xsd:any namespace="##other">
> are the places where we can have our own XML elements. See:
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms2....
>
> Thus, as an example, we first define an xsd with targetNamespace for our
> own data, then we reference the namespace in the rdlc file:
>
> Xsd:
> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
> <xs:schema xmlns:xs="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSc...
> targetNamespace="http://mynamespace">
> <xs:element name="CustomData" type="xs:string">
> </xs:element>
> </xs:schema>
>
> Rdlc:
> xmlns:my="http://mynamespace"
>
> <my:CustomData>abc</my:CustomData>
>
> Please let me know if you have any other concerns, or need anything else.
>
> Regards,
> Jialiang Ge (jialge@online.microsoft.com, remove 'online.')
> Microsoft Online Community Support
>
> Delighting our customers is our #1 priority. We welcome your comments and
> suggestions about how we can improve the support we provide to you. Please
> feel free to let my manager know what you think of the level of service
> provided. You can send feedback directly to my manager at:
> msdnmg@microsoft.com.
>
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> most efficient resolution. The offering is not appropriate for situations
> that require urgent, real-time or phone-based interactions or complex
> project analysis and dump analysis issues. Issues of this nature are best
> handled working with a dedicated Microsoft Support Engineer by contacting
> Microsoft Customer Support Services (CSS) at
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> ==================================================
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> rights.
>
>
> "Phil" <N/A> wrote in message
> news:2PKdnTYmcvT59k7VnZ2dnUVZ8vCdnZ2d@posted.plusnet...
>> VS2008
>> I am displaying various reports using the ReportViewer control in a
>> Windows Forms application.
>> The user can choose from a number of different reports by selecting an
>> rdlc file to load into the ReportViewer.
>> For some reports I need some additional information to be available to my
>> application.
>> At the moment this data simply consists of a list of named items, the
>> value of each item is an integer (or an enum).
>> I could create my own new file format which included everything in the
>> rdlc file and my extra data, but I wondered if there might be a way to
>> actually store this data within the rdlc file.
>> I can easily extract data from an rdlc file in my code, as it is an XML
>> file, but I would like a nice simple way to allow my colleagues who will
>> be designing the individual reports to add this data.
>> I was wondering whether this could be done using a custom report item?
>> People could then add this information in the report designer.
>> I have started reading about this, but all the articles refer to SSRS
>> which I am not using. Before I spend too much time learning all this
>> stuff can someone please confirm that I can still user CRIs with the
>> ReportViewer control? Alternatively, can anyone suggest a better approach
>> to acheive this?
>>
>> TIA
>> Phil.
>>
>
>


Jialiang Ge [MSFT]

9/23/2008 9:01:00 AM

0

Hello Phil,

CRI (Custom Report Item) is for SQL Server Report Service.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms3...
It does not work for our local report, the rdlc file.

Regards,
Jialiang Ge (jialge@online.microsoft.com, remove 'online.')
Microsoft Online Community Support

=================================================
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suggestions about how we can improve the support we provide to you. Please
feel free to let my manager know what you think of the level of service
provided. You can send feedback directly to my manager at:
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This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
=================================================

