ADR
3/26/2011 12:08:00 AM
On Mar 25, 4:48 pm, Nestor <siro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ADR brought next idea :
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> > On Mar 25, 2:04 pm, Nestor <siro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> gogu wrote on 3/25/2011 :
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> >>> ? "Nestor" <siro...@yahoo.com> ???a?e st? µ???µa
> >>>news:imitte$mm3$1@dont-email.me...
> >>>> gogu explained on 3/25/2011 :
> >>>>> ? "Nestor" <siro...@yahoo.com> ???a?e st? µ???µa
> >>>>>news:imi2mg$66b$1@dont-email.me...
> >>>>>> It happens that Kickboxer ®™ formulated :
> >>>>>> Yesterday I read in a leftist blog an article in the 25th of March,among
> >>>>>> other things he calls the Patriarch hanged by the Turks-tragos.
> >>>>> Well, I do not subscribe to such characterizations (this is where
> >>>>> ADR/Roubini/the Pope excels....) but the truth is that he was the one
> >>>>> to...excommunicate Ipsilantis!...
> >>>>> Certainly this was not enough good to save his life later...
> >>>>> Certainly the role of the majority of the high cleric during the Ottoman
> >>>>> occupation was not the one should be, to put it mildly...
> >>>> What most leftists fail to mention is how society was in Europe between
> >>>> 1453-1821.The Pope in the west was fighting wars against the
> >>>> Protestants,the Protestants killing Catholics, and the Russian church
> >>>> was subvervient to the czars for centuries.The Ottoman empire until 1650
> >>>> was the most feared country in Europe,and probably the most
> >>>> powerfull.Nobody from the West could help the Estern Christians, I am not
> >>>> suprrised at the conduct of the Orthodox High clergy,they are human
> >>>> too,what choice they had,apergia,poria,katalipsi,or obey the sultan.Where
> >>>> was the KKE,PASOK,SYRIZA and others to lead the people?
> >>> LOL
> >>> But serioulsy, as for the choises...I don't know but since many other high
> >>> rank priests did the right think, I suppose those who didn't could do the
> >>> same if they wanted...
> >>> Anyway, xronia polla!
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> >> I listened to these arguments about the clergy over thirty years ago.
> >> The left uses these arguments to turn people against the
> >> church,personally I am not religious, and I don't care what the clergy
> >> did in the last 500 years,to tell you the truth the only reason there
> >> were any christians left in the Ottoman Empire was to pay the "dekadia"
> >> ten percent tax.Even bigger surprize is that the Turks left any Greeks
> >> alive,or sell them to slavery to raise money for their wars.How did we
> >> survive without IKA. I would love to turn the clock back,to 1700,and
> >> watch as Ms Papariga,and Tsipras and the CC of KKE and PASOK tell the
> >> sultan how to run his empire. lol lol lol
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> > Actually, Nestor, we did not survive very well without IKA. Infant
> > mortality was quite high and people were lucky to reach their 30's. A
> > man of about 40 years of age was really old and did not expect to live
> > much longer.
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> > Why did the Turks live any Greeks alive? First and foremost, the
> > Greeks (or more appropriately, the Rhomaioi) did not fight against the
> > Ottomans. Mention any battle that you remember!! In fact, the
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> Battle of Lepanto 1571-they fought on both sides
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> population as a whole, minus the aristocracy and the intellectuals,> was all for the Ottomans. Greeks served in the Ottoman armies and the
> > Ottoman administration. In the countryside, they provided the
> > workforce for the Turkish timariots, or they cultivated marginal land
> > in the mountainous areas or served as traders.
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> > Do you believe that it was the right wing that actually advised the
> > Ottoman sultans? I would not doubt it!!! (LOL)
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> Read the post about Mahi ths Nafpactou or Lepanto 1571-please read
> the whole article.- Hide quoted text -
No need to. I have read many and far more detailed accounts of the
battle of Lepando that would likely be contained in that article