"Phil" <N/A> wrote in message
news:VfCdnb5K8_4EB0rVnZ2dnUVZ8tHinZ2d@posted.plusnet...
> Thanks for your reply.
> I had thought of your idea #1, but as you say it may be a little confusing
> for people to use.
> Your idea #2 of adding custom XML is good, but again, as you point out
> this will not allow use of the report designer.
> My idea was similar to #2, but to use a cri (custom report item) instead
> of adding the additional XML code. I could have a very simple cri that is
> always hidden and just has a couple of properties. I am still not clear
> whether or not I can use a cri with a local report file though. The
> documentation on this is very poor, and the examples I have tried will not
> even compile (I think I am missing some reference assemblies).
>
> "Jialiang Ge [MSFT]" <jialge@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:uujRY%23JHJHA.3504@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Good morning Phil,
>>
>> In order to add custom data to a rdlc file (without defining our own file
>> type), I think we have at least two choices:
>>
>> 1. Use some report properties that are originally designed for other
>> usage to store our custom data.
>>
>> == Benefits:
>> There are built-in designer view, so editing these values would be very
>> easy.
>>
>> == Problems:
>> Users may get confused because these fields are not originally designed
>> to store custom data.
>>
>> == Example:
>> For instance, we can store the customer data in the Code property of a
>> report. You can find its designer view at Report menu -> Report
>> Properties -> Code tab. This property was originally designed for custom
>> code:
>> http://blogs.msdn.com/mosharaf/archive/2005/12/20/LocalReportCusto...
>> Editing the field generate an XML element <Code> in the rdlc file.
>>
>> 2. Define our own XML element in the rdlc.
>>
>> == Benefits:
>> We can define meaningful XML element name.
>>
>> == Problems:
>> No designer view support for customer element, and some of the custom
>> element may be removed after we modify the report in report designer.
>>
>> == Example:
>> The XML schema of rdlc is defined at
>> http://schemas.microsoft.com/sqlserver/reporting/2005/01/reportdefinition/ReportDefi...
>> The schema determines what/how elements can be put in a rdlc file.
>>
>> The schema elements
>> <xsd:any namespace="##other">
>> are the places where we can have our own XML elements. See:
>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms2....
>>
>> Thus, as an example, we first define an xsd with targetNamespace for our
>> own data, then we reference the namespace in the rdlc file:
>>
>> Xsd:
>> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
>> <xs:schema xmlns:xs="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSc...
>> targetNamespace="http://mynamespace">
>> <xs:element name="CustomData" type="xs:string">
>> </xs:element>
>> </xs:schema>
>>
>> Rdlc:
>> xmlns:my="http://mynamespace"
>>
>> <my:CustomData>abc</my:CustomData>
>>
>> Please let me know if you have any other concerns, or need anything else.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jialiang Ge (jialge@online.microsoft.com, remove 'online.')
>> Microsoft Online Community Support
>>
>> Delighting our customers is our #1 priority. We welcome your comments and
>> suggestions about how we can improve the support we provide to you.
>> Please feel free to let my manager know what you think of the level of
>> service provided. You can send feedback directly to my manager at:
>> msdnmg@microsoft.com.
>>
>> ==================================================
>> Get notification to my posts through email? Please refer to
>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/aa948868.aspx#not....
>>
>> Note: The MSDN Managed Newsgroup support offering is for non-urgent
>> issues where an initial response from the community or a Microsoft
>> Support
>> Engineer within 1 business day is acceptable. Please note that each
>> follow up response may take approximately 2 business days as the support
>> professional working with you may need further investigation to reach the
>> most efficient resolution. The offering is not appropriate for situations
>> that require urgent, real-time or phone-based interactions or complex
>> project analysis and dump analysis issues. Issues of this nature are best
>> handled working with a dedicated Microsoft Support Engineer by contacting
>> Microsoft Customer Support Services (CSS) at
>> http://support.microsoft.com/select/default.aspx?target=assistance&am....
>> ==================================================
>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> rights.
>>
>>
>> "Phil" <N/A> wrote in message
>> news:2PKdnTYmcvT59k7VnZ2dnUVZ8vCdnZ2d@posted.plusnet...
>>> VS2008
>>> I am displaying various reports using the ReportViewer control in a
>>> Windows Forms application.
>>> The user can choose from a number of different reports by selecting an
>>> rdlc file to load into the ReportViewer.
>>> For some reports I need some additional information to be available to
>>> my application.
>>> At the moment this data simply consists of a list of named items, the
>>> value of each item is an integer (or an enum).
>>> I could create my own new file format which included everything in the
>>> rdlc file and my extra data, but I wondered if there might be a way to
>>> actually store this data within the rdlc file.
>>> I can easily extract data from an rdlc file in my code, as it is an XML
>>> file, but I would like a nice simple way to allow my colleagues who will
>>> be designing the individual reports to add this data.
>>> I was wondering whether this could be done using a custom report item?
>>> People could then add this information in the report designer.
>>> I have started reading about this, but all the articles refer to SSRS
>>> which I am not using. Before I spend too much time learning all this
>>> stuff can someone please confirm that I can still user CRIs with the
>>> ReportViewer control? Alternatively, can anyone suggest a better
>>> approach to acheive this?
>>>
>>> TIA
>>> Phil.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>


Naked Gonad

11/24/2008 12:49:00 PM

0

Eli Grubman wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:57:49 +0000, Naked Gonad
> <bodron57@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Eli Grubman wrote:
>>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:24:49 +0000, Naked Gonad
>>> <bodron57@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:14:28 +0000, Naked Gonad
>>>>> <bodron57@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:47:25 +0000, Naked Gonad
>>>>>>> <bodron57@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:00:20 +0000, Naked Gonad
>>>>>>>>> <bodron57@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:45:02 -0000, Naked Gonad <bodron57@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:58:51 -0000, Naked Gonad <bodron57@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:39:04 -0000, Naked Gonad <bodron57@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:21:39 -0000, Naked Gonad <bodron57@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, would a bank account that has nothing in it, read 000.00 or would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it magically mean something else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It would read 0 (well maybe ?0.00), there's nothing magical about it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whatever, it still counts as nothing or 0.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you fail to distinguish between an empty glass and no glass?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought we were talking about counting 0 as nothing?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes we were. An empty glass is not nothing. However the reading on beer level is "0".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You've now changed it from counting to objects.
>>>>>>>>>>> Zero is important in both cases. If you're counting anything and miss out zero, going directly from -1 to 1, you've made an error. You could be counting how much money you owe me, which is changing as you give me ?1 coins. Going straight from -1 to +1 would do me out of a quid.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What on earth are you talking about!?
>>>>>>>>>> If I owed you ?5, I would count 1 2 3 4 5, where does 0 come into it?
>>>>>>>>> The 0 is what he'll get back.
>>>>>>>> He'll probably say "that's not the same as nothing".
>>>>>>> Nothing is the same as nothing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Except Peter! - while we have nothing, he'll always have 0....er....erm.
>>>>> There is always room for improvement!
>>>>>
>>>> Two 0's?
>>> Two ho's?
>>>
>> Don't get bitchy!
>
> Meow.
>
Scratch n sniff?

Scott Marquardt

11/29/2008 8:59:00 PM

0

On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:28:50 -0000, Naked Gonad <bodron57@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> Peter Hucker wrote:
>> On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:00:20 -0000, Naked Gonad <bodron57@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:45:02 -0000, Naked Gonad <bodron57@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:58:51 -0000, Naked Gonad <bodron57@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
>>>>>>> I thought we were talking about counting 0 as nothing?
>>>>>> Yes we were. An empty glass is not nothing. However the reading on beer level is "0".
>>>>>>
>>>>> You've now changed it from counting to objects.
>>>> Zero is important in both cases. If you're counting anything and miss out zero, going directly from -1 to 1, you've made an error. You could be counting how much money you owe me, which is changing as you give me ?1 coins. Going straight from -1 to +1 would do me out of a quid.
>>>>
>>> What on earth are you talking about!?
>>> If I owed you ?5, I would count 1 2 3 4 5, where does 0 come into it?
>>
>> It's the crossover between you owing me and me owing you. There is a point where nobody owes anyone anything.
>>
> Then if no-one owes anthing, nothing needs to be counted because there
> is nothing to count, obviously.

you must acknowledge the state of zero debt, or you wouldn't know it ever existed.

--
http://www.petersp... http://www.insanevide... http://www.peters...

A guy goes to a psychiatrist.
"I'm in love with my horse," says the guy. "I desire my horse!"
"I see," says the shrink. "What kind of horse is it? Male or female?"
"Female of course! Do I look like some sort of pervert?"

Scott Marquardt

11/29/2008 8:59:00 PM

0

On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:33:22 -0000, Naked Gonad <bodron57@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> Peter Hucker wrote:
>> On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:30:49 -0000, Eli Grubman <eli.grubman@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:00:20 +0000, Naked Gonad
>>> <bodron57@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:45:02 -0000, Naked Gonad <bodron57@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:58:51 -0000, Naked Gonad <bodron57@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes we were. An empty glass is not nothing. However the reading on beer level is "0".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You've now changed it from counting to objects.
>>>>> Zero is important in both cases. If you're counting anything and miss out zero, going directly from -1 to 1, you've made an error. You could be counting how much money you owe me, which is changing as you give me ?1 coins. Going straight from -1 to +1 would do me out of a quid.
>>>>>
>>>> What on earth are you talking about!?
>>>> If I owed you ?5, I would count 1 2 3 4 5, where does 0 come into it?
>>> The 0 is what he'll get back.
>>
>> Correct, after all Gonad is a Northener.
>>
> Since when has Buckinghamshire been sited in the north?
> What idiot would try to count a single nought?
> Maybe someone who thinks that Buck's is up north!

Oops, Pounder and PMD are North, you are South. I forgot.


--
http://www.petersp... http://www.insanevide... http://www.peters...

A guy goes to a psychiatrist.
"I'm in love with my horse," says the guy. "I desire my horse!"
"I see," says the shrink. "What kind of horse is it? Male or female?"
"Female of course! Do I look like some sort of pervert?"

\"The Honest One\

11/30/2008 3:17:00 AM

0


"Double-A" <double-a2@hush.com> wrote in message
news:53c982d9-2a30-444b-95d4-d1d239b9d785@d32g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 29, 12:58 pm, "Peter Hucker" <n...@spam.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:28:50 -0000, Naked Gonad
<bodro...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> > Peter Hucker wrote:
> >> On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:00:20 -0000, Naked Gonad
<bodro...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >>> Peter Hucker wrote:
> >>>> On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:45:02 -0000, Naked Gonad
<bodro...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
> >>>>>> On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:58:51 -0000, Naked Gonad
<bodro...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
> >>>>>>> I thought we were talking about counting 0 as nothing?
> >>>>>> Yes we were. An empty glass is not nothing. However the reading
on beer level is "0".
>
> >>>>> You've now changed it from counting to objects.
> >>>> Zero is important in both cases. If you're counting anything and
miss out zero, going directly from -1 to 1, you've made an error. You
could be counting how much money you owe me, which is changing as you
give me ?1 coins. Going straight from -1 to +1 would do me out of a
quid.
>
> >>> What on earth are you talking about!?
> >>> If I owed you ?5, I would count 1 2 3 4 5, where does 0 come into
it?
>
> >> It's the crossover between you owing me and me owing you. There is
a point where nobody owes anyone anything.
>
> > Then if no-one owes anthing, nothing needs to be counted because
there
> > is nothing to count, obviously.
>
> you must acknowledge the state of zero debt, or you wouldn't know it
ever existed.
>
> --http://www.petersp... http://www.insanevide...
http://www.peters...
>
> A guy goes to a psychiatrist.
> "I'm in love with my horse," says the guy. "I desire my horse!"
> "I see," says the shrink. "What kind of horse is it? Male or female?"
> "Female of course! Do I look like some sort of pervert?


Are you trying to tell sonething about your relationship with your
horse?

So why don't you just mount up and ride on out of alt.astronomy, and
take your Naked Gonad with you!

Double-A
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

One can't reason with a "Gay-Tard" like Phucker!!

CHJ

p.s. Where's Sir KnightBat?

an old friend

11/30/2008 9:43:00 PM

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On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:44:09 -0000, "Peter Hucker" <none@spam.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 00:37:55 -0000, Double-A <double-a2@hush.com> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 29, 12:58?pm, "Peter Hucker" <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:28:50 -0000, Naked Gonad <bodro...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>> > Peter Hucker wrote:
>>> >> On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:00:20 -0000, Naked Gonad <bodro...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>> Peter Hucker wrote:
>>> >>>> On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:45:02 -0000, Naked Gonad <bodro...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:58:51 -0000, Naked Gonad <bodro...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
>>> >>>>>>> I thought we were talking about counting 0 ?as nothing?
>>> >>>>>> Yes we were. ?An empty glass is not nothing. ?However the reading on beer level is "0".
>>>
>>> >>>>> You've now changed it from counting to objects.
>>> >>>> Zero is important in both cases. ?If you're counting anything and miss out zero, going directly from -1 to 1, you've made an error. ?You could be counting how much money you owe me, which is changing as you give me ?1 coins. ?Going straight from -1 to +1 would do me out of a quid.
>>>
>>> >>> What on earth are you talking about!?
>>> >>> If I owed you ?5, I would count 1 2 3 4 5, where does 0 come into it?
>>>
>>> >> It's the crossover between you owing me and me owing you. ?There is a point where nobody owes anyone anything.
>>>
>>> > Then if no-one owes anthing, nothing needs to be counted because there
>>> > is nothing to count, obviously.
>>>
>>> you must acknowledge the state of zero debt, or you wouldn't know it ever existed.
>>>
>>> --http://www.peterspa... ?http://www.insanevideo... ?http://www.peters...
>>>
>>> A guy goes to a psychiatrist.
>>> "I'm in love with my horse," says the guy. ?"I desire my horse!"
>>> "I see," says the shrink. "What kind of horse is it? Male or female?"
>>> "Female of course! Do I look like some sort of pervert?
>>
>>
>> Are you trying to tell sonething about your relationship with your
>> horse?
>>
>> So why don't you just mount up and ride on out of alt.astronomy, and
>> take your Naked Gonad with you!
>
>He is not my gonad, and it's a fucking tagline you fool.

"one useless man is disgrace 2 become a law firm 3 or more become a congress"
adams

woger you are a Congress all in your own head

http://kb9rqz.bravejo...
altopia is never used by KB9RQZ
nor is Konstans@hotmail.com ever
btw i can be found at
17366 N River Rd
Chassel Mi

but the cowards asking lack the gut to act

\"The Honest One\

11/30/2008 11:01:00 PM

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"Peter Hucker" <none@spam.com> wrote in message
news:op.ulf3nvfd4buhsv@fx62.mshome.net...
> On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 00:37:55 -0000, Double-A <double-a2@hush.com>
wrote:
>
> > On Nov 29, 12:58 pm, "Peter Hucker" <n...@spam.com> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:28:50 -0000, Naked Gonad
<bodro...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> >> > Peter Hucker wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:00:20 -0000, Naked Gonad
<bodro...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> >>> Peter Hucker wrote:
> >> >>>> On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:45:02 -0000, Naked Gonad
<bodro...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> >>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
> >> >>>>>> On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:58:51 -0000, Naked Gonad
<bodro...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> >>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
> >> >>>>>>> I thought we were talking about counting 0 as nothing?
> >> >>>>>> Yes we were. An empty glass is not nothing. However the
reading on beer level is "0".
> >>
> >> >>>>> You've now changed it from counting to objects.
> >> >>>> Zero is important in both cases. If you're counting anything
and miss out zero, going directly from -1 to 1, you've made an error.
You could be counting how much money you owe me, which is changing as
you give me ?1 coins. Going straight from -1 to +1 would do me out of a
quid.
> >>
> >> >>> What on earth are you talking about!?
> >> >>> If I owed you ?5, I would count 1 2 3 4 5, where does 0 come
into it?
> >>
> >> >> It's the crossover between you owing me and me owing you. There
is a point where nobody owes anyone anything.
> >>
> >> > Then if no-one owes anthing, nothing needs to be counted because
there
> >> > is nothing to count, obviously.
> >>
> >> you must acknowledge the state of zero debt, or you wouldn't know
it ever existed.
> >>
> >> --http://www.petersp... http://www.insanevide...
http://www.peters...
> >>
> >> A guy goes to a psychiatrist.
> >> "I'm in love with my horse," says the guy. "I desire my horse!"
> >> "I see," says the shrink. "What kind of horse is it? Male or
female?"
> >> "Female of course! Do I look like some sort of pervert?
> >
> >
> > Are you trying to tell sonething about your relationship with your
> > horse?
> >
> > So why don't you just mount up and ride on out of alt.astronomy, and
> > take your Naked Gonad with you!
>
> He is not my gonad, and it's a fucking fagline you fool.

You said it, Faggot!

HJ